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Draymond Green Opting Out.

Wouldn't surprise me if he and Golden State both just want him on a different deal that his opt in, and that's all this is all he'll end up back there.
I think his ego and his sense of what he means to the team (in his mind he’s as important as Steph) will prevent him from taking a deal that they could offer him at this point.
 
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Draymond Green is the most overrated player I’ve ever seen play the game. He will get exposed without the splash brothers carrying him. That is, of course, if he doesn’t end up on another team where two legitimate all stars don’t end up carrying him again.

He is far too cocky for his very pedestrian averages.

I like Charles Barkley’s nickname for him: “Mr triple single.”
 
Don’t like his schtick but he’s a one of one skill wise. Has some miles on those tires but may have 2-3 years left. Kings would be a good fit.

My Rockets could definitely use him.. but I'm really torn. On one hand, he could be such a big help in the locker room. He's the guy you want by your side, so to speak. But his mileage really is a concern, You could argue that if not for Golden State and the system they created over the last 10 years.. he's borderline unplayable at this point. Draymond is a perfect fit for GSW.. but I'm not sure that just translates cleanly to any other team.
 
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My Rockets could definitely use him.. but I'm really torn. On one hand, he could be such a big help in the locker room. He's the guy you want by your side, so to speak. But his mileage really is a concern, You could argue that if not for Golden State and the system they created over the last 10 years.. he's borderline unplayable at this point. Draymond is a perfect fit for GSW.. but I'm not sure that just translates cleanly to any other team.
Agreed....put Draymond on a team that is barely in the playoffs or not making it at all....he could be an all time disaster for that franchise.
 
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Draymond Green is the most overrated player I’ve ever seen play the game. He will get exposed without the splash brothers carrying him. That is, of course, if he doesn’t end up on another team where two legitimate all stars don’t end up carrying him again.

He is far too cocky for his very pedestrian averages.

I like Charles Barkley’s nickname for him: “Mr triple single.”
Green is a very good player. I don't see anyone talking him up enough to be overrated. His passing ability is a large part of what keeps that team going. He does things other than scoring.
 
My Rockets could definitely use him.. but I'm really torn. On one hand, he could be such a big help in the locker room. He's the guy you want by your side, so to speak. But his mileage really is a concern, You could argue that if not for Golden State and the system they created over the last 10 years.. he's borderline unplayable at this point. Draymond is a perfect fit for GSW.. but I'm not sure that just translates cleanly to any other team.
You guys should just keep tanking and gather as many young assets as possible. See if you can trade that 4th pick to #2 somehow so you can get Miller. Shop Green over the next season and see if someone's willing to take him for a high pick.

Tank as bad as you can tank. Bringing in Green adds +4-7 in your win totals. You don't want that.
 
You guys should just keep tanking and gather as many young assets as possible. See if you can trade that 4th pick to #2 somehow so you can get Miller. Shop Green over the next season and see if someone's willing to take him for a high pick.

Tank as bad as you can tank. Bringing in Green adds +4-7 in your win totals. You don't want that.

I'm still somewhat concerned about Miller's character. Because the one thing the Rockets need most right now is leadership. We haven't really seen that yet from Green or Jabari, and we certainly don't have it in guys like KPJ. So I'm just not sure adding Brandon Miller is the smart move.

Preferably, I'd like to just trade the 4th pick and package it in a deal to land some experience and proven talent.

It's funny you mention shopping Green.. because I'm starting to think he just might not be all that he was cracked up to be.
 
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You just won it all. If I'm the coach I avoid Green.

Are you talking about Denver? Houston is far from winning anything, much less "all" of it haha.

I personally would only want to add Draymond if my team needs leadership and already has it's pieces in place, where Draymond can be more of a complimentary piece. So staying with Golden State, or maybe like Boston to give them some sense of urgency and fire.
 
Draymond is super overrated and there is no chance he's actually going anywhere. He does nothing particularly well and gets away with the most laughable illegal screens since Naismith nailed up the peach basket.

If he wasn't surrounded with one of some of the greatest offensive talent in NBA history, he'd be viewed as the pedestrian player he is. He's basically a rich man's Kendrick Perkins
 
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Green is a very good player. I don't see anyone talking him up enough to be overrated. His passing ability is a large part of what keeps that team going. He does things other than scoring.
Just because you don’t see them doing it doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it. And you saw me do it, because you replied to my post.

