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Diallo V. Newman

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A question for the board. For weeks most have said they want Newman before anyone. With the recent surge and play in diallos game which would be a better fit at UK and why? I would love to have Newman but diallo is that other big man that would absolutely dominate on defense and offense. Newman is the better all around player. With the possibility of that juco who shoots lights out from 3, is diallo the bigger get?
 
There is a reason he keeps winning MVP awards
in these All Star games. He is simply the best player
on the floor. It's an easy choice for me. Give me Diallo every time. He would have a bigger impact on the Cats next year than Newman. Ulis and Briscoe will be will work out fine in the backcourt but Cats need another talented frontcourt player.
 
UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

Diallo is very talented, and would certainly bring a lot to the table. But his history is that he looks great when there isn't a lot of well-organized D being played. His length and athletic ability allows him to repeatedly attack the rim, and he can clearly finish once he's there. That just doesn't happen all that often in real games, particularly real college games, which tend to played at a snail's pace.

UK needs some guys who can hit shots in halfcourt sets. Either that, or create their own offense off the dribble (thinking Jaylen Brown on that one). Hopefully, UK gets that AND Diallo, since they're not really related. But if it's just Diallo and, say, Mulder, then UK is looking at a season where teams just sag as many guys off into the lane as they can fit until someone besides Ulis proves that they can hit a shot outside of 5 feet.
 
Originally posted by buckkiller:
Give me Ingram, Diallo call it a day.
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Ideally we need an elite wing and an elite power forward. Ingram and Diallo would fill the bill. I think Ingram is probably going to Duke. But other good wings are still available. Calipari might be able to turn Diallo with the in home visit. That would not surprise me.
 
Originally posted by Blue Decade:

Originally posted by buckkiller:
Give me Ingram, Diallo call it a day.
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Ideally we need an elite wing and an elite power forward. Ingram and Diallo would fill the bill. I think Ingram is probably going to Duke. But other good wings are still available. Calipari might be able to turn Diallo with the in home visit. That would not surprise me.
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We have two elite power forwards.
 
We need shooting and scoring from the perimeter.

Diallo gives us a great player, but he doesn't provide shooting and scoring from the perimeter.
 
Newman showed nothing but then again, like some said, it was an all star game. I still don't know what Newman can do. I know he has a great mix tape video but who doesn't?
 
Originally posted by mj2k10:
UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

Diallo is very talented, and would certainly bring a lot to the table. But his history is that he looks great when there isn't a lot of well-organized D being played. His length and athletic ability allows him to repeatedly attack the rim, and he can clearly finish once he's there. That just doesn't happen all that often in real games, particularly real college games, which tend to played at a snail's pace.

UK needs some guys who can hit shots in halfcourt sets. Either that, or create their own offense off the dribble (thinking Jaylen Brown on that one). Hopefully, UK gets that AND Diallo, since they're not really related. But if it's just Diallo and, say, Mulder, then UK is looking at a season where teams just sag as many guys off into the lane as they can fit until someone besides Ulis proves that they can hit a shot outside of 5 feet.
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If Newman can't do it in the McD or the JB game when can he do it? Sure, maybe he had a bad night, but being a star to me means not having to make excuses at least very often. Wasn't he 0 for 7 in the McD game? Maybe Newman is great, Diallo every time.
 
We need perimeter scoring. I'd love to add Diallo but we have Lee and Poythress along with Skal so it's not like that's a huge need for us.
 
Originally posted by DDS62:
If Newman can't do it in the McD or the JB game when can he do it? Sure, maybe he had a bad night, but being a star to me means not having to make excuses at least very often. Wasn't he 0 for 7 in the McD game? Maybe Newman is great, Diallo every time.
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no he wasnt....you should google the boxscore. not hard.
 
Originally posted by BostonCat2001:
Originally posted by DDS62:
If Newman can't do it in the McD or the JB game when can he do it? Sure, maybe he had a bad night, but being a star to me means not having to make excuses at least very often. Wasn't he 0 for 7 in the McD game? Maybe Newman is great, Diallo every time.
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no he wasnt....you should google the boxscore. not hard.
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Then you should have tried it and you would have found out that Newman was 0-7, 0-3 3pt. He had 1 point at the line with 2 rebs, 5 assists & 3 To's
 
Originally posted by DDS62:
Originally posted by BostonCat2001:
Originally posted by DDS62:
If Newman can't do it in the McD or the JB game when can he do it? Sure, maybe he had a bad night, but being a star to me means not having to make excuses at least very often. Wasn't he 0 for 7 in the McD game? Maybe Newman is great, Diallo every time.
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no he wasnt....you should google the boxscore. not hard.
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Then you should have tried it and you would have found out that Newman was 0-7, 0-3 3pt. He had 1 point at the line with 2 rebs, 5 assists & 3 To's
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you are right...was getting it confused with the game last week at the hoop summit where he scored 10 points, had 2-4 from three, couple of nice drives to the rim and a few steals.
 
