Duke winning Champ. with freshman hurts us in recuiting
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Nah, not like they weren't getting the studs anyway...remember they had just as many HS MCDAA as we did last year. They've been getting guys like Parker, Irving, etc...just haven't put it together to win it all.
And we aren't losing recruits to them...ours are going to KU, St. Johns, MSU, LSU, etc...just a strange year.
But, remember we have studs coming in and guys coming back, not like we've missed on everyone this year.
But, remember we have studs coming in and guys coming back, not like we've missed on everyone this year.
How bad did it hurt duke and others when Kentucky won with freshman?
Yep. Duke still recruited well and had the top class last season. UK will continue to do well. Will Duke do well when K retires?
Duke has had stacked rosters for the last 30 years. Where the hell have you people been?
Am taking my blue tinted glasses off and saying coach K has been getting some one and dones and its starting to pay off and now with the championship more one and dones are going to go there. Also our offense looked very slow compared to Dukes last year and we had way more talent to run and gun.
Seems to run in cycles.Back in December we were being accused by Lousiville of having an unfair atvantage and ruining college basketball.
Maybe it's a good thing we didn't win it all.
Ha! Ha!
Tim
I'd say it actually helped us because Coach K realized OADs could offer a viable route to a title.
Jeff Capel will have us doing just fine when the GOAT moves on.
Slowing our offense down hurt us bad this year, probally imo it cost us a title
Capel seems to be the clear frontrunner at this point by all accounts. It's not a coincidence that our recruiting has been on another level since he agreed to be an assistant. He's been the closer on most of our top recruits.
Eh, I don't think it will have that noticeable an impact. Cal is at the top when it comes to recruiting, but there are several guys up there. I think it might have some impact, and Okafor and Jones "teaming up" and winning a title will have an impact too, especially on guys who have an idea that they should be a package deal.
But overall there are a LOT of recruits, and Cal will still get more than his fair share of them.
But overall there are a LOT of recruits, and Cal will still get more than his fair share of them.
Can you clarify? I for one would be enthused by Capel taking the reins.Me at the thought of Duke hiring Jeff Capel ...
I dunno, something about the consistent under-performance of his Oklahoma teams and the litany of NCAA violations left in his wake after he was fired by OU.
Duke can do better than that I'd hope. Brey, Amaker, Dawkins ... really any other former Duke assistant I think would be a better choice.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...rs-ncaa-finds-major-violations-men-basketball
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...rs-ncaa-finds-major-violations-men-basketball
I'll agree to disagree. Dawkins has not progressed as much as I would have liked. Amaker was not good in a major conference. Collins and Wojo are still too green. I think the main thing with Capel is his recruiting ability, and I think getting canned at Oklahoma and making mistakes in the past has humbled him and only made him better.
You act like this was the first year he recruited OAD's...he's had elite recruits for years. This team just had it all...elite PG, elite C, elite wing...and experienced players to compliment.
Similar to UK with David/MKG/Jones - and guys like Miller/Lamb/Teague to support.
Capel is a sick recruiter and a pretty good coach. He got the talent to come to OU and he's doing it big for us.. If he is the next HC no reason to believe he won't continue to pull in top talent. Also K let's him run the majority of practice and says that he's seen him grow immensely since joining the staff.
Folks, Duke is probably the next best basketball program right behind UK...Coach K is one of the greatest and most iconic coaches in sports history...
It is no news that they haul in recruits...
Some kids like Duke...some like KU...some like Michigan, CAL, UCLA, UConn, etc...
There are about 30 elite players with OAD talent and pro potential in each class...they can't all come here...
signing 3 of the best is a solid class...4,5,6 guys are just excess icing on an already delicious cake...
we need to get over this idea that the world is doomed whenever a prospect signs somewhere else...
the 3 guys we have, plus the 5 guys we have coming back will be a solid team...a serious contender to make another deep run...
This year and other years, we are a victim of our own success...we have talent returning and coming in...which may not be attractive for a lot of guys looking to get a lot of minutes and put up their numbers...
this is the last run for Duke and K...which is why he has sold out to the dark side...he senses his time is up, and wants to win as much as possible...I think a part of him realizes that had he sold out 10-15 years ago, he'd have at least 3-4 more titles, and would be closing in on Wooden to end his career...
