I Think The Coaches For USA Team Should Rotate Every Year
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I'd like it if we are going to send pro players then send a damn pro coach. It's really hard to believe the way it is now.
Why? USA has turned it around and winning medals/championships. Why mess up a great formula currently?
I guess to help level out the playing field for the rest of the schools for the sake of so called amateurism. If you can't see the issues with this then I don't know what else to tell you.
I have a feeling some here are a little less concerned about "Merica" and a little more concerned about recent and upcoming penis envy with Duke.
It was all good until these two most recent titles and the upcoming potential package deals in the 16 and 17 classes.
It was all good until these two most recent titles and the upcoming potential package deals in the 16 and 17 classes.
No. Keep it the way it is...sounds like sour grapes. We make fun of other programs' fans for wanting to "level" the recruiting against us, don't be one of those fans.
K gets an advantage...but he's earned it. And Team USA benefits from his approach. That's really all that matters to me.
I might add...I like the question and conversation, HICATFAN...even if I disagree. Hat tip.
Every coach in the NBA could "coach" the USA national team to a gold medal nowadays (with so many mature superstars and Lebron in his prime). Sure, we got third in 2004, but we have consistently dominated throughout history. Coach K isn't working miracles out there. Switch him out.
I don't know, it wasn't long ago USA basketball was playing well below what it should have been. K helped turned it around, granted most people will say with the players he had anyone could do it but the man deserves credit. The last Olympic team was a lot of fun to watch. I honestly ask if you swapped K for Cal would you still feel the same way? We always credit Cal for his what he does to gain advantages in recruiting. Like it or not, K is one of the best coaches out there and USA should go after whatever combo they feel will win.
Seriously, a blue blood program who has gotten the best of the best recruits since Cal has been at the helm saying the playing field needs to be leveled? I have a feeling you guys are going to survive this and be just fine
From wiki on the 2004 team and why the USA "underachieved" then:
"However, the dominant team that competed in 2003 could not be kept together. Nine of its 12 players elected not to participate in Athens. The revamped 2004 team consisted of some young NBA stars early in their careers, such as Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony."
Team USA has gotten better and better as our young superstars have grown up....it has nothing with anything special Coach K is doing.
"However, the dominant team that competed in 2003 could not be kept together. Nine of its 12 players elected not to participate in Athens. The revamped 2004 team consisted of some young NBA stars early in their careers, such as Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony."
Team USA has gotten better and better as our young superstars have grown up....it has nothing with anything special Coach K is doing.
Continuity and years of experience between management, staff, and the player pool is a positive for USA basketball. K and Jerry C played huge roles in changing how USA basketball functions down to the youngest levels, and have fundamentally changed how USA basketball is viewed. This isn't unexpected from a top level coach who did a lot of learning at West Point
. As mentioned, the only issue is Duke hate.
. As mentioned, the only issue is Duke hate.
I fully understand your point ... and well said, BUT Coach K IS getting an unfair recruiting position... That's all!
AlohaCat
Fine... Let Coach Cal coach Team USA for the next 5 years then.... Turn about is fair play, is it not????
AlohaCat
It's ONLY his unfair recruiting advantage.... Give it to Pro Coaches... No college coaches, that's all!
AlohaCat
Continuity and years of experience between management, staff, and the player pool is a positive for USA basketball. K and Jerry C played huge roles in changing how USA basketball functions down to the youngest levels, and have fundamentally changed how USA basketball is viewed. This isn't unexpected from a top level coach who did a lot of learning at West Point
Nope... No duke hate.... Time to change the coaching mix...what's wrong with letting other coaches take the helm?
AlohaCat
I agree 100% The reason a pro coach know more about handling pro players .
I thought that Coach K tried to give it up in 2013 and was talked into returning as the coach?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...-team-usa-basketball-head-coach-one-more-time
Because what other reason is there to replace a coach who the players and staff speak so highly of and who has won a lot? You don't usually do that.
Somehow, I believe if Cal was the coach of team USA this topic wouldn't be brought up here, but it would be by Forde and company.
Here's the problem.
Not every Joe Schmoe coach is guaranteed to win gold. Larry Brown failed in 2004. George Karl failed in 2002. Those are two very accomplished professional coaches who couldn't get it done.
Dislike him at Duke, fine, but Coach K has absolutely dominated as the USA coach and has done so with the international competition stronger than ever.
Not every Joe Schmoe coach is guaranteed to win gold. Larry Brown failed in 2004. George Karl failed in 2002. Those are two very accomplished professional coaches who couldn't get it done.
