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Definition of a “Special Season,” and Two Key Games to Achieve It.

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I think a reasonable hope is that Kentucky can repeat their 2018, 9-3 season, and, maybe slide into the NYD6, or play on NY’s Day in the Citrus/Outback. And this (or anything better) I would consider a SPECIAL season.

I won’t curse an 8-4 season, as it would likely end with a ranking, but will be disappointed at 7-5 or less.

In my opinion, two games are extremely critical to get to 9-3.

Mizzou in the second week is very important, as it’s outcome will likely determine whether we start 3-1, or 4-0. Mizzou has lost to us 5 of the last 6, but used a physical game at home in 2020, to beat an emotionally taxed U.K. team.

The next most critical game to get to 9 regular season wins is Mississippi State on the road. Although Mark Stoops has been the most successful U.K. Coach in road games since Bear Bryant, a win in Starkville has alluded him in 4 attempts.

This series has arguably been decided by home field advantage, more than most. We all love to spout the typical ish that the home field is worth 3 points.

But the Mississippi State game, of late, makes the home field look like a bigger factor. Only the 2016 game was close, at U.K., with the Cats winning on a last second field goal. Otherwise, the home team since 2015 has won by 15 points, or more, UK winning at home in 2020, 24-2.

These two team’s are seldom major favorites against the other, but the home team typically beats the visitor by a big score.

We beat State at home in 2018, so to repeat a 9 win regular schedule, we must do it again, on the road, or find another win we did not get in ‘18, to “replace it” with.

To be blunt, I expect us to win all our OOC games, lose on the road to Georgia, and thump South Carolina in Columbia and Vandy in Nashville.

So there are 6 games I would be shocked (or very disappointed) if we lost, 1 that I would be shocked if we won, and five games that are somewhere in the middle.

We lost to our rotating West Division opponent, A & M in overtime, in 2018, so I would argue that beating LSU is not critical to achieving a 9-3 season, so long as we beat Mizzou at home and State on the road.

We also beat UF on the road in a huge early season upset, in 2018, and have reasonable hope “to hold serve” with our 2018 season, by beating them at home in ‘21.

But I would argue that a win against UF is not as critical as are wins against Mizzou and State, because should we lose to UF, we can very likely “make that one up,” by beating UT at home, the road trip loss in Knoxville in 2018 being the low point of that season. We beat UT 34-7 last year, and almost half their scholarship team (36) has hit the portal, and they are facing major NCAA sanctions for the first time in their history. Frankly, I think we beat them by 14 plus, and as result, in spite of the lopsided 40 year history, I can’t rate this game to be as critical to a 9-3 finish as I do Mizzou and State. Of the five games “somewhere in the middle,” the UT game is the likeliest win.

So, I think we can lose to LSU, and UF at home, games we might be serious dogs in, and lose to UGA on the road, and still go 9-3, achieve a National ranking in the Top 15, and play in a real good bowl.

But we really need to beat Mizzou and Mississippi State. It can be done in another fashion/scenario, but those teams provide the clearest path to a 9-3 record, or better.
 
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I think a reasonable hope is that Kentucky can repeat their 2018, 9-3 season, and, maybe slide into the NYD6, or play on NY’s Day in the Citrus/Outback. And this (or anything better) I would consider a SPECIAL season.

I won’t curse an 8-4 season, as it would likely end with a ranking, but will be disappointed at 7-5 or less.

In my opinion, two games are extremely critical to get to 9-3.

Mizzou in the second week is very important, as it’s outcome will likely determine whether we start 3-1, or 4-0. Mizzou has lost to us 5 of the last 6, but used a physical game at home in 2020, to beat an emotionally taxed U.K. team.

The next most critical game to get to 9 regular season wins is Mississippi State on the road. Although Mark Stoops has been the most successful U.K. Coach in road games since Bear Bryant, a win in Starkville has alluded him in 4 attempts.

This series has arguably been decided by home field advantage, more than most. We all love to spout the typical ish that the home field is worth 3 points.

