How Would You Rank UK's Coaches From Rupp to Today?
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Rupp, Cal, Pitino, Hall, Tubby, Gillespie, Sutton. Sutton should be after Hall, but getting us put on probation puts him at the bottom of the list. (I think Sutton would have won a NC had the scandal not brought him down)
The only controversy would be the last 2. I would flip-flop them. What Sutton did to our program is far worse than what BCG did imo.
I think it's funny nobody wants to admit pitino is a better COACH than cal. Cal may be the better recruiter which I guess is considered in this? But pitino Xa and Os wise is far superior than cal
Interesting. I've not heard this before. I suspect there are some holes in your argument. Let me think about it....
Funny that Cal is 11-9 head to head w/ Pitino as college head coach. Including UMass and Memphis.
Coaching includes recruiting, developing players, offensive system coaching, defensive system coaching, game planning, game coaching, and game adjustments.
I would definitely give Pitino the defensive system coaching, but Cal has Pitino in most other categories and demolishes his in recruiting.
I would definitely give Pitino the defensive system coaching, but Cal has Pitino in most other categories and demolishes his in recruiting.
Don't agree with this. Sutton put us on probation. Had we not gotten Pitino, we would have set back much farther. BCG was not as good as Sutton, but he didn't put us on probation.
I know this won't be popular, but I think that you give Cal 30-40 years at UK her have more than 4 total so I can see someone putting Cal ahead. Not saying I'd do it, I'd prolly have to put Cal and Rupp as a tie since I'm too lazy to do the research, but I'm guessing that Cal has close to half as many FFs in 6 years compared to Rupps long tenure here, however its no guarantee that actually win 4 or more so its a toss up IMO, followed by Rick, Hall, Smith, Eddie, and Billy.
It's kind of weird how Cal was able to knock off Pitino when Pitino had one of the all-time great teams in 96.
Maybe Rick let him win?
Louisville was also favored against us in 2013-2014. Twice. Didn't turn out for them.
Nobody here will say that RP is a bad coach. He's clearly very good. But there's plenty of hard evidence to support the notion that Cal is just as good or better from a "pure coaching" standpoint.
I agree with this overall ranking. This may be unpopular due to fan sentiment, but Sutton was one HELL of a game coach and in that category would be far up this list, IMO. I was only 7 when Rupp retired, but for the rest, I would put him at the top.
I would say that Pitino is better at game planning and preparation than Cal but is not as good during mid-game with adjustments.
Cal is soooo underrated As a coach. Who else can get what he gets out of freshmen? Answer no one. People tend to forget what he does with mostly freshmen and they judge him like he is doing what he does with a normal aged roster. Best coach in the country imo as no one can do it but him. Also no coach has done anything to the BBN worse than going to our rival so I put brothal boy last.
Rupp, Cal, Hall, Smith, First Drunk, Second Drunk, moral compass boy
Rupp, Cal, Hall, Smith, First Drunk, Second Drunk, moral compass boy
1. Vastly superior coach would've found a way to win more than 1 out of 8 now that they're both at big boy schools.
2. Vastly superior coach would not have split the series in '96, including double digit loss to vastly inferior coach, when vastly superior coach had the GOAT college team and vastly inferior coach had two players on his entire roster with High major offers.
Indeed, the above facts suggest that you have superior and inferior coaches reversed.
i think it's funny nobody wants to admit Tubby was a better X n O's coach then Pitino
go look up Pitino's record in close and OT games
he has never been a great X n O's coach
he is one of the best at preparing for the game, but once that whistle sounds not so much
Hey goof, no one is questioning Pitino's coaching ability while at UK. Geez man, people still rank him third. What more do you want?
If we're talking only about coaching the basketball players that he has, without regard to recruiting and without regard to personal character, etc., I rank them (1) Pitino (2) Rupp (3) Sutton (4) Calipari (T5) Hall (T5) Smith (7) Gillespie.
If we state the same criteria, but include recruiting, then (1) Calipari (2) Pitino (3) Sutton (T4) Rupp (T4) Hall (6) Smith (7) Gillespie.
Just MHO, of course.
If we state the same criteria, but include recruiting, then (1) Calipari (2) Pitino (3) Sutton (T4) Rupp (T4) Hall (6) Smith (7) Gillespie.
Just MHO, of course.
RP is so hardheaded, he won't change his game plan. IMO. It has worked to a 80% +/- lifetime record though. Cal in a lot of opinions should have played Ulis in the last part of the Wisc game. But couldas, wouldas and shouldas don't always work. This one we will never know. RP didn't play Derek Anderson against Ariz in .97 NC game. [see cws's above].
A lot of it is great coaching, and a lot is luck. Very hard to do that when the game is going on.
Just my .02 worth
Rupp
Pitino/Calipari
Hall/Smith
Sutton/Gillispie
There are credible arguments that can be made in the 2/3, 4/5 and 6/7 spots. Arguements that won't correctly be made until enough time has removed bias and all surrounding circumstances can be accounted for.
Pitino/Calipari
Hall/Smith
Sutton/Gillispie
There are credible arguments that can be made in the 2/3, 4/5 and 6/7 spots. Arguements that won't correctly be made until enough time has removed bias and all surrounding circumstances can be accounted for.
No way to really know for sure but probably cost the Cats another title so yeah that was as big a coaching blunder as you can make.
Rival fans (and some of our fans who have retained a dislike for Cal from earlier) use the incredibly scientific "he's a big mouth, showy salesman, and gets good recruits, so he must not be good at Xs and Os" assessment.
K, Cal, and Self all average 5 star players across their rotations -
K and Cal have had very comparable results since Cal's been at UK, Self has had somewhat worse results.
At UK, Cal has lost to a lower seed in the NCAAs only once, and that was to a 2 seed. In the mean time, K has lost a 2/15 and a 3/14 game, and Self has a long distinguished history of getting knocked out by mid majors.
But we hear that Cal can't coach while the other two are masterminds.
People like to give more credit to humble people. People tend to assume that introverts or quieter guys are more intelligent than loud, boisterous ones.
And also, many dumb people are incapable of understanding that more five star recruits doesn't mean more talent. For example, the average talent has been about the same, but Cal has had twice as many five stars come through as K.
The resident genius on Louisville's board, Zipp, tries to use this fact to make it sound like Cal has been working with twice as much talent as K, which is hilarious to anybody who pays any attention to CBB.
Obviously, they've both had multiple five stars off the bench every single year - it's just that Cal has guys leave more often so he has to replace them, whereas more of K's five stars have come back year to year - both will have 6-9 burger boys every single year, it's just that more of Cal's are freshmen, more of K's are sophs and juniors. Not hard to understand unless your brain is stuck in the mud, like a certain subgroup of Louisville fans.
You're an idiot.
Couldn't help it. You wanted it, expected it and deserve it.
Last............. Gillispie
next to last...Sutton
3rd from last..Smith
4th best.........Pitino
3rd best........Hall
2nd best.......Rupp
Very Best.....Calipari (when all is said and done)
Its always been this easy for me when comparing Cal and Pitino.
If its a roster full of Cameron Mills types of players, give me Pitino. If its a team full of John Wall types of players, give me Cal.
Pitino is better at getting the most out of lesser talent, while Cal is better at getting the most out of superior talent.
If its a roster full of Cameron Mills types of players, give me Pitino. If its a team full of John Wall types of players, give me Cal.
Pitino is better at getting the most out of lesser talent, while Cal is better at getting the most out of superior talent.
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