ESPN Article on UK's Draft Prospects
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Sounds like BS to me, probably typical among these scouts. While I think Calipari needs to adjust his offense, I think Boston's issues go beyond the system he's playing in, and I think strength is overrated. This system didn't seem to be an issue with guys like Quickley and Herro in recent years.
To me it's more mental at this point with him, and probably largely due to confidence. Think there's an aspect where he's still adjusting to the speed of the game.
To me it's more mental at this point with him, and probably largely due to confidence. Think there's an aspect where he's still adjusting to the speed of the game.
IDK.. plenty of other prospects did fine here, and are doing fine in the NBA. Say what you will about Cal and some deficiences we've seen on his part... but Boston is STILL a top5 recruit. I see that they put some of the onus on him by saying "lack of physical strength" but it's much more than that.
Several other recruits are playing just fine.
Several other recruits are playing just fine.
Interesting that Kentucky’s “archaic offense” presented no challenge to Dontaie Allen, Devin Askew, Immanuel Quickley, Tyler Herro, PJ Washington, Nate Sestina, Wenyen Gabriel, Derek Willis, Tyler Ulis, Jamal Murray, Malik Monk, and Devin Booker.
Wonder why.
Wonder why.
No doubt Cal's style needs updated which I've harped on several times but Boston's problems seem to go deeper.
i truly believe that Boston is having problems with the mental part of the game and see that players that he is playing against now are just as fast or just as good or better than he is. Everyone is not the same so maybe it is going to take him a little longer to adjust to college game.
My main take from the tweet has nothing to do with Boston. The first thing that jumped out to me was the guy's characterization of Cal's offense as "archaic." His roster as "poorly constructed."
That's pretty harsh indictment on your coaching ability, to have NBA executives think your offense is "archaic."
That's pretty harsh indictment on your coaching ability, to have NBA executives think your offense is "archaic."
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Poor baby , that NBA exec done went and said something bad about Daddy Cal... I jest .. its so funny. If you dont think our offense sucks bad ass I dont even want to discuss with you .
31 Kentucky players on opening day NBA rosters played under the same system. People like Pat Riley and many others have praised to the skies the preparation of Kentucky players coming into the NBA. Players like Tyler Herro and Devin Booker and many others have far outpaced expectations coming into the NBA very recently. Kentucky players, all but one Cal recruits, obliterated the NBA Finals record for points by players from a college program THREE MONTHS AGO..but NOW Cal's system and offense is inhibiting BJ Boston's draft prospects?
LOL. It's okay to express an opinion. But when a basic review of the facts renders your opinion idiotic, it is time to change it.
LOL. It's okay to express an opinion. But when a basic review of the facts renders your opinion idiotic, it is time to change it.
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If John Hale is a legitimate expert his opinion would hold more credibility than ourselves with blue tinted glasses. I didn't know, however, that our offense was archaic? I just don't see that the current roster is good for a dribble drive offense and with the lack of outside shooting I'm not sure what other options exist. If Brooks ever returns and is end of the season Brooks, I could see a little more physical pounding the paint.
Herro, Booker, Murray, have all looked better in the league than they did here to be fair. Nate Sestina didn’t exactly look great here. And probably didn’t take nearly as many threes as he should have as a stretch 4. Cal often stuck with EJ because of “defense”. Despite Sestina putting up better numbers almost across the board in fewer minutes.
Willis and Monk both played on the one team Cal has allowed to actually get out and run and gun since the Wall team. We looked great that season. No denying that one. But more often than not we don’t play like that under Cal.
Ulis Murray team had the #1 adjusted offense on KenPom for basically the entire season until the loss to Indiana.
It’s not jon hales opinion. He’s quoting Jon givony, who IS a professional and one of the most respected scouts in the game.
fair point.
looking back at the numbers they also attempted more threes and played at a faster pace than Cal’s typical teams.
seems like he trusted those guys a lot more.
That Ulis team also had 3 juniors with experience and a senior on it. So different style of play AND different roster construction.
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So do we hate Givony now and think he's a hater?
So do we hate Givony now and think he's a hater?
He is a Florida grad and is known to dislike Cal and UK. But, he is the best of the best when it comes to NBA Draft so I highly doubt he is just making this up.