But the Mississippi State game, of late, makes the home field look like a bigger factor. Only the 2016 game was close, at U.K., with the Cats winning on a last second field goal. Otherwise, the home team since 2015 has won by 15 points, or more, UK winning at home in 2020, 24-2.

These two team’s are seldom major favorites against the other, but the home team typically beats the visitor by a big score.

We beat State at home in 2018, so to repeat a 9 win regular schedule, we must do it again, on the road, or find another win we did not get in ‘18, to “replace it” with.

To be blunt, I expect us to win all our OOC games, lose on the road to Georgia, and thump South Carolina in Columbia and Vandy in Nashville.

So there are 6 games I would be shocked (or very disappointed) if we lost, 1 that I would be shocked if we won, and five games that are somewhere in the middle.

We lost to our rotating West Division opponent, A & M in overtime, in 2018, so I would argue that beating LSU is not critical to achieving a 9-3 season, so long as we beat Mizzou at home and State on the road.

We also beat UF on the road in a huge early season upset, in 2018, and have reasonable hope “to hold serve” with our 2018 season, by beating them at home in ‘21.

But I would argue that a win against UF is not as critical as are wins against Mizzou and State, because should we lose to UF, we can very likely “make that one up,” by beating UT at home, the road trip loss in Knoxville in 2018 being the low point of that season. We beat UT 34-7 last year, and almost half their scholarship team (36) has hit the portal, and they are facing major NCAA sanctions for the first time in their history. Frankly, I think we beat them by 14 plus, and as result, in spite of the lopsided 40 year history, I can’t rate this game to be as critical to a 9-3 finish as I do Mizzou and State. Of the five games “somewhere in the middle,” the UT game is the likeliest win.

So, I think we can lose to LSU, and UF at home, games we might be serious dogs in, and lose to UGA on the road, and still go 9-3, achieve a National ranking in the Top 15, and play in a real good bowl.

But we really need to beat Mizzou and Mississippi State. It can be done in another fashion/scenario, but those teams provide the clearest path to a 9-3 record, or better.
Do you think the Mizzou and Miss. St. games are important for us to win!? - Just kidding. I cannot help but think that the Mizzou game will be a win. Last year was a difficult time and we only lost by 10. And, we have a better chance to win at Miss. St. than we have had in most years. This is going to be an interesting and exciting year for us. GO CATS!! PS. Were you up this morning watching the Open when you posted this?
 
Mizzou is key to everything. We lose that and it is pivotal for program trajectory in the east.For the season, it could derail us coming out of the gate.WInning solves all that.

Msu should be ok. In over 20 years leach is yet to figure out a compact zone. We'll use it again and stop his offense.

We need to really kick UT while they're down.

UF/UGA - to be truly special season, we need to beat one of these two.

Jmo
 
Mizzou is key to everything. We lose that and it is pivotal for program trajectory in the east.For the season, it could derail us coming out of the gate.WInning solves all that.

Msu should be ok. In over 20 years leach is yet to figure out a compact zone. We'll use it again and stop his offense.

We need to really kick UT while they're down.

UF/UGA - to be truly special season, we need to beat one of these two.

Jmo
Agreed. Must beat Missouri week two or it's a very steep uphill climb from there.

Talk about a wild scene, go 4-0 in September and then host Florida October 2nd for a 7:30 kickoff........I'm ready.

I already have tickets for UGA in Athens with 9 of my good buddies so my dream scenario is 6-0 3:30 CBS kickoff in Athens for the East.
 
Interesting stat to consider, but Kentucky hasn't won in Starkville since 2008. Trap game down there for sure even when UK is the much better team on paper.
 
We have a knack for losing a game we shouldn't. See OM last year. TN in '19 & '18. I think it comes from Stoops' penchant for sitting on leads against half decent teams, but whatever. Net, losing to LSU or TN while winning the two discussed is a real possibility imo.
 
