I'm probably in the minority but...

[gamecockcat]

CFB is really starting to look like CBB with all the roster movement. Hard to remember who is on the squad anymore and who projected starters are as that list changes every week seemingly. I know it's the 'new world' but I can't say I'm a big fan. Has been working, for the most part, in UK's favor so I like that. But, this nonstop roster turnover is feeling more and more like CFB's version of OAD.

Does this start hurting the enthusiasm for CFB? I hope not but would not be surprised if so.

 

[MrHotDice]

Nil, constant rooster turnover, only a very few schools will do well. The major powers wont give up their hold on National Championships. The first non legit school that actually beats a Georgia or Bama in the Championship game has a great coach who makes good players better.

 

[JHB4UK]

Transfer portal by itself won't decrease CFB interest. The concentration of the best players at the same 4 to 5 schools every year might. It is bad for the sport when everyone knows the national championship will be Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, Michigan - and no one else has a roster close to beating them. Georgia just got the #1 overall recruit for 2024, a qb. Zero reason whatsoever for a quality QB to chose that place thinking they will develop them into a 1st rounder. The kid's dad played at Nebraska, his uncle coaches there, just a disgusting decision.

There are some glimmers of hope - Eli picking Texas over Bama & Georgia, Kelly is quickly building LSU to a top 5 program, Southern Cal doing good stuff out there, Fl St might be returning to past glories, Penn St might knock down Ohio & Mich.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Transfer portal by itself won't decrease CFB interest. The concentration of the best players at the same 4 to 5 schools every year might. It is bad for the sport when everyone knows the national championship will be Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, Michigan - and no one else has a roster close to beating them. Georgia just got the #1 overall recruit for 2024, a qb. Zero reason whatsoever for a quality QB to chose that place thinking they will develop them into a 1st rounder. The kid's dad played at Nebraska, his uncle coaches there, just a disgusting decision.

There are some glimmers of hope - Eli picking Texas over Bama & Georgia, Kelly is quickly building LSU to a top 5 program, Southern Cal doing good stuff out there, Fl St might be returning to past glories, Penn St might knock down Ohio & Mich.

Geez I hope not. I dislike OSU and Michigan. I hate James Franklin and Penn. St.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

CFB is really starting to look like CBB with all the roster movement. Hard to remember who is on the squad anymore and who projected starters are as that list changes every week seemingly. I know it's the 'new world' but I can't say I'm a big fan. Has been working, for the most part, in UK's favor so I like that. But, this nonstop roster turnover is feeling more and more like CFB's version of OAD.

Does this start hurting the enthusiasm for CFB? I hope not but would not be surprised if so.

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I agree with you, even with UGA taking 4 this year I still don't care for it.

Transfer portal by itself won't decrease CFB interest. The concentration of the best players at the same 4 to 5 schools every year might. It is bad for the sport when everyone knows the national championship will be Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, Michigan - and no one else has a roster close to beating them. Georgia just got the #1 overall recruit for 2024, a qb. Zero reason whatsoever for a quality QB to chose that place thinking they will develop them into a 1st rounder. The kid's dad played at Nebraska, his uncle coaches there, just a disgusting decision.

There are some glimmers of hope - Eli picking Texas over Bama & Georgia, Kelly is quickly building LSU to a top 5 program, Southern Cal doing good stuff out there, Fl St might be returning to past glories, Penn St might knock down Ohio & Mich.

Disgusting? You do realize Matt Stafford is the kid's godfather, played at UGA, was the number 1 pick and his college QB coach and OC was Mike Bobo. Who do you think is the SEC career passing leader, it isn't a Manning, it's Aaron Murray who was also coached by Mike Bobo. The kid may never play a down but to say he won't get developed is more wishful thinking on your part than anything factual.

 

[JHB4UK]

Haha,knew you'd overreact. Want to talk facts, not speculation, ok.

How many 4 & 5 star quarterbacks has Kirby Smart signed since 2016?

How many of them were drafted from Georgia to the NFL?

