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Day 1 of Elite 11 (June 2nd) and Jarren Williams in the Top 5 of top performers

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This is from 247 but it's coverage of the Elite 11 and I haven't seen any coverage on Rivals but Jarren Williams is in the Top 5 of top performers on Day 1!

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5. Jarren Williams
Kentucky commit Jarren Williams is not flashy, but he was effective on Friday throwing accurate and catchable balls. The 6-foot-2, 205-pound is sound in his drops and ball fakes while having a clean delivery as well.

http://247sports.com/Gallery/Top-Performers-Day-1-Elite-11-53004790/GallerySlides/567651
 
This is from 247 but it's coverage of the Elite 11 and I haven't seen any coverage on Rivals but Jarren Williams is in the Top 5 of top performers on Day 1!

5321489.JPG


(Photo: Chris Trevino , 247Sports)

5. Jarren Williams
Kentucky commit Jarren Williams is not flashy, but he was effective on Friday throwing accurate and catchable balls. The 6-foot-2, 205-pound is sound in his drops and ball fakes while having a clean delivery as well.

http://247sports.com/Gallery/Top-Performers-Day-1-Elite-11-53004790/GallerySlides/567651

Really sad with 4 of the top 5 are from Georgia and we missed on all of them, actually went all in on one and missed. Another oddity is the other one on the list has been 2 Athens 2 times this spring, coming again later in the summer and is going to official, he's the only one we have a shot at, and its remote.
 
I can't wait to go down to Georgia this fall to watch Jarren. Some friends and I are going to stop by on our way to Florida for Vacation.
 
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Very excited about J Williams! I think he will be a very special player for us, esp with all of the talent Stoops and Co are bringing in around him. The next few years should be very fun to watch.
 
Really sad with 4 of the top 5 are from Georgia and we missed on all of them, actually went all in on one and missed. Another oddity is the other one on the list has been 2 Athens 2 times this spring, coming again later in the summer and is going to official, he's the only one we have a shot at, and its remote.

That certainly is very strange. If someone told me that there were four elite QBs from the state of Georgia and UGA didn't land at least one of them, my initial thought would be that is only because they have an even higher rated guy from out of state committed. I guess even programs like Georgia occasionally have one of those years where the local talent decides to take their services elsewhere.
 
That certainly is very strange. If someone told me that there were four elite QBs from the state of Georgia and UGA didn't land at least one of them, my initial thought would be that is only because they have an even higher rated guy from out of state committed. I guess even programs like Georgia occasionally have one of those years where the local talent decides to take their services elsewhere.

Well, they do have a five star that started all last year and a true freshman five star that might overtake him.

I think you are a good guy Grumpy but no sympathy. Kentucky has a five star QB about once each century, Georgia will probably have another one next year.
 
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That certainly is very strange. If someone told me that there were four elite QBs from the state of Georgia and UGA didn't land at least one of them, my initial thought would be that is only because they have an even higher rated guy from out of state committed. I guess even programs like Georgia occasionally have one of those years where the local talent decides to take their services elsewhere.

Couple of things in effect I think, one is we went all in on Lawrence and missed, Williams didn't even get an offer until the time he was decommitted, Jones never made it to campus, Fields has come a couple of times but we barely recruited them. Two only one qb plays, the last 2 classes we signed 5* qbs in each of the last 2 classes, our depth chart doesn't look favorable for early playing time. Ramsey deciding to stay instead of grad transfer probably saved one of our signees from have to spend time at qb in case of an emergency
 
Yeah, with Georgia having good depth and a loaded depth chart, they might as well of swing for the fences. It was the right move with little to lose imo.
 
Couple of things in effect I think, one is we went all in on Lawrence and missed, Williams didn't even get an offer until the time he was decommitted, Jones never made it to campus, Fields has come a couple of times but we barely recruited them. Two only one qb plays, the last 2 classes we signed 5* qbs in each of the last 2 classes, our depth chart doesn't look favorable for early playing time. Ramsey deciding to stay instead of grad transfer probably saved one of our signees from have to spend time at qb in case of an emergency

Agree on some of the causes, and agree it's not a death knell because there are already some really good young guys on campus, but it's definitely bad optics for Kirby.

