Does Stoops new contract mean all of the great young players return and NIL is going to be on par with other schools?

[catben]

If we can retain all of our stud freshmen, reel in a decent QB through the portal and CHANGE the OC/ Line coach, I am fine with the extension. However if only ONE of these things DOES NOT happen, it will be disappointing to pay Mark Stoops a top 6 salary.

 

[catben]

Still wondering if the contract extension is a good sign that NIL is where Stoops wants it?

 

[The-Hack]

These questions occurred to me.

The next few months will be interesting.

Somehow I doubt Stoops would have lashed himself to a ship he perceives is sinking.

 

[lazydave841]

These questions occurred to me.

The next few months will be interesting.

Somehow I doubt Stoops would have lashed himself to a ship he perceives is sinking.

He's got the best gig in CFB. The fan base might have risen expectations a tad too high, but one has to wonder what the ultimate goal is.

For Stoops, he's making bank. Didn't even have to win anything to do so. And in 2 years when other contracts come up, he'll be back where he was in the midst of other coaches. Just timing.

 

[The-Hack]

For Stoops, he's making bank. Didn't even have to win anything to do so.

Stoops is basically on the level of Frank Beamer, the Dude at Oklahoma State, and Bill Snyder.

Other than Bowl trophies, and significantly increased success at moribund programs, none of these future HOF’s won anything of great significance.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Doubtful. Stoops knows as long as he makes bowl games at UK he is here until he retires.

 

[lazydave841]

Stoops is basically on the level of Frank Beamer, the Dude at Oklahoma State, and Bill Snyder.

Other than Bowl trophies, and significantly increased success at moribund programs, none of these future HOF’s won anything of great significance.

UK is in much better shape than many former blue bloods today, playing generally tougher competition. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Cefiro]

No, it means he’s getting paid $9million/yr to be here.

 

[IFerg1969]

Stoops is very close to being a top 10 paid coach in college football. I'm sorry, but that's big boy money being paid out to him. Expectations need to rise for everyone associated with the program. Recruiting needs to increase, coaching needs to get significantly better. I'm sorry, but a season like this one is not okay when you're being paid that kind of coin. The excuses need to stop and improvement needs to happen. 6-6, 7-5 no longer need to be the goals for the fanbase.

We need to see a New Year's day bowl soon and get to a point where we actually compete for a win every once in a while against UGA or Bama or teams like them. It's great beating UT a couple of times and UF a few times. But, I want to beat them when they're good, not just when they are a shell of what they once were.

 

[catben]

Stoops is very close to being a top 10 paid coach in college football. I'm sorry, but that's big boy money being paid out to him. Expectations need to rise for everyone associated with the program. Recruiting needs to increase, coaching needs to get significantly better. I'm sorry, but a season like this one is not okay when you're being paid that kind of coin. The excuses need to stop and improvement needs to happen. 6-6, 7-5 no longer need to be the goals for the fanbase.

We need to see a New Year's day bowl soon and get to a point where we actually compete for a win every once in a while against UGA or Bama or teams like them. It's great beating UT a couple of times and UF a few times. But, I want to beat them when they're good, not just when they are a shell of what they once were.

AMEN!!!

With that kind of money, we need to be in the SEC Championship game SOON!!!!!

I was just hoping this extension meant the NIL stuff would be big enough for Stoops to recruit and KEEP our best players.

 

[Cefiro]

Stoops is very close to being a top 10 paid coach in college football. I'm sorry, but that's big boy money being paid out to him. Expectations need to rise for everyone associated with the program. Recruiting needs to increase, coaching needs to get significantly better. I'm sorry, but a season like this one is not okay when you're being paid that kind of coin. The excuses need to stop and improvement needs to happen. 6-6, 7-5 no longer need to be the goals for the fanbase.

We need to see a New Year's day bowl soon and get to a point where we actually compete for a win every once in a while against UGA or Bama or teams like them. It's great beating UT a couple of times and UF a few times. But, I want to beat them when they're good, not just when they are a shell of what they once were.