We usually play LSU real well and with the game being at home could be a toss up game, especially if we get average or above QB play.
how we "usually" play LSU will have zero bearing on this years game. When was the last time we played them? I am not sure and don't care to look it up but it's too infrequent to come up with a pattern.
 
A week before we covered the spread vs. Dak Prescott on the Home Depot SEC on CBS. We got beat 41-3. Can’t blame our guys, we were looking ahead to Mississippi State.
 
We have a knack for losing a game we shouldn't. See OM last year. TN in '19 & '18. I think it comes from Stoops' penchant for sitting on leads against half decent teams, but whatever. Net, losing to LSU or TN while winning the two discussed is a real possibility imo.
This! We are getting closer to kicking the habit, this season we have a chance to get over the hump. I f we find a QB who can throw the ball decently we should be in every game on the schedule starting the 4th quarter. I think we should have 5 or 6 games put away starting the 4th. Many here may think this is over the top but I believe we will be pretty good
 
Special season would playing for the SEC East title. My two biggest games would be UF and UT. Needs to establish that we can consistently compete and beat them.
 
Completely agree with the OP. Those two games are critical, but I would argue that Mizzou is much more critical given that A) it's week 2 and is a big swing game, B ) mizzou is in the east and is recruiting well, and C) a loss in starkville would be an obvious spot for a loss and wouldn't kill our season like a loss to mizzou could.

With that said, the three other games that are most critical:

-USC: I know they're supposed to be down, but it's still a road SEC game. Can't overlook them in looking ahead to UF.

-UT: How one views this game is a test of whether you think UK has truly broken the curse. We lose to them so often with superior or equal teams, that I am hoping that last year finally killed the bad karma. If our team goes in to this game believing that we are the better team and program, then this game SHOULD be a win.

-UF: I think this game is much more important to MSU b/c A) division game, B ) we finally need to give hte home fans a big win over UF, and C) much more of a splash for reputation and recruiting. Winning in starkville really does nothing for the program's rep, but beating UF is ALWAYS a huge deal.
 
I think a reasonable hope is that Kentucky can repeat their 2018, 9-3 season, and, maybe slide into the NYD6, or play on NY’s Day in the Citrus/Outback. And this (or anything better) I would consider a SPECIAL season.

I won’t curse an 8-4 season, as it would likely end with a ranking, but will be disappointed at 7-5 or less.

In my opinion, two games are extremely critical to get to 9-3.

Mizzou in the second week is very important, as it’s outcome will likely determine whether we start 3-1, or 4-0. Mizzou has lost to us 5 of the last 6, but used a physical game at home in 2020, to beat an emotionally taxed U.K. team.

The next most critical game to get to 9 regular season wins is Mississippi State on the road. Although Mark Stoops has been the most successful U.K. Coach in road games since Bear Bryant, a win in Starkville has alluded him in 4 attempts.

This series has arguably been decided by home field advantage, more than most. We all love to spout the typical ish that the home field is worth 3 points.

But the Mississippi State game, of late, makes the home field look like a bigger factor. Only the 2016 game was close, at U.K., with the Cats winning on a last second field goal. Otherwise, the home team since 2015 has won by 15 points, or more, UK winning at home in 2020, 24-2.

These two team’s are seldom major favorites against the other, but the home team typically beats the visitor by a big score.

We beat State at home in 2018, so to repeat a 9 win regular schedule, we must do it again, on the road, or find another win we did not get in ‘18, to “replace it” with.

To be blunt, I expect us to win all our OOC games, lose on the road to Georgia, and thump South Carolina in Columbia and Vandy in Nashville.

So there are 6 games I would be shocked (or very disappointed) if we lost, 1 that I would be shocked if we won, and five games that are somewhere in the middle.

We lost to our rotating West Division opponent, A & M in overtime, in 2018, so I would argue that beating LSU is not critical to achieving a 9-3 season, so long as we beat Mizzou at home and State on the road.

We also beat UF on the road in a huge early season upset, in 2018, and have reasonable hope “to hold serve” with our 2018 season, by beating them at home in ‘21.