Some of the complaints thrown at Richt that saw him pushed out was he didn't recruit well enough in state. I don't follow Georgia FB closely, that info is from your posts on this board, so I apologize if I'm remembering wrong and putting words in your mouth. Smart wasn't impressive last year without Saban level talent. It was his first year and obviously would expect him to get better no matter for what, but a change being caused by lack of recruiting, particularly in state, hiring an ace recruiter with no HC experience who was alumni and out a renewed focus in state of Georgia... Like I say, nothing to abandon ship over, but not a good look either.
 
Went back and read the top 5 QB's stories. Ohio State, Penn State, USC and Clemson's QB commits ranked ahead of Jarren.

Pretty nice company to be keeping.
It is nice company. Glad we are, our potential recruit is, in that company! That Corral kid comes from good stock, will be interesting to see what he does.
 
Agree on some of the causes, and agree it's not a death knell because there are already some really good young guys on campus, but it's definitely bad optics for Kirby.

Some of the complaints thrown at Richt that saw him pushed out was he didn't recruit well enough in state. I don't follow Georgia FB closely, that info is from your posts on this board, so I apologize if I'm remembering wrong and putting words in your mouth. Smart wasn't impressive last year without Saban level talent. It was his first year and obviously would expect him to get better no matter for what, but a change being caused by lack of recruiting, particularly in state, hiring an ace recruiter with no HC experience who was alumni and out a renewed focus in state of Georgia... Like I say, nothing to abandon ship over, but not a good look either.

I can't disagree with alot of that. Kirby's first class cleaned up instate, only missed on a couple kids and they were to the Big10. Meyer, Harbaugh and Franklin are hitting Georgia hard.and actually hurting us more than the SEC schools have the last couple of years. After last year, tOSU can almost assure a kid he is going to get in the playoffs, they have hurt our recruiting as much as anyone including the border schools. It wasn't Richt didn't recruit Georgia hard, he ignored it while throwing early offers to out of state kids we had little chance to sign and getting in late on instate kids. Funny how now kids think getting an offer prior to their soph season is late.

As far as our results, I thought we would get to 8 wins and we did, without some bad luck/play could easily have been 10. But we were one of the youngest teams in the country last year, we lost 6 guys off the top 44 and 3 of them come from the weakest unit, which doesn't say alot about that unit this fall and why there will likely be a couple of frosh playing, we return all 8 DL who played, 7 of 8 LB, 5 who have been starters, one was passed by a younger guy, signed 2 outstanding LB classes in a row and none have played yet, return all DB except starting nickle back. defense has potential to be very good and capable of keeping us in games until the young OL comes together. But Appy St. is no joke, should have beaten UT last year, beat Michigan a few years back, return a lot of offense with a sr qb who has won alot of games for them, its not a giveme win. But I expect 10 wins, AU is due to beat us and another alone the way, might not win the east depending on who else we lose. But anything less than 10, the honeymoon for Kirby is over.

On winning the East, I think 4 teams have a shot, until someone dethrones UF they have to be considered as one of the favorites. This fall the East is returning 5 starting qbs, all of them had some success last season, that's the opposite from last year when only UT returned a starter at qb. UT lost more offense and defensive production than anyone else, Vnady returns their career leading rusher and starting qb, USC returns who may be the best LB in the SEC after missing the 16 season plus a bigtime WR and a qb who had his redshirt pulled to get them bowl eligible last season, UF returns their leading rusher and receiver and 4 OL starters, I think we return the most offensive and defensive production in the East. I am probably prejudice but I think we have the top backfield,, TE group, DL and LB units in the east and maybe the conference. But on the other hand our WR corp and OL would be near the other end. Our DB unit is probably top 5 in conference. If our OL play is up to par, we could run the table, I don't see anyone that jumps out at me as being alot better than us but that's asking alot when there is very likely to be 2 frosh starters,.
 