Been saying this for years and the classic response is we’ve always sucked so winning 7 games is fine.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Stoops tone on his show about NIL sounded as if he is very scared of what might happen to the program. Asking for money but how could we raise enough to keep the best players from places that will have 10 times more to give to players? He said lots of schools are going after a lot of our players. All that great recruiting last year could be gone down the drain soon.

 

[oddis500]

It means another decade of never winning our division. Beyond that, who knows? Oh, it also means our athletic director is a mouth-breathing ****tard.

 

[Cefiro]

Stoops tone on his show about NIL sounded as if he is very scared of what might happen to the program. Asking for money but how could we raise enough to keep the best players from places that will have 10 times more to give to players? He said lots of schools are going after a lot of our players. All that great recruiting last year could be gone down the drain soon.

Sounds like he’s making excuses and preparing fans

 

[lazydave841]

Stoops is very close to being a top 10 paid coach in college football. I'm sorry, but that's big boy money being paid out to him. Expectations need to rise for everyone associated with the program.

It's the going rate.

In 2 years, he'll be down around top 30.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

It means another decade of never winning our division. Beyond that, who knows? Oh, it also means our athletic director is a mouth-breathing ****tard.

Divisions are about to be a thing of the past. Could be as soon as 2024, and almost a certainty 2025.

 

[Cefiro]

It's the going rate.

In 2 years, he'll be down around top 30.

But, it’s not now. He’s the 8th highest paid coach in the country. I don’t think it’s wrong to have higher expectations as UK invests more money in football.

 

[lazydave841]

But, it’s not now. He’s the 8th highest paid coach in the country. I don’t think it’s wrong to have higher expectations as UK invests more money in football.

It absolutely isn't.

I'm just pointing out the cost of winning 7 games is just exorbitantly higher than it was *just* 5 years ago.

Blame Jimbo, his contract got this started.

 

[oddis500]

It’s not the amount being paid that makes this a bad contract.
It’s who the amount is going to that makes this a bad contract.
Stoops has had two winning conference records in ten years.
No other school in the SEC would tolerate this, much less give him an extension and a raise.
If you’re a UK fan and don’t see the issue here, then you’re part of the problem.

 

[lazydave841]

No other school in the SEC would tolerate this, much less give him an extension and a raise.

Go look at what Miss St paid the Pirate after firing Joe Moorhead for having a better record. 3-7, 4-4, 3-4 currently with the Egg Bowl remaining.

The price of doing business is higher. It's no guarantee that you are going to win 8 or more games, it's just trying to maintain the opportunity to get there.

The schedule is about to get tougher. Might play 9 conference games in the future which could be division-less.

 

[qwesley]

MB - "Does Mark want more money?"
Sexton (knowing no one will ever offer him what he makes now) - "Sure, thanks".

 

[oddis500]

Go look at what Miss St paid the Pirate after firing Joe Moorhead for having a better record. 3-7, 4-4, 3-4 currently with the Egg Bowl remaining.

The price of doing business is higher. It's no guarantee that you are going to win 8 or more games, it's just trying to maintain the opportunity to get there.

The schedule is about to get tougher. Might play 9 conference games in the future which could be division-less.

So if the schedule might be getting tougher, why pay a guy who failed when it was easier?

 

[Crums Bald Spot]

Stoops is basically on the level of Frank Beamer, the Dude at Oklahoma State, and Bill Snyder.

Other than Bowl trophies, and significantly increased success at moribund programs, none of these future HOF’s won anything of great significance.

Between this statement and your "Stoop.to Auburn" threads, I think we have an amateur comedian among us.

Friendly advice - keep your day job.

 

[IFerg1969]

It's the going rate.

In 2 years, he'll be down around top 30.