But if you require the opinions of people who are way overpaid to cover sports then go ahead and google “Draymond green overrated.” I just did and the results do not support your assertion that no one thinks he’s overrated.

He’s Mr triple single for a reason. He’s not worth the price and he’s not worth the media circus. The golden state warriors didn’t win because they had him and any argument that asserts they did is not one that I will agree with.
 
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Draymond Green is the most overrated player I’ve ever seen play the game. He will get exposed without the splash brothers carrying him. That is, of course, if he doesn’t end up on another team where two legitimate all stars don’t end up carrying him again.

He is far too cocky for his very pedestrian averages.

I like Charles Barkley’s nickname for him: “Mr triple single.”
Yep….

4-time all star
2-time all NBA
NBA DPOY
8-time all NBA defense
2-time Olympic gold medalist

Sounds pretty overrated to me. I don’t like him, but he has had a very hood NBA career.
 
Just because you don’t them doing it doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it. And you saw me do it, because you replied to my post.

But if you require the opinions of people who are way overpaid to cover sports then go ahead and google “Draymond green overrated.” I just did and the results do not support your assertion that no one thinks he’s overrated.

He’s Mr triple single for a reason. He’s not worth the price and he’s not worth the media circus. The golden state warriors didn’t win because they had him and any argument that asserts they did is not one that I will agree with.
I have no idea what you trying to say in your first paragraph

Talking someone up means saying they are really good....
I don't see anyone saying he's really good. Therefore he isn't overrated
 
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Just because you don’t them doing it doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it. And you saw me do it, because you replied to my post.

But if you require the opinions of people who are way overpaid to cover sports then go ahead and google “Draymond green overrated.” I just did and the results do not support your assertion that no one thinks he’s overrated.

He’s Mr triple single for a reason. He’s not worth the price and he’s not worth the media circus. The golden state warriors didn’t win because they had him and any argument that asserts they did is not one that I will agree with.
He's not known as Mr triple single. One guy made a remark and that was The end of it.
Jalen Rose once stated that he would be the first player to avg a triple double and it damn near happened. Then of course Westbrook accomplished it.
I just know he guards guys much bigger than him on defense and is a major part of their offensive ball movement
 
Well, he HAS been called the "triple single" a few times, but I think that's more because he has given just about everything he has to make an NBA career up until this point. People forget, it's not like Draymond was some highly ranked recruit or draft pick.

I think he's somewhere in the middle. He's a system player at this point who should not command any large salary at 33 years of age (and with a LOT of playoff basketball mileage on him). But he's a damn fine player who was able to carve a great role out for himself, knowing how to win and having a high IQ. He may have just been a "piece" for Golden State, but it was an integral piece.
 
Yep….

4-time all star
2-time all NBA
NBA DPOY
8-time all NBA defense
2-time Olympic gold medalist

Sounds pretty overrated to me. I don’t like him, but he has had a very hood NBA career.
And he’s won those awards while averaging 8.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 6.8 assists.

He is, by my definition, overrated because I do not feel he deserves the accolades he has been awarded.

If he had won zero awards we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
 
I have no idea what you trying to say in your first paragraph

Talking someone up means saying they are really good....
I don't see anyone saying he's really good. Therefore he isn't overrated
First it was “I don’t see anyone saying he’s overrated.” Then when that got fact checked you moved the goal posts to “I don’t see anyone saying he’s really good.”

He’s been on the all star team (didn’t deserve it) and people have talked him up as being part of a big 3 of sorts at Golden State.

Believe what you want and bury your head in the sand. Everything you’ve argued is easily refuted with a simple google search.

Are you a contrarian by nature?
 
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He's not known as Mr triple single. One guy made a remark and that was The end of it.
Jalen Rose once stated that he would be the first player to avg a triple double and it damn near happened. Then of course Westbrook accomplished it.
I just know he guards guys much bigger than him on defense and is a major part of their offensive ball movement
I never said he was as known as that lmao. I said Charles Barkley called him that. Can’t come up with a good argument so you have to put words in my post that I didn’t type just so you can respond? Ok.

It never happened. Getting close doesn’t count. He’s averaged a triple single everytime I’ve looked up his stats. That’s bad.l and he is overrated. His salary and awards are indicative of that when compared to his stats.
 