That certainly is very strange. If someone told me that there were four elite QBs from the state of Georgia and UGA didn't land at least one of them, my initial thought would be that is only because they have an even higher rated guy from out of state committed. I guess even programs like Georgia occasionally have one of those years where the local talent decides to take their services elsewhere.
the reason is EASON - kid is the real deal - you arent going to play till he goes to the league - Eason is a beast
 
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Kentucky commit Jarren Williams had four incompletions that were on him. But he looked like he was throwing the ball harder from yesterday, perhaps showing more confidence tonight. Overall, he had some nice throws and he's probably one of the best six or seven guys we've seen tonight.
 
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See comments here and there that UF is still trying to bring the heat with this player.
 
Couple of things in effect I think, one is we went all in on Lawrence and missed, Williams didn't even get an offer until the time he was decommitted, Jones never made it to campus, Fields has come a couple of times but we barely recruited them. Two only one qb plays, the last 2 classes we signed 5* qbs in each of the last 2 classes, our depth chart doesn't look favorable for early playing time. Ramsey deciding to stay instead of grad transfer probably saved one of our signees from have to spend time at qb in case of an emergency

Grumpy, absolutely love reading your pots on here.

But you come all a little whiny when you moan about non being able to recruit a 5***** QB for the third year in a row, lol.
Also, stating that if your coach does not win 10 games that's a big problem....... hope you can understand that we wish we were having these problems!!!
 
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Grumpy, absolutely love reading your pots on here.

But you come all a little whiny when you moan about non being able to recruit a 5***** QB for the third year in a row, lol.
Also, stating that if your coach does not win 10 games that's a big problem....... hope you can understand that we wish we were having these problems!!!

We can't get a nibble from any qb this class, we are up to about 25 offers out now. But on a more positive note Ramsey has decided to stay giving us 3 qbs this fall, which will allow Fromm to rs barring a season ending injury to Eason early in the year. the 10 win is my speculation, we fired the last 2 coaches after 8 win seasons. Kirby wasn't hired by our AD, the big money boosters hired him after the UF game, told our AD to give him what he ask for or he was gone with Richt, so we have an AD in name only he has no power to make a real decision. Kirby knows 8 wins aren't enough. Our defense is returning almost intact, and the starting unit only has 4 sr on it, but we are very likely to lose a couple to EE with good years, Offense has some weapons, Chubb and Michel are both top level backs, one of the others averaged 6 yd per carry last year, Holyfield was hurt and the signee is alot like Michel and likely to get some snaps at slot. A group of TEs who can all play, WR and OL are question marks. OL was bad last year and 2 are back, but one of those was the best of a weak group, WR who knows, we went after bigger guys, upgraded athletically, one is a 50' triple jumper in HS so he has some speed ang agility, couple of 6'3"+ guys and a couple of sprinter types, but they haven't caught a pass in an SEC game yet, we have had lots of guys over the years like those who didn't do much. Its going to come down to stop the run and you beat us, so we are going to see alot of 8 in the box and man coverage this season. If Eason can make that painful for the D we will be very good, if he can't we will have to hope the defense can keep it close and hope a back can pop a long run. Its my opinion Eason plays scared, not of being hit, but of making a mistake, which results in holding the ball too long and being late on throws, but I never coached qbs either.
 
All these guys are "good" prospects but none have ever thrown a pass against a college defense. I think we had another thread just recently that discussed how Elite 11 performance was no guarantee of collegiate greatness. Not that it really makes any huge difference at all, here is how Elite 11 itself "ranked" the top players going into Saturday's drills.

Peace
 
Really sad with 4 of the top 5 are from Georgia and we missed on all of them, actually went all in on one and missed. Another oddity is the other one on the list has been 2 Athens 2 times this spring, coming again later in the summer and is going to official, he's the only one we have a shot at, and its remote.
What's going on with Kirby Smart's recruiting is interesting. Smart was on Nick Saban's staff for a long time. To sign most of his top targets, Saban didn't have to do a whole lot more than just wait until December/January and then put on a full court press. In that way, Saban sneaks in late and steals a lot of players from other programs. Georgia has a strong program, but not like Alabama. A lot of the best high school players from the state of Georgia are choosing other schools besides UGA. This may be because Smart is targeting more out of state players, or it may be because Smart's staff isn't "getting in" early enough. I suspect it is a little bit of both.
 
