I know we can't stand Mumme...

[panthergram]

but would we agree he's the best offensive mind in Kentucky football history? His downfall was his immoral behavior but a horrid defense under Mike Major. What would this program had been like with his offensive system and this better than average defense?

 

[KyCatFan]

Leach's offense while here yes. Mumme ran offense after Leach no. He went downhill once Leach left. Stoops would never let that kind of offense flourish here. Can't risk having quick 3 and outs while being aggressive.

 

[KYWC36]

No, we can’t agree… best offensive mind in history?! That’s a big stretch

 

[vhcat70]

Sure. He was part of creating a whole new long-lasting O system.

 

[KYWC36]

I see you said KY history … my fault ….

 

[JHB4UK]

No

Smart fans who know who was really designing plays and the scheme know it is Mike Leach

For gosh sake look at the last 25 yrs, Leach cranked out great offenses & 4000 yd passers everywhere. Mumme couldn't even get another D1 job.

 

[Johnfarrel]

but would we agree he's the best offensive mind in Kentucky football history? His downfall was his immoral behavior but a horrid defense under Mike Major. What would this program had been like with his offensive system and this better than average defense?

Mumme would never have had a better than average defense. He did not care about defense.

 

[Girthang]

I don't speak directly for anyone else, but I don't know anyone that "can't stand Mumme"... Thoroughly enjoyed what our offense did when compared to Curry. He was a breath of fresh air for offense, even if he didn't care much about the D.

Greatest offensive minds at UK? I can't say that for certain. He was creative. We ran up stats and scored. Beat Bama. I enjoyed what he was able to do with Couch and Yeast and Co.

 

[dvillecatfan]

I don't speak directly for anyone else, but I don't know anyone that "can't stand Mumme"... Thoroughly enjoyed what our offense did when compared to Curry. He was a breath of fresh air for offense, even if he didn't care much about the D.

Greatest offensive minds at UK? I can't say that for certain. He was creative. We ran up stats and scored. Beat Bama. I enjoyed what he was able to do with Couch and Yeast and Co.

Solid take

 

[3632]

Mumme was innovative but once teams countered he didn’t have a counter. His disciples were the ones that came up with some variations and counters although Leach is probably closest to the original version.

 

[Kai Slater]

mumme ball!!!!!

 

[Girthang]

Solid take

Thanks man.

 

[Hjack]

Solid take

Agree

 

[KYCAT78]

but would we agree he's the best offensive mind in Kentucky football history? His downfall was his immoral behavior but a horrid defense under Mike Major. What would this program had been like with his offensive system and this better than average defense?

I live in Alabama and a guy came to hook up my gas. He saw my UK tag and told me he was Mike Major's Brother In Law. He said Mumme would take every athlete off of Defense and put them on Offense and then tell the Defense to do the best they can to slow down the other teams because he felt he could out score them.

 

[NavyCat88]

Mumme ball was a sugar high. Lots of yards, many points but an inability to run during crunch time to salt away a game and zero wins against UGA, UF, or UT.

Plus a finesse, pass-happy team puts the defense on the field more and exhausts them in addition to breeding a soft team overall.

Our team needs an offensive adjustment to achieve balance to be sure, but without sacrificing physicality. We have to be able to out hit teams. We have to be able to run in the fourth quarter. We have to be able to chew clock.

More balance is needed, but trading off a good run game, tough D, or competent special teams is a non-starter, and all three of those aspects were afterthoughts under Hal Mumme. If FB is three phases, Mumme was content to be proficient in only one-half of one=phase....passing on offense (and crunch time running, ST, and Defense be d@mned). A poor coach--no other way to say it.

Finally, Mumme-ball dumbed-down our fanbase and only recently have we been able to distance ourselves from the "throw it deeeeeep"......"I'm bored"......"I go to games to be entertained" crowd. Bottom line, a losing team that scores 50 points is still a loser. Winning games, winning seasons and bowls wins are entertaining.

Let's get a good OC & ST coach in here with the following priorities: 1. Rebuild the Big Blue Wall on OL. 2. Resume Project-Coen to modernize the offense with better passing game balance targeting 30 PPG, 3. Hire a ST coach and start catching punts, blocking for PK, and kicking PATs & FGs with regularity. 4. Solve the NIL puzzle at UK.

GBB!

 

[ktbug]

Lots of cheap points and yards in junk time, not when it mattered.
Btw, Leach left when a qb named Couch left. perhaps that affected the offense a little?

 

[bigbluedon]

Overall Mumme sucked. I was glad to see him go. One trick pony.

 

[dvillecatfan]

Guy got people excited about Kentucky football. Helped change the way the game was played across the state at the HS level.

 

[panthergram]

Guy got people excited about Kentucky football. Helped change the way the game was played across the state at the HS level.

Absolutely correct...just like Matt Mitchell changed the way HS girls basketball is looked upon. It was once looked down on as a nuisance.

 

[Cat06]

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If FB is three phases, Mumme was content to be proficient in only one-half of one=phase....passing on offense (and crunch time running, ST, and Defense be d@mned). A poor coach--no other way to say it.

Stoops only cares about 2 of the 3 facets of the game, offense and defense. He completely ignores special teams. That is going to prevent UK from moving forward.

If this was not true, the long snapper 46 would have never made a 3rd bad snap. He would have never seen the field. Again after the second one.

Did any of you know that UKs newly signed long-snapper was also his teams field goal kicker? I am serious.

We signed a long snapper that has never longsnapped to a holder in his career or at least years. After all our troubles this year.

You cant make this stuff up.

 

[Smashcat]

This guy? Meh.

 

[panthergram]

This guy? Meh.

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His morals were right up there with Bear Bryant... difference is Bryant is a Legend.

 

[cat888]

No

Smart fans who know who was really designing plays and the scheme know it is Mike Leach

For gosh sake look at the last 25 yrs, Leach cranked out great offenses & 4000 yd passers everywhere. Mumme couldn't even get another D1 job.

Yes, I came on to make that statement. I don't think Mumme ever had a winning season without Leach.

 

[Soupbean]

Mumme was innovative but once teams countered he didn’t have a counter. His disciples were the ones that came up with some variations and counters although Leach is probably closest to the original version.

Yeah they eventually caught up. We'd jump on teams early every game, scores in a lot of opening drives and then lost some effectiveness in the second half as teams started adjusting to it. The other issue was the offense worked much better between the 20's but bogged down in the red zone some as the field shortened and you couldnt stretch it as much. The run game was based on space to run from draw plays with the pass threat but we lacked a power attack which also hurt the scoring in the red zone. We scored points but the yardage always outweighed the points.