For 6-6 to 8-4 programs? Name one SEC school not in Nashville that would pay that kind of money for more than 3 years before they fired their head coach for 6-6 to 8-4 on average. It might be the going rate, but the level of urgency increases and it especially should for a guy that's already had 10 years to get the program where it is right now. Stoops and Co need to take UK up another notch or 2 before I feel like that kind of money is justified.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Between this statement and your "Stoop.to Auburn" threads, I think we have an amateur comedian among us.

Friendly advice - keep your day job.

I didnt want to say anything but Beamer went to a national title game and won his conference several times as did Snyder. Gundy is probably a more fair comparison.

I dont think UK would get the caliber of players they benefit from being in the SEC if we were in the big 12 or acc either before someone pipes in about those other coaches coaching in easier conferences.

 

[sefus12]

So if the schedule might be getting tougher, why pay a guy who failed when it was easier?

Do the 10 win seasons not offset the bad one this year? Not saying he should have gotten an extension/raise, but to act like he’s on par with Joker or Brooks isn’t fair either.

 

[lazydave841]

So if the schedule might be getting tougher, why pay a guy who failed when it was easier?

Who are you going to hire? If you get somebody with any success, it's going to cost more than what Stoops just got. And that doesn't guarantee 10+ win seasons with regularity. The recruiting base isn't great. NIL isn't big at UK yet. A&M has shown throwing the biggest money at a once successful coach can fall on its face. And they are in a top 3 recruiting hotbed with a top 5-10 NIL support system.

So, what do you do?

For 6-6 to 8-4 programs? Name one SEC school not in Nashville that would pay that kind of money for more than 3 years before they fired their head coach for 6-6 to 8-4 on average. It might be the going rate, but the level of urgency increases and it especially should for a guy that's already had 10 years to get the program where it is right now. Stoops and Co need to take UK up another notch or 2 before I feel like that kind of money is justified.

Florida fired Mullen and Napier didn't right the ship instantly. Auburn, who's hunting for another coach again already. At some point, you have to understand that it might be better to be Iowa than Nebraska. At least until Saban retires.

 

[optimus-blue]

Schools need to start playing the players the money they are paying the coaches . If you got enough Jimmies and Joe’s . Before the new rules Cal out spent everyone for 2012 championship .Now everyone is buying players and he has to coach and you see the result. College basketball and college football are going in opposite directions with the NIL in basketball the talent is being diluted in college football its being concentrated based on the number guys you have to pay and budget . Anybody can buy 5 basketball players but few have resources to buy 50 football players .

 

[oddis500]

Do the 10 win seasons not offset the bad one this year? Not saying he should have gotten an extension/raise, but to act like he’s on par with Joker or Brooks isn’t fair either.

In my opinion, what isn’t fair is pretending that these 10 wins mean what they would have meant when Joker and Brooks were here. We’ve added games, and our OOC opponents are weak AF. The gulf between P5 and everyone else is nothing like it used to be.

The conference record is the only metric you can really use that would come close to comparing apples to apples, and the conference schedules Joker and Brooks faced were much tougher than what Stoops has had to deal with.

I just think you have to look at the totality of the circumstances, and just saying we won 10 games fails to truly reflect where the East has been. Tennessee has been ABYSMAL during Stoops’ time here. They went 0-8 one year! And yet Stoops has failed to capitalize at all (hell we lost to the UT team that Georgia State beat). Vandy went years without winning a game. Missouri and SCAR have been train wrecks.

Even given this environment, Stoops has failed to have a winning conference record 80% of the time.

 

[The-Hack]

Even given this environment, Stoops has failed to have a winning conference record 80% of the time.

Lol.

And the rest failed to have a winning conference record 100 percent of the time from 1953 until Stoops.

 

[Cefiro]

Go look at what Miss St paid the Pirate after firing Joe Moorhead for having a better record. 3-7, 4-4, 3-4 currently with the Egg Bowl remaining.

The price of doing business is higher. It's no guarantee that you are going to win 8 or more games, it's just trying to maintain the opportunity to get there.

The schedule is about to get tougher. Might play 9 conference games in the future which could be division-less.

If Stoops was the coach at Miss St he’d be fired by now playing in the west. He still has yet to win a road game against an SEC West opponent (0-11 I believe).