 

[PersianCat387]

I'm in the "adapt and move forward mode with this". While the big boys will always have the best of the best until further notice, the portal otherwise awards teams with a good coaching staff who can make the best of what is available in the summer and winter portal sessions. NIL money matters, but at some point results do as well, and players will head to places that use them well and treat them right and success will follow. Knowing that we have such a coaching staff right now means I feel great about it. Over time I hope CFB can settle in a new equilibrium where the haves still have more than the have nots but the gap is lessened, so you have better games to watch every Saturday. In an ideal world we'd get to a point where a 3rd of the playoff teams are the annual shoe-ins, with the remaining being a rotating cast of schools on a yearly basis. The dream for me would be if the best teams in the land were sitting at 11/10-2 rather than 12/13-0 each year. Then we'd have achieved an acceptable and interesting level of parity.

On the contrary, the portal situation is quite depressing for us on the CBB side because we do not have a good coaching staff who can manage the roster well (it's basically Cal who I am still willing to support and a bunch of his has-been friends), but I can see how it is exciting for teams both big and small in CBB. Even as good players bolt from the mid-majors to the big programs each year, a smart and capable up and coming coach can sell players on a vision and build mid majors capable of making a run as well by plugging gaps much faster than they could when they had to pick through a bunch of high school 2-stars and a few high-major castoffs. Very democratizing.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Haha,knew you'd overreact. Want to talk facts, not speculation, ok.

How many 4 & 5 star quarterbacks has Kirby Smart signed since 2016?

How many of them were drafted from Georgia to the NFL?

Kirby has had one 5* qb drafted, 2 transferred because he won the job. JT Daniel transferred out because he lost his job. Two 4* and one 5* still on campus. The 3rd 4*had a brain access that required surgery no idea where he is or what he is doing. So the answer is ever QB who ender their career under Kirby has been drafted. And overreact, when you call something disgusting what do you expect. I understand you not wanting UGA to sign good players, but hard work and being relentless on the recruiting trail is disgusting. Do you think BigDawg is disgusting for working hard on the recruiting trail?

 

[satcheluk]

CFB is really starting to look like CBB with all the roster movement. Hard to remember who is on the squad anymore and who projected starters are as that list changes every week seemingly. I know it's the 'new world' but I can't say I'm a big fan. Has been working, for the most part, in UK's favor so I like that. But, this nonstop roster turnover is feeling more and more like CFB's version of OAD.

Does this start hurting the enthusiasm for CFB? I hope not but would not be surprised if so.

I look at NiL like crypto. Early on everyone makes bank, but as the market matures there's less cash to go around and it settles down. I suspect as more players learn they can't always get what was promised, then there will be less FOMO transfers and more contemplative decisions being made. Give it a few more years to work itself out.

Edit: lol, just a couple of days after my post my prediction begins. https://www.on3.com/nil/news/high-s...-multi-million-nil-bidding-wars-seeing-reset/

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I’m probably in the minority but when was the last time O Hi state or Michigan were relevant to a national championship discussion ? It’s like the Notre Dame disease 🍺

 

[rye48]

But yet they will be in the playoffs every year come hell or high water

 

[The-Hack]

It is bad for the sport when everyone knows the national championship will be Georgia, Bama, Ohio St, Michigan - and no one else has a roster close to beating them.

Just 24 months ago, leaving Clemson off this list would have been laughable.

6 years ago, including UGA would have been a stretch.

There have been, and will continue to be changes at the top.

I think this Wild Wild West world will ultimately favor the 15-20 schools just below the elite you list, and we are now among those 15-20 schools.

Consider this: those 4 schools you list can only provide roughly 80-100 players a year a scholly. They cannot take all the good players out there.

With immediate transfer eligibility, how many dozens of former 2 Star-type players at MAC and CUSA schools have proven they were overlooked and can improve their stock at the P5 level? I suspect it will be way too many for just 4 or 5 schools to absorb,

I think there will be an actual increase in talent and competitiveness in the top 20% of P5 programs, at the cost of G5 and FCS schools. And programs like Mizzou, Vandy, Indiana, Virginia, the PAC ACC and Big 12 leftovers, short of splash hires, will stay caught in the middle, and shut out. Most NFL quality players developed at FCS and G5 programs will percolate up for a final season or two in the P5, especially into the SEC.