Kentucky will be Kentucky 10,15,20 years from now...Duke will be a once great program...which is why Cal needs to roll out after another title or two...he needs to be another one of many championship winning coaches...it's what sets UK apart from all others...UK basketball wins and isn't defined by a coach, era, philosophy or system...
It is no news that they haul in recruits...
Some kids like Duke...some like KU...some like Michigan, CAL, UCLA, UConn, etc...
There are about 30 elite players with OAD talent and pro potential in each class...they can't all come here...
signing 3 of the best is a solid class...4,5,6 guys are just excess icing on an already delicious cake...
we need to get over this idea that the world is doomed whenever a prospect signs somewhere else...
the 3 guys we have, plus the 5 guys we have coming back will be a solid team...a serious contender to make another deep run...
This year and other years, we are a victim of our own success...we have talent returning and coming in...which may not be attractive for a lot of guys looking to get a lot of minutes and put up their numbers...
this is the last run for Duke and K...which is why he has sold out to the dark side...he senses his time is up, and wants to win as much as possible...I think a part of him realizes that had he sold out 10-15 years ago, he'd have at least 3-4 more titles, and would be closing in on Wooden to end his career...
Kentucky will be Kentucky 10,15,20 years from now...Duke will be a once great program...which is why Cal needs to roll out after another title or two...he needs to be another one of many championship winning coaches...it's what sets UK apart from all others...UK basketball wins and isn't defined by a coach, era, philosophy or system...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Funniest post of the day thanks for that!! Coach K has established the best program of the modern era. There are about 4 maybe 5 programs that if you are asked to coach you coach and duke is one of them. Stay in your delusional world where Duke won't matter in 15-20 yrs
i'm sure Hoosier and Bruin fans laughed once to...
not saying duke won't be a good program...they just won't be what K has made them...
not saying duke won't be a good program...they just won't be what K has made them...
IU is the only one that is slightly close IMO but still Knight was fired K will not be. Therefore it was a rushed effort to replace and Knight wasn't there to help with a transition. K will be and he will help in anyway possible so it's not really the same. Mike Davis was in way over his head, Sampson was never a good coach IMO and a cheater and now Clappy as you refer to him had one year of success and that was with Wade, they haven't exactly reached out to the beat or got a great coach to fill in. Also the sustained success even during Knights time wasn't even close to what K has done. Knight never recruited at a high level but as a game coach he was to me top 3. But he did have NIT years and K hasn't... As for UCLA that wasn't even remotely sustainable they have no real fan support when they aren't great and they were absolutely nothing before wooden. Duke has at least had success before K.
The drop-off for Duke in the post-K Era will be momentous. I'd liken it to the scene in that terrible film The Immortals when the titans came rushing out of the underground upon being freed; only instead of titans it will be all the ACC programs that got hosed for eons by refs who in an act of cheese-nibbling contrition, gave coach K all the calls down the stretch of close ACC games.
Can't wait! I'm already popping popcorn.
Can't wait! I'm already popping popcorn.
Duke has already been recruiting on an elite level before this championship. They had the #1 recruiting class last year and have been one of the top 3 best recruiting programs in the last 10 years. They won the most recent title and even just won one 5 short years ago.
I don't understand this notion that they suddenly started becoming good at recruiting elite talent
I don't understand this notion that they suddenly started becoming good at recruiting elite talent
Duke could continue being an elite program after he leaves if they are smart and hire the best coach they can find. But they will hire from within and then wallow in mediocrity.
There is going to be a drop off when K leaves, the only thing debatable is how much of one. What do duke fans think of Brey as his replacement? He is hot right now, maybe hasn't been so in the past but hey you look at improvement not the past.
His Calbert Cheaney, Damon Bailey, Alan Henderson classes were top ranked recruiting classes.
Actually, what's baffling is your notion that Duke as a program can exist on its current level when K steps down. Coach K is the greatest modern coach, but Duke will not sustain this success in his departure. That's a testament to the man's coaching.
That said, is it perfunctory for Duke fans to spout off such propaganda much like the Germans in WW2 who echoed out radio broadcasts of hope and victory even while the Red Army encircled Berlin? Perhaps if you tell the lie long enough, that garners hope in and of itself?
A coping mechanism for what undoubtedly is coming?
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