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All these guys are "good" prospects but none have ever thrown a pass against a college defense. I think we had another thread just recently that discussed how Elite 11 performance was no guarantee of collegiate greatness. Not that it really makes any huge difference at all, here is how Elite 11 itself "ranked" the top players going into Saturday's drills.

Peace
The appeal of Jarren Williams to Darrin Hinshaw is not the EE, and it is not the 4 stars. Coach Hinshaw wanted Jarren long before either of these developments.
 
All these guys are "good" prospects but none have ever thrown a pass against a college defense. I think we had another thread just recently that discussed how Elite 11 performance was no guarantee of collegiate greatness. Not that it really makes any huge difference at all, here is how Elite 11 itself "ranked" the top players going into Saturday's drills.

Peace

How is the UL prospect doing?
 
What's going on with Kirby Smart's recruiting is interesting. Smart was on Nick Saban's staff for a long time. To sign most of his top targets, Saban didn't have to do a whole lot more than just wait until December/January and then put on a full court press. In that way, Saban sneaks in late and steals a lot of players from other programs. Georgia has a strong program, but not like Alabama. A lot of the best high school players from the state of Georgia are choosing other schools besides UGA. This may be because Smart is targeting more out of state players, or it may be because Smart's staff isn't "getting in" early enough. I suspect it is a little bit of both.

Part of it is the 3 of the top 4 are qbs, they are good players and it hurts to see them leave, but the only one of the 3 with a chance to play ahead of Fromm is Lawrence. Now that isn't saying Fromm has the strongest arm or quickest release, but he understands coverages, he knows where seems are in zones and when his guys is going to make his cut and create separation against man, he is very accurate and mobile like Murray was in the pocket with about the same arm strength, but not as strong as Eason's. Other than the qb's, the only guy we really missed on is the LB/DE who committed to tOSU, and he is spending a good bit of time in Athens, so that one isn't over yet. The next 3 guys instate are both interior OL, Slayer who is best friends with one of the OT we signed in Feb and Hill who played with Fromm in HS and Dean a db, out of state its the RB from NC. If we miss on those 4 guys the class will be subpar for us. We are catching quite a bit of negative recruiting right now. tOSU can basically guarantee being in he playoffs, they don't have to win their conference or even their division and get in, who else can say that? They are getting the kids Bama use to get, Urban could care less about the Ohio kids, he knows he can't win it all without the Florida, Georgia and Texas kids, Harbaugh is hitting the state hard too alone with PSU. This frees up alot of Ohio kids for UK and the other Big10 teams, which will help those teams, but Urban has seen what happens to those kids when they play a team of players stocked with Florida, Georgia and Texas kids from both sides. But recruiting is going very slow and lots are in panic mode.

A quick edit here, a little news coming to us, one of the qb's is on the verge of decommitting from his current school, if it happens may not come to us but we will be in it, alone with a couple other SEC schools.
 
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The appeal of Jarren Williams to Darrin Hinshaw is not the EE, and it is not the 4 stars. Coach Hinshaw wanted Jarren long before either of these developments.

Yes, sort of my point here. Coaches like what they see in a prospect and, in the big picture, that is much more significant than a 3 day QB camp.

How is the UL prospect doing?
Terrible UofL representation in this event. The guy that went in 2015 did not make the Top 11 cut. And the current Heisman Trophy winner was not even invited. [winking]

Peace
 
Yes, sort of my point here. Coaches like what they see in a prospect and, in the big picture, that is much more significant than a 3 day QB camp.


Terrible UofL representation in this event. The guy that went in 2015 did not make the Top 11 cut. And the current Heisman Trophy winner was not even invited. [winking]

Peace

Maybe they foresaw the Heisman guy's three game choke.

41-38.
 
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