Said that's what some people he's been talking to have told him. And that the lawyers for the defendants may advise them not to cooperate.
DeCourcy just said he's hearing the FBI's case may not be that strong
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The he said, she said stuff being reported here has gotten complely out of control. My mom's sisters dog knows how to write and penned a note saying...........
The Feds have something like a 98% conviction rate with about 98% of those pleading guilty. They don't really do weak cases.
So, you're tell me there's a chance. Yes!
Maybe the College Basketball media is realizing that this thing is so widespread, that if they keep hammering on it, their jobs will be in jeopardy because interest in the game will diminish.
Therefore, they are going to start downplaying it.
Just a theory on this thing going forward.
Therefore, they are going to start downplaying it.
Just a theory on this thing going forward.
Yeah, generally the FBI makes a big public deal out of a weak case and the arrests involved. 99% conviction rate, but let's go media blitz on the one we'll probably lose.
Um, no.
They have some really clear cut, audio and video taped evidence of bribery, racketeering and tax evasion. The resulting NCAA fallout is basically out of their control, but whatever. I think the idea was "we're sick of this seedy, UNTAXED college sports world, so either play by your own rules, or we're coming for that money."
And yeah, Pitino and Jurich are gone gone gone gone gone no matter what
Um, no.
They have some really clear cut, audio and video taped evidence of bribery, racketeering and tax evasion. The resulting NCAA fallout is basically out of their control, but whatever. I think the idea was "we're sick of this seedy, UNTAXED college sports world, so either play by your own rules, or we're coming for that money."
And yeah, Pitino and Jurich are gone gone gone gone gone no matter what
I could see that. College basketball is already a joke overall but this will diminish interest even further.
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When the FBI has video and audio recordings, as well as phone records and sworn testimony, the case is strong and folks will be going to prison.
Lawyer talk. The FBI has been on this 3 years. We only have the tip of the iceberg. College basketball will be fortunate to survive this. It is ugly now and will get more ugly.
I think CBB will survive; but will be forever changed. Especially AAU and recruiting.
Don't fvck with the Feds. There is no time off for good behavior. Not a good move to clam up and plead ignorance.
DeCourcy and defense attorneys have no idea what the FBI will find on these hard drives. Could turn the investigation into a much, much bigger scandal than the FBI thought they were dealing with.
I guess I struggle with what laws were actually broken. I understand the FBI is stating bribes, corruption etc., but seems to be a stretch. Unethical yes, illegal?? NCAA rules violation yes. It seems that they might be stretching when there is discussion that Chuck Person is facing 60 plus years jail time.
Now I could see the Universities suing coaches for damages and trying to recapture salaries but I would like to see why this is truly illegal what was done.
People get paid all the time to push products so if it is because the coaches were pushing agents and not disclosing they were working on behalf of those agents and companies, does that rise to the level of a felony? Don't know.
Now I could see the Universities suing coaches for damages and trying to recapture salaries but I would like to see why this is truly illegal what was done.
People get paid all the time to push products so if it is because the coaches were pushing agents and not disclosing they were working on behalf of those agents and companies, does that rise to the level of a felony? Don't know.
I keep seeing these comments about college basketball not surviving.
I've said for days the media has played this up to a ridiculous level. Which is their intended goal, cause mass freak out and make people watch.
How would college basketball not survive? It will absolutely survive. A lot of general statements with no meat going around.
Not personal to you of course.
Even if he does six months, he never has a job in college basketball again and serves as a warning to other coaches out there that if you get greedy you are risking your reputation and career.
I would say money laundering is a pretty big deal and bribery is a federal law soo....
Agree, it may be a stretch because college basketball will survive. So in rethinking it will suffer a black eye but it survived point shaving in the 1950's so this too will pass.
I stand corrected. A sport can survive a black eye.
The FBI is an absolute joke. They are a lot like the NCAA. They pick and chose who to violate and prosecute. There are better things to do than throw Chuck Person into prison. It's pitiful.
And after the FBI's pitiful display of late in the political arena, I have no idea why anyone would have faith in them to any level. They are all hacks just like everyone else.
Btw, Comey could Be prosecuted for leaking government information from a government system, which is FAR worse. Where are they?
If u read the SI story, just the evidence they've been able to gather and go over it seems like the Feds have a pretty strong case.
I understand they are saying bribery but really? Money laundering. What money were they cleaning? Now tax evasion seems like a possibility if the income/gift wasn't declared. Universities take money all the time from clothing reps--is that bribery? Just because the NCAA prohibits payments does not make it illegal. Agents pay fees all the time out to people--is everyone going to be jailed for finders fees? This is sleezy as hell but talking about putting people in jail for 60 years?
U6C2 voluntarily participates in the NCAA and as such should get the death penalty for their activities, but felonies? Now providing hookers to underage kids-that sure seems to be a crime to me.
U6C2 voluntarily participates in the NCAA and as such should get the death penalty for their activities, but felonies? Now providing hookers to underage kids-that sure seems to be a crime to me.
DeCourcy is an idiot. He has no clue what evidence has been gathered over the course of this investigation. Not a clue.
since . . . Tuesday? Since the minimum number of multiple days (two) to describe it in the plural form? I'm sorry, who is playing what up to ridiculous?
I don't care what anyone thinks about the FBI. In a high profile case like this, they have their ducks in a row. What the hell do you think the defense lawyers are going to say? My client is screwed? I mean get real.
Criminal burden of proof: beyond reasonable doubt (95%)
NCAA burden of proof: preponderance of evidence (50.00001%)
NCAA burden of proof: preponderance of evidence (50.00001%)
Most of you know, I don't gamble.
My money is on the FBI.
My money is on the FBI.
I've always liked him but will say that he took an almost Jay Bilas type stand on UNCheat. Tried to minimize it. Sounds like he might be doing the same here but missed his comments.
Here's one that has been broken... Tax Evasion. And maybe money laundering- Illegal money transfer to avoid taxes?
I don't agree. He's one of the few sports writers who actually, sometimes, has something original to say. And besides, at least based on the opening post, DeCourcy isn't saying the case is weak, he's saying he's hearing the case is weak. Which is a different thing.
He wasn't trying to minimize the issue. He just said he was being told that some legal people he talked to weren't sure about how the FBI is going after the case. Something about the application of the statutes or some legal mumbo jumbo. Could just be people trying to make themselves part of the story. I tend to agree that the FBI is probably more likely to win this than not.
If you read my posts, I could see tax evasion but to my understanding the payments were made this year and the tax returns are not due until 3/15/18 and 4/15/18 so seems a little early on that one. (I have no doubt that if not caught the money would not have been declared but can't prosecute for future crimes).
As far as money laundering-what money was being wiped clean? Hidden from the NCAA but working in the banking sector there are all kinds of rules regarding wire transfers from BSA compliance etc. that the banks follow.
Again, I think it is corrupt as hell when it comes to the NCAA rules but if I am sitting on a jury based on the fact that Adidas paid a coach to get a player I am not sending them to jail. Now if I am on a jury and the University is suing the coach for lost revenue by violating NCAA rules, I am awarding the max in damages.
Now I could possibly see some level of charges if the coaches were unduly influencing the players to the agents based on the payments. By that threatening them with blackmail or other ways. Not sure if that is being alleged or not.
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