Diallo is the best basketball player that is unsigned. Cal needs to get this guy. He is better than Lee and Poy and starts from day one. NBA already knows it too. He is picked 4th in the 2016 draft. Ulis and Briscoe can handle the perimeter shooting.
 
It looks like Mulder is going to be a Cat so there is another good perimeter shooter and now that Thorne is not available its time for Cal to put the full court press on Diallo.
 
Diallo would give UK more of what it already has in Skal, Lee, and Poythress. Albeit, he brings it on a higher level offensively than Alex and Marcus (and probably more than Skal on the defensive end) but he would certainly become a luxury player given what UK already has.


Newman, however, is capable of giving UK what it desperately needs right now - wing scoring. Currently, UK has two elite-level playmakers in Briscoe and Ulis - neither of whom are presently capable of becoming an elite scoring guard - and a number of projects in Matthews, Hawkins, and presumable Mulder.


I'd rather the unknown for next season rest on the shoulders of frontcourt depth than on the desperate lack of wing scoring.


We need Newman. Diallo is a luxury. It's as simple as that.
 
When a player is available as good as Diallo you take him no matter what you need. Ulis and Briscoe with the possible addition of Mulder can give the Cats enough perimeter scoring. You just don't let a player this good get away if you can get him.
 
Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Diallo would give UK more of what it already has in Skal, Lee, and Poythress. Albeit, he brings it on a higher level offensively than Alex and Marcus (and probably more than Skal on the defensive end) but he would certainly become a luxury player given what UK already has.


Newman, however, is capable of giving UK what it desperately needs right now - wing scoring. Currently, UK has two elite-level playmakers in Briscoe and Ulis - neither of whom are presently capable of becoming an elite scoring guard - and a number of projects in Matthews, Hawkins, and presumable Mulder.


I'd rather the unknown for next season rest on the shoulders of frontcourt depth than on the desperate lack of wing scoring.


We need Newman. Diallo is a luxury. It's as simple as that.
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Diallo gives more of the same, albeit better than Lee and probably Poythress too, but we need the depth. Three posts just isn't enough. One gets in foul trouble and you're screwed. One gets injured and you're screwed. One just doesn't bring it for a game and you're screwed. It's not like we have the depth on the perimeter to run a four guard/wing offense with a Justice Winslow type playing the four unless Derek Willis finally lives up to the bucket maker rep he has in practice.
 
I don't think there's any way Newman comes here. He seems to want the spotlight to be purely on himself, so I think he goes to MSU. In interviews he repeatedly talks about minutes and having the ball in his hands a lot; That is not Cal works. He may be a great player, but I don't think he mentally fits in with what happens at UK. Cheick works hard, and work ethic is not easy to teach (ask Derek Willis). He brings it every time he plays. High motor guy like Gilchrist. He's better than Alex and Marcus right now (i don't mean any disrespect to them, just how I see it). As much as we need a wing, I think we need another post as well.
 
Believe me, I've watched 4 of Newman's actual high school games IN PERSON, not an all-star game, and the kid IS the real deal. He went for 50 in the McCracken County tournament in front of me and Cal was there too. In the 2 high school tournaments I watched, Hoopfest and Mustang Madness, Newman, Murray and Diallo were EASILY the best players on the court. Other high recruits that played in those tournaments were Thon Maker, Carlton Bragg, Thomas Bryant and Dwayne Bacon and them 3 were head and shoulders better than everyone else. People, Newman IS the real deal along with Murray and Diallo. Hoping there is still a chance for Newman as we can go with a 3 guard set, typical for the college game, but as this process is dragging out I'm getting less confident. I always thought Newman was coming to UK, now not so much. But if we can get this Mulder kid, (who I think can actually make a pretty good impact for us) and one of Ingram/Brown and Diallo then we are set. Keeping my fingers crossed Cal has his last word and reels in what we need for next year. GO BIG BLUE!!!

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I've seen them both in person and we want and need Newman by far over any player left. What you saw in the Allstar games is nothing like what he really is. Picture a better offensive version of Brandon Knight with a tad more range and that's Newman. Knight also had a bad McDonalds game. Daniel Giddens worked Diallo in the Marshall Hoopfest. With the type offense Cal has been running, Diallo won't look like he did in the Allstar games. He's a bit more skilled version of Marcus Lee. Lee looks good in an up and down game where there's lobs but in a slower half court game he is lost.
 