I think the point is, Boston is an EXTREME exception to the rule right now. None of us are thrilled with Cal's offense, but come on. One upper echelon recruit crashes and burn and now it's because of Cal's offense? As usual, we're jumping the gun a bit here.
In this case it's not us jumping the gun.It's NBA people according to Givony.
I think Boston will be fine. Seems like the coaching staff is giving him some bench time to get him refocused. I actually think he has shown some flashes of his potential the past couple games. Not where he needs to be by any means but the potential is definitely there. If he ultimately needs another year nothing wrong with that, a sophomore Boston would be awesome and likely a top 5 draft pick.
Sure, although plenty of people are mirroring his statements.
This isn't to defend Cal as much as it to say that Boston is just not good at the moment. I don't think him being on Gonzaga was going to fix his issues.
Doesn't matter what offense you're running, kid can't shoot.
Need to keep in mind these kids are freshman and arrived in a pandemic. For some freshmen it takes time. Quickley is a good example, a big jump from year 1 to 2.
Boston and Clarke both have talent. They, like the majority of newcomers need time to adjust. We can't expect all of these kids to dominate/play great from day one.
Boston and Clarke both have talent. They, like the majority of newcomers need time to adjust. We can't expect all of these kids to dominate/play great from day one.
Agreed, Cals system has nothing to do with him being unable to make a layup.
I guess but he’s shooting 15% from deep ... as a modern wing. In January.
At some point, it is what it is.
At some point, it is what it is.
Wow that is a pretty scathing statement.
"The hope among optimists is that Boston's inability to show anything beyond small glimmers of what made him such a coveted prospect in high school lies more in Kentucky's archaic offense, poorly constructed roster and his own lack of physical strength than deal-breaking talent shortcomings."
"The hope among optimists is that Boston's inability to show anything beyond small glimmers of what made him such a coveted prospect in high school lies more in Kentucky's archaic offense, poorly constructed roster and his own lack of physical strength than deal-breaking talent shortcomings."
The problem the one and done system has created is that players coming to UK think that they have to go to the NBA after one year or they lose "face." Suppose we applied the same to academics as we do athletics. Sure, every now and then, we read about some genius kid who graduates college at age 12 or 13. But, never do these articles say anything about the emotional maturity or judgement of such people. Years ago, there was a rather silly tv show about a kid who graduated medical school at a very young age. Really, would you want a 12 or 13 year old kid as your doctor in real life? Boston, Clarke, Jackson, etc. may be world class athletically, but they are still 18 year old kids. Think of the many child actors that have had unhappy, even horrible adult lives. Nobody seems to take into consideration the learning and maturing that might occur to these young athletes if they spent a few years in college. Their pro careers have last longer if they stayed in college long enough to hone their skills. They might well make more money, in the long run, if they stay in college for 2-3 years, and then the NBA for 10-12 years, than if they play one season of mediocre college ball, and then into the G-League for a year or two, then out of pro ball entirely.
With all that experience and offense, we had the worst NCAA tournament we've had under Cal.
It's just ironic. Id like a mix on both accounts. Athletes with a couple shooters, one and done level talent with a couple upperclassmen that started here, not just transferring in.
donut team. Alex Poythress was a senior with a ton of experience though. Marcus Lee a junior. Poythress was coming off a knee injury though and didn’t seem to fully shake off the rust until after the season and Lee just didn’t have it between the ears(good dude but just didn’t seem like the fiercest competitor). Dom Hawkins and Derek Willis were also juniors. Willis played quite a bit that season. Hawkins played a big role in the 2014 tourney run.
Just not good enough in the middle. Cal tried Lee, Skal and even humphries at center for different stretches and none of them were good enough.
Correct...everyone bashing the article for calling the offense "archaic" and saying other players did well under it are totally missing the point - all these players have done BETTER elsewhere; I'm willing to chalk a lot of that up to more time practicing and access to better trainers/facilities to some degree, but I think we can all agree we have totally underachieved with the level of talent that has come through here.
Herro shot like 15% from 3 in the NCAA tournament as I recall. Not the best example of our offense showcasing great shooters, nor are a few others on that list.
I’m not familiar with the guy that wrote the article. I’m not talking about John Hale, the other guy. So does his comment carry any weight? I’m not sure but if so and that’s actually how NBA executives feel that’s not good.
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Did you just say those guys were well prepared for the NBA because of Cal’s offensive sets?
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