But I would argue that a win against UF is not as critical as are wins against Mizzou and State, because should we lose to UF, we can very likely “make that one up,” by beating UT at home, the road trip loss in Knoxville in 2018 being the low point of that season. We beat UT 34-7 last year, and almost half their scholarship team (36) has hit the portal, and they are facing major NCAA sanctions for the first time in their history. Frankly, I think we beat them by 14 plus, and as result, in spite of the lopsided 40 year history, I can’t rate this game to be as critical to a 9-3 finish as I do Mizzou and State. Of the five games “somewhere in the middle,” the UT game is the likeliest win.

So, I think we can lose to LSU, and UF at home, games we might be serious dogs in, and lose to UGA on the road, and still go 9-3, achieve a National ranking in the Top 15, and play in a real good bowl.

But we really need to beat Mizzou and Mississippi State. It can be done in another fashion/scenario, but those teams provide the clearest path to a 9-3 record, or better.
Unless Leach suddenly learns how to deal with a talented secondary playing zone, I don't think he's winning, regardless of home field.
 
Unless Leach suddenly learns how to deal with a talented secondary playing zone, I don't think he's winning, regardless of home field.

Yep our losing streak down there was due to a very physical offensive attack that ground us up like chuck. We might lose but it won't be because 20 years later somehow leach finally learns to beat a zone.
 
The question just comes down to our new offense. I have faith in Coen, but we don’t know how he’s going to implement it yet. Who is our QB. Who will be the wr To step up and take the 2 spot. How will our Oline look with a new coordinator there. On paper, we have probably the best OL and we take a lot of pride in our boys in the tench, but new leadership can alter the way it goes. Just a lot of questions to be answered offensively, but I’m optimistic about it.
 
You can have average seasons, good seasons and really good seasons but to me, at this point a special season is winning the East. Anything short of that is just another season.
 
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Interesting stat to consider, but Kentucky hasn't won in Starkville since 2008. Trap game down there for sure even when UK is the much better team on paper.
The key to this stat was all those loses were all under Mullen. Time to start a new streak.
 
Mizzou is important, and I agree with most everything you said. But it isn't the end of the world if we lose to Mizzou. It does make hitting 8+ wins much harder. I think we take one of the 3 big games (UF, UGA,LSU) and we also lose one we shouldn't.
Going to be a fun year.
 
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Mizzou - sets the tone for the whole season. Winning gives us a minimum 8 win season (heck yeah for Kentucky football). Lose this one and the wind is sucked out the season before it starts. A losing record becomes a small possibility.

Florida - coming off a mizzou win, a win against Florida would put us undefeated going into LSU as a likely top 10 team, getting the national attention that comes along with it. A Florida win pays long term dividends to the program more than any other game on the schedule. It gets us another rung up on the ladder, where an MSU win or loss goes unnoticed outside of Lexington and Starkville.
 
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I think a reasonable hope is that Kentucky can repeat their 2018, 9-3 season, and, maybe slide into the NYD6, or play on NY’s Day in the Citrus/Outback. And this (or anything better) I would consider a SPECIAL season.

I won’t curse an 8-4 season, as it would likely end with a ranking, but will be disappointed at 7-5 or less.

In my opinion, two games are extremely critical to get to 9-3.

Mizzou in the second week is very important, as it’s outcome will likely determine whether we start 3-1, or 4-0. Mizzou has lost to us 5 of the last 6, but used a physical game at home in 2020, to beat an emotionally taxed U.K. team.

The next most critical game to get to 9 regular season wins is Mississippi State on the road. Although Mark Stoops has been the most successful U.K. Coach in road games since Bear Bryant, a win in Starkville has alluded him in 4 attempts.

This series has arguably been decided by home field advantage, more than most. We all love to spout the typical ish that the home field is worth 3 points.

But the Mississippi State game, of late, makes the home field look like a bigger factor. Only the 2016 game was close, at U.K., with the Cats winning on a last second field goal. Otherwise, the home team since 2015 has won by 15 points, or more, UK winning at home in 2020, 24-2.

