Former KU A-A calls on Bill Self to retire

[bbnkat02]

I have always said Bill Self is the ultimate feast or famine coach. He has a lot of early exits for Kansas, but then he also has doubled the number of NCAA Titles they have, and multiple Final-Fours.

Yep. He's VERY good in the regular season (kinda like Barnes and to a degree Cal), but when it comes to tournament runs....he chokes or wins it all. I mean out of all his tenure there, almost HALF of his tourney runs end in the first weekend. That's hard to justify as truly elite. Yeah, he got a second title (took him 14 years)

And that second title run was a gift. Had to beat:

16 seed Texas Southern
9 Seed Creighton
4 Seed Providence
10 Seed Miami (by 26)
2 Seed Nova
8 Seed UNC (who got hot)


Yeah not Exactly Murderer's Row there.

 

[Fox2monk]

Yep. He's VERY good in the regular season (kinda like Barnes and to a degree Cal), but when it comes to tournament runs....he chokes or wins it all. I mean out of all his tenure there, almost HALF of his tourney runs end in the first weekend. That's hard to justify as truly elite. Yeah, he got a second title (took him 14 years)

And that second title run was a gift. Had to beat:

16 seed Texas Southern
9 Seed Creighton
4 Seed Providence
10 Seed Miami (by 26)
2 Seed Nova
8 Seed UNC (who got hot)


Yeah not Exactly Murderer's Row there.

Well getting a 1 seed gave them the opportunity for that road, Creighton was not an easy round of 32 game, Nova in the final 4 is no cakewalk. Overall I’d say yes a great road with Nova being the one team that likely beats them on paper looking at it. UNC was nuclear hot but I would take any chance against Hubert Davis. That Said, Cal lost his chance against a nuclear hot team in UCONN against a similarly terrible coach.

 

[bbnkat02]

Well getting a 1 seed gave them the opportunity for that road, Creighton was not an easy round of 32 game, Nova in the final 4 is no cakewalk. Overall I’d say yes a great road with Nova being the one team that likely beats them on paper looking at it. UNC was nuclear hot but I would take any chance against Hubert Davis. That Said, Cal lost his chance against a nuclear hot team in UCONN against a similarly terrible coach.

Big difference in that last game. KU gets the refs. We got a roofer.

 

[noncomposmentis]

I’m no fan of Kansas or Bill Self, but that article sounds like sour grapes to me. Self is still one of the very best coaches in the game. His record speaks for itself, I really don’t see how anyone can interpret it as anything less than stellar.

Well, it kind of depends on what you value. If you value regular season success and consistency, Self is your guy. But I personally value tournament success, and for all his accomplishments Self has underachieved there. One obvious example: he’s been a 1 seed 10 times at Kansas, but while Calipari was at Kentucky, Self had fewer tournament wins than Cal, even though Cal only had 3 one seeds.

 

[villefan76]

How did Self not get fired when Arizona fired Sean Miller? They had Self on wiretap talking about giving money to recruits. He was/is as dirty as they come!

 

[cats#1again]

Yeah he threw that game.

What game are you referring to? Were people questioning him for point shaving?

 

[cats#1again]

How did Self not get fired when Arizona fired Sean Miller? They had Self on wiretap talking about giving money to recruits. He was/is as dirty as they come!

I remember fully. The great Bill Self was over looked. Their last title shouldn't have happened

 

[Myth Buster51]

I'm surprised Izzo is still around. Wouldn't surprise me if he bails soon.

Izzo has unrelenting grit. He’ll leave on his own terms, when he’s ready.

 

[Pygmy Sasquatch]

What game are you referring to? Were people questioning him for point shaving?

First game of the NCAA tournament v Arkansas. Was fairly obvious, others thought so as well.

 

[kywildcat41035]

Big difference in that last game. KU gets the refs. We got a roofer.

when did you change the name... I like it!

 

[Fox2monk]

when did you change the name... I like it!

Last week, he made a thread but it’s probably buried on the second page by now.

 

[kywildcatsfannumber1]

Shocked anyone would be calling for this with the home cooking they get from Big 12 refs and the NCAA turning a blind eye to their scandals in the past. Especially with the criminal behavior from many of the players he recruits, and the media shrugs it off.