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And he’s won those awards while averaging 8.5 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 6.8 assists.

He is, by my definition, overrated because I do not feel he deserves the accolades he has been awarded.

If he had won zero awards we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

In regards to points.. keep in mind that Draymond averages 7 shot attempts per game across his career. Curry Averages 18 and Klay averages 16. I think Draymond COULD be a 20-24pt/night scorer in his prime, if called upon.
Sometimes it's more than the stats. I think he was much closer to being Steph and Klays equal, in terms of value provided. It was just a bit more as a role player, allowing Steph and Klay to shine. It's like Draymond not only KNOWS he's a 3rd option, but almost relishes in being that 3rd option (sometimes a 4th option).
 
In regards to points.. keep in mind that Draymond averages 7 shot attempts per game across his career. Curry Averages 18 and Klay averages 16. I think Draymond COULD be a 20-24pt/night scorer in his prime, if called upon.
Sometimes it's more than the stats. I think he was much closer to being Steph and Klays equal, in terms of value provided. It was just a bit more as a role player, allowing Steph and Klay to shine. It's like Draymond not only KNOWS he's a 3rd option, but almost relishes in being that 3rd option (sometimes a 4th option).
But he was never called upon to do that. Which means the team and coaching staff didn’t feel comfortable giving him that many shots.

Draymond is a role player but has a trophy case full of personal awards. He reminds me of Kendrick Perkins for the Celtics when they had Rondo, Allen, Pierce, and KG. He’s a dependable role player.

But Draymond’s salary, trophy case, and his own thoughts on himself don’t match what he is contributing to his team.
 
I get there is more to Draymond than stats.....but you need to put up some stats to deserve 30M over multipe years do you not?

This is what he did last year
8 pts, 7 reb, 7 ass, 1 steal 3 TO a game. 52% FG 30%3pt...and the Warriors are now considered a below average defensive team and they get beat on backboards routinely. So as 'glue guy' PF...is he really doing his job anymore?

And in playoffs...the numbers are a bit worse
Lakers series 9 pts, 7 reb 6 ass48%FG and 22%3pt

I just don't get why they can't get a better PF to do dirty work and let Draymond move on to a new team. But all the talking heads claim how amazing and worth he is to Golden St to re-up yet another big contract. I scratch my head. If anything, this may be a blessing in disguise if they can plug his salary slot with a younger and certainly better offensive player.
 
LDraymond is super overrated and there is no chance he's actually going anywhere. He does nothing particularly well and gets away with the most laughable illegal screens since Naismith nailed up the peach basket.
If he wasn't surrounded with one of some of the greatest offensive talent in NBA history, he'd be viewed as the pedestrian player he is. He's basically a rich man's Kendrick Perkins
Talk about a limited understanding lol.
 
Oh for sure.. you can't give Draymond a big contract at all. That's why I keep mentioning being in the middle on this. You'd love to have Draymon on your team, but not for that price.. and also not when there's still a risk that Draymond might just be a system player.
 
You guys should just keep tanking and gather as many young assets as possible. See if you can trade that 4th pick to #2 somehow so you can get Miller. Shop Green over the next season and see if someone's willing to take him for a high pick.

Tank as bad as you can tank. Bringing in Green adds +4-7 in your win totals. You don't want that.

Speaking of Brandon Miller.. he's getting blasted on social media for saying he things Paul George is the GOAT lolol.

Idk, everything from Nate Oats being his coach (no morals it seems), to the gun incident, to Houston REALLY needing quality characters on the team.. I'm just not sure he's the best fit for us.
 
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Yep….

4-time all star
2-time all NBA
NBA DPOY
8-time all NBA defense
2-time Olympic gold medalist

Sounds pretty overrated to me. I don’t like him, but he has had a very hood NBA career.
Unless I am missing something his career stats are: 8.7 PPG, 7RPG, 5.6A and 44.5% career shooter- no idea how he is a 4 time all-star, 2 time all NBA, etc ...........
 
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Unless I am missing something his career stats are: 8.7 PPG, 7RPG, 5.6A and 44.5% career shooter- no idea how he is a 4 time all-star, 2 time all NBA, etc ...........
He’s a potential HOF off of his teams accomplishments. I can see his all defense and stuff but all NBA is ridiculous for what he actually does, if he ever makes it then Big shot Bob better get in.
 
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