I actually like Kentucky’s position in all of this, as our staff has shown flexibility in luring quality that had always been known (Leary), quality that had been overlooked and that needed a place to shine (Levis), and quality that surprised everyone by developing in lesser programs (several of our transfers, including Jefferson and our MAC transfers).

With regard to the MAC, we need to treat that as prime hunting ground. Again, all roads to SEC programs from Ohio and Michigan pass through Kentucky. We need to make all our non-conference games MAC opponents, and pick and choose players who impress our coaches. Some might say this has already occurred with two Northern Illinois transfers who played against us last season.

 

[Soupbean]

CFB is really starting to look like CBB with all the roster movement. Hard to remember who is on the squad anymore and who projected starters are as that list changes every week seemingly. I know it's the 'new world' but I can't say I'm a big fan. Has been working, for the most part, in UK's favor so I like that. But, this nonstop roster turnover is feeling more and more like CFB's version of OAD.

Does this start hurting the enthusiasm for CFB? I hope not but would not be surprised if so.

The answer it YES. Free agency always diminishes sports in general from a fans perspective (instantly makes the focus less about the sport, team, city, school, fan base and more about the money). That's even magnified for college sports where it is based so much on your local and university loyalty and traditions. So that will just get worse I'm afraid. You'll see more and more of the coverage, talk shows time conversation in general focused on the money and player moves than the game/sport itself. You'll hear players talk more about that than the school or state they want to play for and their loyalty and commitment there. I've just resigned myself to enjoy it while I can and glad we're at least making the best of it so far.

 

[Dncmaxwell]

Kirby has had one 5* qb drafted, 2 transferred because he won the job. JT Daniel transferred out because he lost his job. Two 4* and one 5* still on campus. The 3rd 4*had a brain access that required surgery no idea where he is or what he is doing. So the answer is ever QB who ender their career under Kirby has been drafted. And overreact, when you call something disgusting what do you expect. I understand you not wanting UGA to sign good players, but hard work and being relentless on the recruiting trail is disgusting. Do you think BigDawg is disgusting for working hard on the recruiting trail?

No way Grumpydog….

Georgia, Alabama and OSU stunk and couldn’t pull recruits before NIL…

😉

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

No way Grumpydog….

Georgia, Alabama and OSU stunk and couldn’t pull recruits before NIL…

😉

Recruiting has always been Kirby's strength. When Bama wanted a guy Kirby was lead recruiter regardless of the side if the ball he played on. He didn't forget how to recruit when he become a head coach. He is restless, obsessed with it and demands the same from his assistants. Recruiting is about to heat up foe everyone 1st weekend in June, he gave the staff Memorial day off. To call him disgusting because of his ability to recruit and not be out worked by any staff on the recruiting front is either lack of knowledge of what is going on or just jealousy.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Recruiting has always been Kirby's strength. When Bama wanted a guy Kirby was lead recruiter regardless of the side if the ball he played on. He didn't forget how to recruit when he become a head coach. He is restless, obsessed with it and demands the same from his assistants. Recruiting is about to heat up foe everyone 1st weekend in June, he gave the staff Memorial day off. To call him disgusting because of his ability to recruit and not be out worked by any staff on the recruiting front is either lack of knowledge of what is going on or just jealousy.

I don’t believe he was calling Kirby discussing. He said it was disgusting he chose Georgia when they have had no recent history of having high draft pick QBs. That’s a fair statement. People always go for what’s trending is what he is saying. 2 Nattys. I wanna go there. Same with politics. People complain and want term limits but they go to the polls and vote for every familiar name they see.

 

[Dncmaxwell]

Recruiting has always been Kirby's strength. When Bama wanted a guy Kirby was lead recruiter regardless of the side if the ball he played on. He didn't forget how to recruit when he become a head coach. He is restless, obsessed with it and demands the same from his assistants. Recruiting is about to heat up foe everyone 1st weekend in June, he gave the staff Memorial day off. To call him disgusting because of his ability to recruit and not be out worked by any staff on the recruiting front is either lack of knowledge of what is going on or just jealousy.