Dislike him at Duke, fine, but Coach K has absolutely dominated as the USA coach and has done so with the international competition stronger than ever.
K isn't doing anything wrong, but if it was Cal in his position the media attention would be less than glowing
Well, OP, we used to do it the way you want until we got HUMILIATED in both the 2002 World Cup (where finished in an embarrassing SIXTH place) and the 2004 Olympics. Then we switched to this new way where Coach K became the permanent coach and we've been completely dominating the world ever since.
So the results CLEARLY indicate that this way works better. You get a coaching staff that better understands the international style of play, you get better continuity and familiarity with your system and staff that makes it easier for the players step in and know their roles. It's just much more conducive to winning when you treat Team USA like a real team instead of a rotating all star team.
That said, ten years is enough for Coach K. Time for somebody else to take the reins.
So the results CLEARLY indicate that this way works better. You get a coaching staff that better understands the international style of play, you get better continuity and familiarity with your system and staff that makes it easier for the players step in and know their roles. It's just much more conducive to winning when you treat Team USA like a real team instead of a rotating all star team.
That said, ten years is enough for Coach K. Time for somebody else to take the reins.
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Again. We DID send pro coaches until we got humiliated in 2002 and 2004. Then we tried a college coach and have been awesome ever since.
I swear, some of you guys either have really short memories or very bad logic skills. We did this one way and had bad results. Then we started doing it another way and had tremendous results. Yet now we've got posters bitching about why we don't go back to doing it the old way. Umm, shouldn't the reason be obvious?? You go with what works best.
Not exactly. In 2002 and 2004, the United States had insane talent. The problem is, a lot of that talent chose not to participate or wasn't picked by the staff. Heck, the most credit to the Team USA coach comes in picking the roster and designing a game plan around it. Since professionals started competing, the USA Team has had access to 90% of the world's best talent to choose from. It's not as simple as just throw the ball out there and dominate.
It's not as much K as it is the players that have elected to participate. The rosters we were sending wasn't a good mix and lacked a lot of shooting. Iverson, Marbury, Vince Carter etc., back courts just wasn't getting it done. LeBron and some of the other young stars hadn't even matured yet. K is an all time great, no question about it. Having said that, some of the other coaches haven't had the luxury of the rosters he has had.
Do you think Cal got an unfair advantage with KAT when he coached the DR team?
Yes he probably did. That's one player compared too numerous for K. If all the United States players aspired to play in a Dominican Republic professional league I would agree even more, but they don't.
So we've landed "numerous" players due only to K's participation with USA basketball? Please enlighten me on which players you know for sure we landed because of USA basketball, how exactly you know that USA basketball was THE reason we landed them, and how exactly you know that we wouldn't have landed them otherwise.
This is curious to me. I mean, we all know that Coach K never could land solid recruiting classes before Team USA. That '97 class of Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Will Avery, and Chris Burgess (all top 20 players) was pure luck. No way he'd land that class without USA hoops. That '99 class of Jason Williams, Carlos Boozer, and Mike Dunleavy (all top 20 players) was also just pure luck. As was the '02 class of J.J. Redick, Shelden Williams, and Shavlik Randolph (all top 20 players).
Let's just ignore all those "fluke" recruiting classes, and harp on the fact that K is only recruiting well because of USA basketball. The way K is recruiting now is the exact same way he was recruiting in the late 90s/early 2000s.
Absolutely. I remember how strange it sounded when we heard that Cal had accepted the job as the DR coach, but then, lo and behold, it turns out that team had a kid who was the future No.1 overall pick in the NBA draft on its roster. Whatta ya know!
Whether that was the reason he took the job or not, I don't know, but it's amazing how these things work out for Cal.
Continuity and years of experience between management, staff, and the player pool is a positive for USA basketball. K and Jerry C played huge roles in changing how USA basketball functions down to the youngest levels, and have fundamentally changed how USA basketball is viewed. This isn't unexpected from a top level coach who did a lot of learning at West Point
With all K's success, I can't agree, though generally I understand how you feel. I can't complain at all about K's success, so it's fine with me if he continues. Anyone else and I'd tend to agree. The continuity argument is a good one, too.
I like the continuity. I am a fan of USA basketball, and want them to win every time they take the floor. I think the Colangelo-Krzyzewski leadership has been a huge boost to the over-all program.
International basketball is very competitive now, and we need to be at our best. The commitment from players and coaches has been invaluable to restoring the US to basketball prominence.
International basketball is very competitive now, and we need to be at our best. The commitment from players and coaches has been invaluable to restoring the US to basketball prominence.
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