Agreed, Newman was ELITE in every game I seen live. Practically put his team on his back because, well, he didn't have much of a team. All-star games mean nothing, Newman is THE guy.
 
And to add on Newman, it's like a switch comes on in an actual game. He went for 42, 35, 37 and 50 points in the 4 games I seen live and he rarely missed a shot, rarely. He has a complete offensive game. He can create off the dribble and finish at the rim, pull up and set jumpshot inside and outside the arc and he can also find the open man. His offensive game is the best I've seen from a recruit in atleast 5 years, and I follow recruiting and these high school prospects with a passion.

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Originally posted by ZaytovenCat:
I've seen them both in person and we want and need Newman by far over any player left. What you saw in the Allstar games is nothing like what he really is. Picture a better offensive version of Brandon Knight with a tad more range and that's Newman. Knight also had a bad McDonalds game. Daniel Giddens worked Diallo in the Marshall Hoopfest. With the type offense Cal has been running, Diallo won't look like he did in the Allstar games. He's a bit more skilled version of Marcus Lee. Lee looks good in an up and down game where there's lobs but in a slower half court game he is lost.
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Just going off the AS games, I'd say you are underselling Diallo by saying he's a "bit more skilled version of Lee". And I'm guessing there's a decent chance Diallo can improve his half-court game. He isn't ranked #7 because of how he plays in AS games.
 
Newman is going to where he can be the man. At 6'3" tall and a NBA prospect he needs A point guard skillset witch he doesn't have. We have Ulis and Brisco who will run the offense next year. About everybody on this board wants Malik Newman. It's not going to happen. The best prospects left for us in order is Diallo or Ingram. I believe that's all we have a shot at!
 
Originally posted by railroadkat_1:

Newman is going to where he can be the man. At 6'3" tall and a NBA prospect he needs A point guard skillset witch he doesn't have. We have Ulis and Brisco who will run the offense next year. About everybody on this board wants Malik Newman. It's not going to happen. The best prospects left for us in order is Diallo or Ingram. I believe that's all we have a shot at!
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Either or both of those to go with what we've got coming in and coming back, plus Mulder and maybe Wynward in the second semester, and I'm ok with that. Think we can contend for a title, though we wouldn't be the favorites.
 
Diallo isn't ranked # 4 in the 2016 NBA draft because of these all star games. Lee is solid player but Diallo is on a whole different level.
 
Originally posted by wildcatsboston1984:


Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Diallo would give UK more of what it already has in Skal, Lee, and Poythress. Albeit, he brings it on a higher level offensively than Alex and Marcus (and probably more than Skal on the defensive end) but he would certainly become a luxury player given what UK already has.


Newman, however, is capable of giving UK what it desperately needs right now - wing scoring. Currently, UK has two elite-level playmakers in Briscoe and Ulis - neither of whom are presently capable of becoming an elite scoring guard - and a number of projects in Matthews, Hawkins, and presumable Mulder.


I'd rather the unknown for next season rest on the shoulders of frontcourt depth than on the desperate lack of wing scoring.


We need Newman. Diallo is a luxury. It's as simple as that.
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Diallo gives more of the same, albeit better than Lee and probably Poythress too, but we need the depth. Three posts just isn't enough. One gets in foul trouble and you're screwed. One gets injured and you're screwed. One just doesn't bring it for a game and you're screwed. It's not like we have the depth on the perimeter to run a four guard/wing offense with a Justice Winslow type playing the four unless Derek Willis finally lives up to the bucket maker rep he has in practice.
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We do not need four bigs, unless Lee just doesn't improve at all. It is nice to have plenty of depth in the frontcourt, but your expectations are extremely out of wack if you think we need to have four guys that can play big minutes. Perimeter depth and scoring are needed much more than more bigs.
 
Originally posted by Hoskins91:
Originally posted by wildcatsboston1984:


Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Diallo would give UK more of what it already has in Skal, Lee, and Poythress. Albeit, he brings it on a higher level offensively than Alex and Marcus (and probably more than Skal on the defensive end) but he would certainly become a luxury player given what UK already has.


Newman, however, is capable of giving UK what it desperately needs right now - wing scoring. Currently, UK has two elite-level playmakers in Briscoe and Ulis - neither of whom are presently capable of becoming an elite scoring guard - and a number of projects in Matthews, Hawkins, and presumable Mulder.


I'd rather the unknown for next season rest on the shoulders of frontcourt depth than on the desperate lack of wing scoring.