These two team’s are seldom major favorites against the other, but the home team typically beats the visitor by a big score.

We beat State at home in 2018, so to repeat a 9 win regular schedule, we must do it again, on the road, or find another win we did not get in ‘18, to “replace it” with.

To be blunt, I expect us to win all our OOC games, lose on the road to Georgia, and thump South Carolina in Columbia and Vandy in Nashville.

So there are 6 games I would be shocked (or very disappointed) if we lost, 1 that I would be shocked if we won, and five games that are somewhere in the middle.

We lost to our rotating West Division opponent, A & M in overtime, in 2018, so I would argue that beating LSU is not critical to achieving a 9-3 season, so long as we beat Mizzou at home and State on the road.

We also beat UF on the road in a huge early season upset, in 2018, and have reasonable hope “to hold serve” with our 2018 season, by beating them at home in ‘21.

But I would argue that a win against UF is not as critical as are wins against Mizzou and State, because should we lose to UF, we can very likely “make that one up,” by beating UT at home, the road trip loss in Knoxville in 2018 being the low point of that season. We beat UT 34-7 last year, and almost half their scholarship team (36) has hit the portal, and they are facing major NCAA sanctions for the first time in their history. Frankly, I think we beat them by 14 plus, and as result, in spite of the lopsided 40 year history, I can’t rate this game to be as critical to a 9-3 finish as I do Mizzou and State. Of the five games “somewhere in the middle,” the UT game is the likeliest win.

So, I think we can lose to LSU, and UF at home, games we might be serious dogs in, and lose to UGA on the road, and still go 9-3, achieve a National ranking in the Top 15, and play in a real good bowl.

But we really need to beat Mizzou and Mississippi State. It can be done in another fashion/scenario, but those teams provide the clearest path to a 9-3 record, or better.
Theres not 36 scholarship players transferring from UT. You counted some walk ons and most didn’t go to P5 teams. They have 83 scholarship players on the team currently. 85 is the max most years. It will be again soon. We faced heavy sanctions after Kiffin and got probation. Probably looking at some scholly reductions this year. I’ve been told I’m allowed to correct posters when they’re wrong so here I am.
 
Theres not 36 scholarship players transferring from UT. You counted some walk ons and most didn’t go to P5 teams. They have 83 scholarship players on the team currently. 85 is the max most years. It will be again soon. We faced heavy sanctions after Kiffin and got probation. Probably looking at some scholly reductions this year. I’ve been told I’m allowed to correct posters when they’re wrong so here I am.


And you recruit well enough to place a top 15 team on the field most seasons.
 
And you recruit well enough to place a top 15 team on the field most seasons.
The coaching hasn’t been there. Is it now? We will see. Heupels developed offenses everywhere he’s been. The defense is the worry but defense doesn’t win big games in today’s game.
 
Theres not 36 scholarship players transferring from UT. You counted some walk ons and most didn’t go to P5 teams.

If you are going to correct me, then correct me.

How many scholarship players left via the portal. I don’t care if they landed at P5 schools: with the Covid layover, that is less relevant.

[Of the 37 UT players listed on TOS as having entered the Portal, 7 were walk-ones, and 15 of the others were rated as 4 Star or higher coming out of high school.]
 
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The next most critical game to get to 9 regular season wins is Mississippi State on the road. Although Mark Stoops has been the most successful U.K. Coach in road games since Bear Bryant, a win in Starkville has alluded him in 4 attempts.

I started this thread in July.

Technically, we are “up one game,” on 2018’s 9-3 record, having defeated our rotating SEC West opponent at home, LSU. We lost to A & M in the road in ‘18 in overtime.

The Mississippi State game looms large. I consider it the toughest game we have left. We have not won in Starkville since 2009. They are not highly ranked, but beat A & M in College Station.

I don’t have tics, yet, but will get them.

We need to fill their house!!
 
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