OGT-Florida vs #6 Kentucky Billy Donovan Court 1/6/24 12:30 PM
I can't watch when the refs start to dictate the outcome. This feels like Wake Forest
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Gator Fans agree that Cal outcoached Todd Golden
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Is there a scenario in which a losing team’s fans does not think the opposing coach out coached theirs?
It's a player's game. Cal is a great coach. Maybe Golden is too? Players make the plays.
I have to agree with that statement, we still give up to many straight line drives. But, we tightened up and stopped getting beat back door so much the last 8 minutes.
He did.
It was a road game, our first one, against a team that isn't all that much inferior to us. We dealt with home cooking, Florida having their superbowl performance from the 3, and Cal made great adjustments in the 2nd half and we won.
If we had any other jersey on and played on some undisclosed playground in Gainseville, we win by 20.
It was a road game, our first one, against a team that isn't all that much inferior to us. We dealt with home cooking, Florida having their superbowl performance from the 3, and Cal made great adjustments in the 2nd half and we won.
If we had any other jersey on and played on some undisclosed playground in Gainseville, we win by 20.
Not a Cal fan and probably never will be again.........but Cal seems to be doing more coaching this season than in the past 2 or 3 years. He looks like he is more engaged. A lot less GOOOOOO and RUUUUNNN
He's not doing more coaching this season, the team is actually listening to what he says. He's said it a few times during press conferences. This team listens to him the first time so he doesn't have to yell like that. He made a joke earlier in the year about how he hasn't had to do the GOOOOO RUNNNNN thing because of that.
The last two years the team just straight up wasn't listening to him. I think it's kind of funny this board gets on Cal so much for his coaching the last few years when there's legit proof the team wasn't listening to him. Unfortunately, we didn't really have enough horses to sub guys out when that happened (Which Cal also said during yesterday's press conference. He said last year when guys played bad they played the whole game because there weren't good players he could sub in. This year he can sub guys out).
Direct quote from last year from Oscar about the offense, which may explain part of the reason the offense looked so bad: “Most of the time we don’t really run what Coach is asking us to do."
Then he should have played the ones who did listen even if he had to start the walk-ons. Posters get crucified if they call out the poor little players. Never mind they are making 5 or 6 figure incomes. Let them draw their NIL money on the bench
do we win by 8 at rupp or 18...Its not playground but we have been known to show up. I be happy with 10 pt win but think it will be 5 or 6
One thing that I most definitely have marveled at regarding Cal in his tenure at UK is his ability to get all these freshmen, who have been told they are the greatest their entire basketball lives, to play for each other and the team. Takes a special kind of skill to do that.
To be honest, can't think of many coaches in the country who would be able to do that.
To be honest, can't think of many coaches in the country who would be able to do that.
Honestly, I don't think Rupp offers quite the advantage people think.
Clearly every opposing team shoots lights out, so there's absolutely no intimidating factor to it, no matter how many families are stuffing their faces with soft serve in the stands. We also don't seem to get any favorable whistle there either. Sometimes we do, but not nearly enough for what another top25 team gets at home.
Honestly this is why I think Cal has done so well in the tournament. Too many top teams are getting protected at home and protected by the conference. Meanwhile Kentucky is learning how to fight with one hand behind its back.
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Funny reading the Gators fans post and seeing them actually saying the refs favored UK and dictated the outcome. Shows how everyone's perspective is way different.
HAHAHAHAHA you really want us to believe that the PLAYERS decided to run the antiquated post up offense? LOL you keep plugging away making those Cal-resurrection posts, buddy, it's noble work you're doing.
I may be wrong but as I was watching the game and seeing those banked in threes, I thought to myself “we’ll beat these guys by 20 at Rupp” .
Well……sometimes he’s been able to do that and other times he hasn’t.
And if he did that I’m sure you would be the first to hand kudos to cal for getting blowout, right?
Yes, less go and run is always good. What does it mean, though? It means the team has gotten past things like that. If you've got a team walking the ball up the court when they're down and you need more possessions and attempts, you can't get beyond go and run. So, this tells me this team is very coachable. They're listening and they're executing, so Calipari can actually spend his energies on some of the finer details of the game, which will greatly improve this team as we go.