We need Newman. Diallo is a luxury. It's as simple as that.
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Diallo gives more of the same, albeit better than Lee and probably Poythress too, but we need the depth. Three posts just isn't enough. One gets in foul trouble and you're screwed. One gets injured and you're screwed. One just doesn't bring it for a game and you're screwed. It's not like we have the depth on the perimeter to run a four guard/wing offense with a Justice Winslow type playing the four unless Derek Willis finally lives up to the bucket maker rep he has in practice.
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We do not need four bigs, unless Lee just doesn't improve at all. It is nice to have plenty of depth in the frontcourt, but your expectations are extremely out of wack if you think we need to have four guys that can play big minutes. Perimeter depth and scoring are needed much more than more bigs.
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We need 1-2 perimeter scorers/shooters and a beefy/strong big man that can rebound and hold his position and be an enforcer type. Right now our bigs are either rail thin or coming off of ACL surgery. We need a big that can get offensive boards and give us second chance opportunities.
 
Originally posted by hoggwildcat:

Originally posted by Blue Decade:

Originally posted by buckkiller:
Give me Ingram, Diallo call it a day.
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Ideally we need an elite wing and an elite power forward. Ingram and Diallo would fill the bill. I think Ingram is probably going to Duke. But other good wings are still available. Calipari might be able to turn Diallo with the in home visit. That would not surprise me.
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We have two elite power forwards.
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Not sure who you are thinking about there. Labissiere is a 5. Lee is an interesting player, but lacks scoring skills therefore not elite. Poythress' best position is 4, but Alex is recovering from major knee surgery. Who else did you have in mind? If we had what you say we have at 4, Calipari would not be recruiting elite power forwards. There is a reason why Calipari is visiting Diallo's home this week. Diallo would completely change next year's team.

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I just believe Poythress is going to heal and be the player that everone though he would be.I hope he is a top ten pick in the draft next season.
 
I definitely want Diallo. He has the toughness,drive or motor or whatever you want to call it that was missing from the team this year. Poythress is that type player when in the mood but he has had a tendency to not show up at times. Diallo was my pick off of either of the teams in the Jordon Brand classic. He is the tough inside player that UK is going to need this season. With Diallo added to Skal UK would have silk and steel in its inside game.

I Would take Diallo over Newman but hey why can we not have both? A recruited class of Skal, Diallo, Newman, Briscoe, Charles can't remember his last name, And possibly Mulder would be quite a recruited class.
 
Originally posted by brianpoe:

Originally posted by mj2k10:
UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

UK needs perimeter scoring

Diallo is very talented, and would certainly bring a lot to the table. But his history is that he looks great when there isn't a lot of well-organized D being played. His length and athletic ability allows him to repeatedly attack the rim, and he can clearly finish once he's there. That just doesn't happen all that often in real games, particularly real college games, which tend to played at a snail's pace.

UK needs some guys who can hit shots in halfcourt sets. Either that, or create their own offense off the dribble (thinking Jaylen Brown on that one). Hopefully, UK gets that AND Diallo, since they're not really related. But if it's just Diallo and, say, Mulder, then UK is looking at a season where teams just sag as many guys off into the lane as they can fit until someone besides Ulis proves that they can hit a shot outside of 5 feet.
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THIS X 100 COME ON DOWN INGRAM AND MULDER .
 
Originally posted by Hoskins91:
Originally posted by wildcatsboston1984:


Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Diallo would give UK more of what it already has in Skal, Lee, and Poythress. Albeit, he brings it on a higher level offensively than Alex and Marcus (and probably more than Skal on the defensive end) but he would certainly become a luxury player given what UK already has.


Newman, however, is capable of giving UK what it desperately needs right now - wing scoring. Currently, UK has two elite-level playmakers in Briscoe and Ulis - neither of whom are presently capable of becoming an elite scoring guard - and a number of projects in Matthews, Hawkins, and presumable Mulder.


I'd rather the unknown for next season rest on the shoulders of frontcourt depth than on the desperate lack of wing scoring.


We need Newman. Diallo is a luxury. It's as simple as that.
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Diallo gives more of the same, albeit better than Lee and probably Poythress too, but we need the depth. Three posts just isn't enough. One gets in foul trouble and you're screwed. One gets injured and you're screwed. One just doesn't bring it for a game and you're screwed. It's not like we have the depth on the perimeter to run a four guard/wing offense with a Justice Winslow type playing the four unless Derek Willis finally lives up to the bucket maker rep he has in practice.
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We do not need four bigs, unless Lee just doesn't improve at all. It is nice to have plenty of depth in the frontcourt, but your expectations are extremely out of wack if you think we need to have four guys that can play big minutes. Perimeter depth and scoring are needed much more than more bigs.
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Did I say we needed four that can play big minutes? No. I said we needed another post, which is the truth. Teams don't win championships with only three posts on the roster unless they have the perimeter depth to run a high-quality four-perimeter offense. If you have that kind of perimeter depth then you can get away with three posts like Duke did this year.
 
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