If the NCAA really cared about the "student athlete" and kids declaring early...

[Cychologist]

they should just allow kids to enter the draft and if undrafted, return to school with no eligibility lost.

The OAD rule is the NBA's and is working well for them. However the college game would be better served if players not quite good or lucky enough to get drafted could continue playing for their school.

That would be a "players first" change.

 

[Blueaz]

Good in theory. Agents, family and friends make that impossible to control.

 

[kyjeff1]

I like the idea. It would definitely benefit a lot of kids.

 

[jrpross]

Won't happen. When kids hire an agent they take advances from them and lose their amateurism status. Therefore the NCAA would have to do away with that rule too and that "you can't take a dime and still play" rule is way too precious to them.

 

[TIE543]

That would be hell for recruiting.

 

[KySpringCat]

It used to be that way, so long as you didn't hire an agent. You could see your draft status, or lack thereof, turn in down and return to school after the draft.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

It used to be that way, so long as you didn't hire an agent. You could see your draft status, or lack thereof, turn in down and return to school after the draft.

Jus curious as when it was that way because i don't remember that.

 

[spotter34]

I like the idea except for the fact that college coaches wouldn't know how many kids they could sign in the spring because of not knowing for sure who might come back.

It would hurt the D-League though for some of these young, talented players to go back to school instead of to Rapid City. The NBA would look to change their rules pretty quick. The NCAA should try to do more to protect their game. If the NFL adopted the same rules as the NBA as far as when you can enter the draft and some of these elite freshmen football players started leaving in droves after one year, I bet the NCAA would do something.

 

[mebeblue2]

i would love a TAD rule
from what i have read the NBA owners want it, but the players union (agents) will not agree to it

the OAD is better than the NAD but not as good as the TAD

 

[king of cali]

Jus curious as when it was that way because i don't remember that.

I know Voshon Lenard took advantage of that back in the 90s. He was selected in the 2nd round, then went back to school.

I don't know what the rule was back but then, but Larry Bird was selected as a junior eligible by the Celtics, then they held his rights for the next year.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

I know Voshon Lenard took advantage of that back in the 90s. He was selected in the 2nd round, then went back to school.

I don't know what the rule was back but then, but Larry Bird was selected as a junior eligible by the Celtics, then they held his rights for the next year.

Bird was different. The rule then was once you had played 4 years you could be drafted. He didn't declare it was just the rule. But didn't know about Leonard will have to look it up. Thanks.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

i would love a TAD rule
from what i have read the NBA owners want it, but the players union (agents) will not agree to it

the OAD is better than the NAD but not as good as the TAD

And I've never understood the union's position on that. I'm surprised rhe older veterans don't push for it. Those roster spots taken by OAD who aren't ready and drafted on potential are taking an older veterans job to some extent.

 

[kats23]

Won't happen as the NCAA likes to keep up the facade that is "Amateurism" in college athletics

 

[seccats04]

Won't happen as the NCAA likes to keep up the facade that is "Amateurism" in college athletics

The NCAA is an "amateur-ish" organization. They better come down fairly hard on UNC and UL or they will cease to exist. UL is lucky their scandal is under investigation the same time as UNC because we know UNC will skate and UL will be lightly punished to not make it look too biased.

 

[Cychologist]

That would be hell for recruiting.

Push the spring signing period back to after the draft.

 

[Cychologist]

Good in theory. Agents, family and friends make that impossible to control.

You don't have to sign with an agent. And this way there would be less reason to have an agent advocating for you before the draft.

 

[BlueBomb]

The NBA is the only entity that can stop/change this...and that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Blueaz]

You don't have to sign with an agent. And this way there would be less reason to have an agent advocating for you before the draft.

They need agents before the draft...there are lots of negotiations and phone calls before the draft. It would be impossible to expect an 18 year old to handle that by himself.
I agree it would be nice. But so hard to enforce....

 

[OHIO COLONEL]

If the rule was changed to what the OP said, would that give UNC enough time to enroll the returning players in their fake classes? Or would the classes be full by that late date for the next semester?

 

[GonzoCat90]

The coaches are just as guilty as the NCAA. Watch how they react when a kid transfers. Watch how they react anytime there's a change to the timeline of them knowing what their roster will look like. Cal might be the only guy in the country who puts the kids first and would be all for it.

It's fun watching people start to wrestle with this false idea of amateurism that they believed in for so long. The cognitive dissonance caused by these kids going pro and willing to be second rounders or undrafted instead of caring about fans or Ol' Alma Mater when so many thought that they play for the name on the front of the jersey is a weird mix of comical and sad.

 

[KySpringCat]

It was way back in the 90's I think

 

[kornucopia]

Randolph Morris did that right?

 

[JonathanW]

You can be drafted by MLB out of HS, and still choose to play college if you don't like where you were drafted. You just have to maintain your amateur status by not accepting any $ or other benefits. No reason to not allow basketball players to return if they retain their amateur status, even if they are drafted. The only reason is for coaches, so they know if they need to fill a roster/position spot.

 

[seccats04]

Screw the NBA. The NCAA has no balls to stand up to them. Let the NBA make their rules but if I were the NCAA I would tell the kids they can either go straight out of high school or they have to sign a contract for two years to attend college if you want to play in the NCAA. Then, if the kid tries to bounce after one year the NCAA could seek restitution from the kid and/or NBA for breach of contract.

 

[Rockford]

Screw the NBA. The NCAA has no balls to stand up to them. Let the NBA make their rules but if I were the NCAA I would tell the kids they can either go straight out of high school or they have to sign a contract for two years to attend college if you want to play in the NCAA. Then, if the kid tries to bounce after one year the NCAA could seek restitution from the kid and/or NBA for breach of contract.

Legally impossible. Thanks for playing

 

[mebeblue2]

And I've never understood the union's position on that. I'm surprised rhe older veterans don't push for it. Those roster spots taken by OAD who aren't ready and drafted on potential are taking an older veterans job to some extent.

i think the players union is ran by the agents
the agents want to get in as early as possible on the next MJ, LBJ,KB
if i were a veteran player i would push for a TAD

 

[spotter34]

Bird was different. The rule then was once you had played 4 years you could be drafted. He didn't declare it was just the rule. But didn't know about Leonard will have to look it up. Thanks.

It wasn't after playing 4 years it was being 4 years removed from high school. Phoenix did the same thing with Macy before his senior year because he sat out a year after transferring from Purdue. Macy came back for his senior year and Phoenix owned his draft rights after Macy's senior year.

 

[mktmaker]

And I've never understood the union's position on that. I'm surprised rhe older veterans don't push for it. Those roster spots taken by OAD who aren't ready and drafted on potential are taking an older veterans job to some extent.

I agree with you.

I always thought the veterans are working against their own best interests.

 

[marshalfan]

I have no problem with a kid leaving and going pro as soon as possible, but their has to be rules that protect the college teams as well. The rules have been changed to help the players but their has to be a cutoff point. The rules as they are now seem pretty fair, they give the players a chance for some good honest feedback from the NBA before reaching the point of no return.