As for the Gator fans and that thread, it cracks me up a bit. Every diehard fan whose team loses a game, especially a home game, always accuses the coach of being outcoached. I thought their coach had a great gameplan against UK. They forced Kentucky to beat them one on one and didn't allow many open threes, shut down the assists, and even turned the Cats over in that first half, and those things are very uncharacteristic for this UK team. Somebody scouted well and had a solid game plan and it wasn't anyone on that board. Ha!
I also had to laugh reading the complaints about officiating. I guess fans always see it their own team's way. I thought Florida got most of the calls, and pretty much every debatable call.
The game came down to who wanted it more at the end. Florida could have won, yes, but that loss was less about poor coaching (or even good coaching on our side) and more about Kentucky players making plays and having a stronger will to win. Florida played well. Kentucky played better.
Thats silly... their Florida coach did a heck of a job. I think both coached really well, the difference is that UK had the better players ...
He is clearly doing more coaching this year, good for him and the program. Once upon a time he said he would not be held hostage again, but according to Oscar he was last year and the year before?
I just don't buy into all the Cal speak that he puts out. Can he still coach, no doubt, does he respect the program and the fans, I have doubts about that.
Happens here all the time with the Cal faithful. When we lose a game they blame everyone BUT Cal. The refs, the fans, and the players. One thing is for sure with them, it is NEVER Cal’s fault to any degree. And to even suggest that he could’ve done something better is to abandon your UK fandom.
I would disagree. I would say most of the time he has...any that haven't, which to me is only the 2021 team, would be the outlier.
All other years that Cal has had freshmen dominated teams, they have played hard for each other and the team.
Eh...I have always thought the old adage of "x team/player wanted it more" was overused.
I definitely did not walk away from that game saying "boy, UK just wanted it more at the end." UKs ability to make plays down the stretch were the result of good play calling/execution and shot making.
Did UK start wanting it less when they committed fouls on three straight possessions at the end of the game, allowing UF a chance? Or did UF just want it more?
On a semi related subject, any team playing KU has a legitimate gripe about officiating.
Well, we're not too far apart. At the end of the comment, I said "Florida played well. Kentucky played better." I don't think coaching was the main fault with Florida or that coaching was the main reason UK won. I think our guys just found a way to win. Now, certainly, some good coaching and some good habits that have been created helped our guys make those plays, but the players had to make the plays. Florida guys made those plays for most of the game and held the lead for most the game, but the Kentucky team didn't quit. They had reasons to just chalk a loss up to first true road game or just missing shots they normally make, but they didn't take that way out. I don't know that "wanting it more" is the primary thing I was trying to say. Will to win is similar but maybe a little bit different. It's one thing to want something but it's quite another to be willing and able to make it happen. That's what I was trying to say. This UK team has impressed me with their will to win all along, but their ability to make that happen is improving. But did Florida's coach make poor decisions that led to the loss? I don't think so. It's an easy out for lazy fans who don't want to look deeper. As I say, I thought their gameplan and the execution of that plan were excellent, and that's good coaching. They got beat because UK was willing and able to make it happen.
Cal deserves blame sometimes of coarse but not near to the level people the last 2 seasons have acted like. There are literally people who think he should be fired or the game has passed him by. I mean that can't even be typed with a straight face. He had an average season last season after having a great season the year before BUT folding to a 15 seed ( that made thew elite 8 mind u) due to the team having some many injuries the last month all momentum went down the crapper . It happens. Hell Self is one of the top 5 coaches of the last 20 years and has had numerous losses like that . But of coarse Cal deserves blame at times. He deserved some for the KU loss IMO . Not so much the Wilmington one IMO as I think there was nothing he could of pulled to win that as the team just had to lose that game to grow up . If not that game we would of lost to Penn or someone else like that. Just a needed growing pain.
I’m going to have to think about this one . You are saying “freshman dominated teams” where I was talking about freshman in general , on any team .
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