Sorry. Was being facetious. Alabama, Georgia and OSU have been in almost every final four since they started. Long before NIL.

and from a huge Kentucky fan, I never call a coach or player disgusting. I will say when ever I think of Georgia and their recruiting, l get mad and it is 100% jealousy…..

We are really improving though and look forward to the game every year. Wanna be the best, gotta beat the best and that is our chance and we get it every year.

 

[Deeeefense]

Over time I hope CFB can settle in a new equilibrium where the haves still have more than the have nots but the gap is lessened, so you have better games to watch every Saturday.

That's an important point I think a lot of folks miss. If you a Bama that recruits top 5 classes every year, how much better can you make your roster through the portal? OTOH look at UK which I would call a second tier team. They are solid at most positions but ran into multiple issues with their O-line and lost arguably their only SEC caliber QB to the draft. What would UK's record be this season if there were no help available through the portal? I hate to think about it but I would probable resemble more of the Joker years than the Stoops years. Because we have upgraded well through the portal 10 wins are in reach and we should be in the hunt for the East once again.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Sorry. Was being facetious. Alabama, Georgia and OSU have been in almost every final four since they started. Long before NIL.

and from a huge Kentucky fan, I never call a coach or player disgusting. I will say when ever I think of Georgia and their recruiting, l get mad and it is 100% jealousy…..

We are really improving though and look forward to the game every year. Wanna be the best, gotta beat the best and that is our chance and we get it every year.

I readily admit UGA has advantages over most SEC teams because of the level of HS football played in the state. But oddly enough we don't target many instate kids and I don't understand. Our class will probably end up withas many West of the Mississippi River as we have top 15 in state.

You are 100% correct on UK improving every year. The talent level is getting better every class. The last area I felt UK was lacking in was overall team speed on defense. I think that is the biggest difference between UK and UGA.

 

[Rembrandt90]

That's an important point I think a lot of folks miss. If you a Bama that recruits top 5 classes every year, how much better can you make your roster through the portal?

To answer that question, consider Landon Dickerson, Henry To'o To'o, Jameson Williams, and Jahmyr Gibbs. Those guys became stars at AL. Every year, Saban accepts transfers. Even programs that recruit at a high level can take transfers at positions of need and get better, because recruiting at a high level doesn't mean every recruit plans out. Regardless of star ratings, many recruits just don't.

OTOH look at UK which I would call a second tier team. They are solid at most positions but ran into multiple issues with their O-line and lost arguably their only SEC caliber QB to the draft. What would UK's record be this season if there were no help available through the portal? I hate to think about it but I would probable resemble more of the Joker years than the Stoops years. Because we have upgraded well through the portal 10 wins are in reach and we should be in the hunt for the East once again.

UK has been a top tier team defensively since shortly after Coach White became our DC. In 2022 UK had the SEC's #2 defense. During this time, our offense has been the primary variable impacting results. When our offensive production and efficiency were effective in 2018 and 2021, UK won 10 games. Better seasons than that are not out of reach for us, because UK's offense and special teams could still become more productive than they have been, particularly if Stoops signs more players like Cutter Boley, Darian Kinnard, Dane Key, and Barion Brown. Our 2022 class was highly productive, and early indications are suggesting we may be headed down that same path for the current class.

Going back to our 2020 class, Stoops has accepted a total of 17 offensive and 13 defensive transfers. Trust me when I tell you that 11 of the 19 transfers taken in 2020, '21, and '22 have had no impact. Here we are talking about players like London Craft, TreVon Morgan, Justice Dingle, and Dee Beckwith. Four of the 12 transfers that have been accepted for 2023 are projected to start. So hs seniors signing in our recruiting classes remain the foundation of our football program although additions of Dare Rosenthal, Wandale Robinson, Will Levis, Keidron Smith, and Devin Leary have been critical at times for bolstering positions of need. AFAIK, it is the same story at nearly every other Power 5 football program including AL.