Guess we’ll find out when they get rid of the divisions!

 

[Cefiro]

Lol.

And the rest failed to have a winning conference record 100 percent of the time from 1953 until Stoops.

When in doubt, go back to the past. Fact is, UK has never given their football coach more tools than they’ve given stoops. He has the facilities, money, easy schedule, and money for the assistants the other coaches never had. So, in my book the past is irrelevant.

 

[Cefiro]

In my opinion, what isn’t fair is pretending that these 10 wins mean what they would have meant when Joker and Brooks were here. We’ve added games, and our OOC opponents are weak AF. The gulf between P5 and everyone else is nothing like it used to be.

The conference record is the only metric you can really use that would come close to comparing apples to apples, and the conference schedules Joker and Brooks faced were much tougher than what Stoops has had to deal with.

I just think you have to look at the totality of the circumstances, and just saying we won 10 games fails to truly reflect where the East has been. Tennessee has been ABYSMAL during Stoops’ time here. They went 0-8 one year! And yet Stoops has failed to capitalize at all (hell we lost to the UT team that Georgia State beat). Vandy went years without winning a game. Missouri and SCAR have been train wrecks.

Even given this environment, Stoops has failed to have a winning conference record 80% of the time.

Been saying this for years, but most of our fans can’t comprehend this..

 

[The-Hack]

In my opinion, what isn’t fair is pretending that these 10 wins mean what they would have meant when Joker and Brooks were here. We’ve added games, and our OOC opponents are weak AF.

Don’t just stare it, actually compare.

What OOC juggernaught did Joker face that we have dropped from the schedule?

As for the SEC, according to the NFL draft numbers, and annual recruiting rankings, the entire conference has been significantly stronger than it was under Brooks/Joker.

The conference has reset its own record repeatedly for the total number of draftees and first round draftees the last ten years.

And as recently as 2022, the last place finisher in the SEC in recruiting was in the TOP 25% of BCS football (Vandy at 32nd.).

The SEC faced by Stoops by any objective comparison is deeper and more talented than that faced by Brooks and Joker.

 

[thepip]

It absolutely isn't.

I'm just pointing out the cost of winning 7 games is just exorbitantly higher than it was *just* 5 years ago.

Blame Jimbo, his contract got this started.

No, I don't blame Jimbo, it comes from an inept amateurish call from the front office.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

AMEN!!!

With that kind of money, we need to be in the SEC Championship game SOON!!!!!

I was just hoping this extension meant the NIL stuff would be big enough for Stoops to recruit and KEEP our best players.

He could have the 2nd highest salary in the Easter division, right now top 5 in SEC. But you know Vols are going to give Chumlee a big raise, Kiffin is about to become number 1 and has won nothing, ever. Point being, in 2 years withe the addition of Texas and OU, 9m may not be top half of conference. Crazy ADs and Jimmy Sexton have done this.

 

[lazydave841]

When in doubt, go back to the past. Fact is, UK has never given their football coach more tools than they’ve given stoops. He has the facilities, money, easy schedule, and money for the assistants the other coaches never had. So, in my book the past is irrelevant.

And UK probably ranks 20-40 when comparing what Stoops has to what other coaches have.

Just because it's more than the previous UK HCs doesn't mean it's a lot to work with.

The reality is, UK is a basketball school in a football conference with a weak recruiting base. Go back and read the posts from 5 years ago. Most of yall were in tune with the nature of things. 2-10 win seasons has shattered expectations.

Be careful. 4-8 isn't far away when 7-5 bothers ya.

 

[buster3.0]

Stoops is basically on the level of Frank Beamer, the Dude at Oklahoma State, and Bill Snyder.

Other than Bowl trophies, and significantly increased success at moribund programs, none of these future HOF’s won anything of great significance.

All of those coaches you listed have won a conference championship. Something Stoops will never sniff. Not trying to be an arse, it's just the reality of the SEC and what UK's competition is.