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Congrats Wildcats (from a Mizzou Fan)

Apr 11, 2008
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Hey all, just wanted to pop in and say congrats on the win tonight. Your guys played their hearts out. A few observations that I'd like to say, and while I realize that some of them will come off as either excuses, or whatever, I'm going to say them anyway. (All is this is ONLY in my opinion-please remember that as you read this!)

1st Quarter, the late hit out of bounds by Kentucky, should have been negated by the Connor McGovern hit.

The last spot 45 seconds left in the 4th quarter was a bad spot. (despite the game already being done-definitely a moot point).

TV announcers kept talking about Towles, and while he was pretty good, many of his guys were wide open. Credit Kentucky's receivers and tight ends more so, as well as a complete breakdown in Mizzou's secondary. (I can deal with our secondary simply getting beat, but I pull my hair out when the opponent standing alone just waiting for the catch). That's good offensive coaching by Kentucky, and crappy defensive coaching by Mizzou.

Russell Hansbrough, while decent, is still far from a premier back. Mizzou hasn't had one since Henry Josey. (and Ish Witter makes me want to puke).

Mizzou's return game has to be the worst in the country. Absolutely putrid. (being half lit, I kept screaming, GO MACLIN GO!)....Not to be.

Kentucky played good, but nothing spectacular. Just looked to me to be fundamental football. Nothing special, but what it took to get it done. The kind of football I like (ie: Mizzou the last couple of years).

Kentucky's defense did well, but our offense stinks horribly. It used to be that Mizzou's offense were world beaters. I posted a few days ago that I predicted Kentucky would win 17-10 (you can look around and probably find it). I was pretty close.

As an opposing fan, the thing you want to do is blame so and so for the loss (as I've seen 90% of all opposing fans do in a loss) instead of crediting the opponent for the win and I will be no different. However, it's usually a case of BOTH quite honestly. Horrible offense, terrible secondary and and overrated front seven. That's really no knock against Kentucky. I felt like Kentucky confused Mizzou all game. Frankly, I give credit to the UK coaches.

The last thing I will say might ruffle a couple of feathers, but I believe had Lock been in during the second half, it might be a different ballgame. I truly wonder.

That all being said, congrats and best of skills to your team throughout the rest of the year.....

ZouFan08
 
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Well,

In the same spirit as your message to us, congrats on your hilariously overrated defense, the numbers for which were obtained by playing a bunch of JV high school teams.
 
Welp, I didn't see anything special from Mizzou at all ... Harris is about all you have, not real sure what you expect to happen coming here and giving excuse after excuse, it is what it is, enjoy that L.
 
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I'm not sure that was the most gracious congrats.

If you want to start talking about bad calls.... that pick-6 should have stood. The PI was terrible..... at least inconsistent. That's how our last drive ended against Florida and we didn't get the flag.

If that play stands we win 28 - 10.
 
Yup, you and those excuses cuddle up real close tonight next to that L. Don't worry, there are plenty more L's coming your way and you can just copy and paste this excuse crap on the next board.
 
I agree to an extent. Still believe many of these fellas have a high ceiling. I think Beckner and Harris going to be beasts. A lot of youth, but I agree, they are overrated. Wasn't trying to be a punk at all, as I was (maybe one of a few) that simply couldn't gauge what Mizzou had on defense while playing SEMO/ASU and UCONN..... I predicted that Kentucky would win 17-10 (so I was 4 pts off). How did I over-inflate Mizzou's defense? By 4 pts? Ok.
 
Kentucky played good, but nothing spectacular. Just looked to me to be fundamental football. Nothing special, but what it took to get it done. The kind of football I like (ie: Mizzou the last couple of years).

Yes I agree that's the Mizzou model and it's a good one. I think Stoops secretly has a lot of admiration for Pinkel and to some extend is trying to emulate a lot of his style and why not, it's been working pretty well.
This is by the far the cleanest game we've played in a while. I hope we can continue to play like we did today.

Good luck the rest of the way and Beat Georgia!
 
I'm not sure that was the most gracious congrats.

If you want to start talking about bad calls.... that pick-6 should have stood. The PI was terrible..... at least inconsistent. That's how our last drive ended against Florida and we didn't get the flag.

If that play stands we win 28 - 10.[/QUOTE

It was a gracious congrats. I just called what I saw. It was just my opinion (or is reading comprehension not your strong suit). Was I away from the tv at that moment? Maybe. Relax, your team won. I have congratulated your team and fans numerous times. Don't be like the sore winning Florida fans many of you complained about leading up to this game.
 
Yes I agree that's the Mizzou model and it's a good one. I think Stoops secretly has a lot of admiration for Pinkel and to some extend is trying to emulate a lot of his style and why not, it's been working pretty well.
This is by the far the cleanest game we've played in a while. I hope we can continue to play like we did today.

Good luck the rest of the way and Beat Georgia!

Thank you. It's a good model. Just not working right now. Also, we are not beating Georgia. Frankly, I don't see anyone beating Georgia this year in the SEC. (LSU maybe). I think Georgia beats Bama, personally....
 
I read all of your excuses, and caveats, and down playing the win for us. If you visit the opposing teams board after a loss to make excuses then expect to get blasted.

But I can give a compliment where it's due. You have one heck of a punter.
 
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I'm just glad we saw a lot of Mauk and very little of Lock, I won't be surprised to see Lock's name called very early on the first day of the NFL draft.
 
As an opposing fan in critique of Mzzou

1. I simply don't get the offensive philosophy as a hole.
- You allow Mauk to just improvise way too much and he kills drives
- Mauk throws a bunch of awful balls/decisions
- After your WR duo of two years ago left...no tall weapons on the perimeter
- Running game is really not a weapon. And you never really try to have Mauk as a legit weapon on read option enough to generate easy first downs. Seems like all of Mauk's running is on passing down as scrambling.

2. The defensive line is year in and year out very good. BUt today...the blown coverage on UK's first TD was a wide open TE down the middle. Who bites on play action on 2nd and goal from the 28 yard line? Juice Johnson was cut loose a bunch in middle of field...but Juice Jonhnson is grease lightning quick

Down the road..I think getting away from Mauk and more to a QB who executes plays vs. free lance so much will help. I think the QB before Maulk (James Franklin) was way more ofa weapon vs. Mauk.
 
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Excuses. Other than the "spot" comment, which I'll give you, please explain. Please name something I said that didn't apply during Mizzou's games vs at least ASU and UCONN.
 
Yea, not much of a congratulations... More of an excuse why Mizz didn't win.....

The fact is that UK absolutely beat Mizz... If anyone had any gripes with the stripes, it was us.... However, this is not a night to gripe, but a night to be happy.....
[banana]
 
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I agree to an extent. Still believe many of these fellas have a high ceiling. I think Beckner and Harris going to be beasts. A lot of youth, but I agree, they are overrated. Wasn't trying to be a punk at all, as I was (maybe one of a few) that simply couldn't gauge what Mizzou had on defense while playing SEMO/ASU and UCONN..... I predicted that Kentucky would win 17-10 (so I was 4 pts off). How did I over-inflate Mizzou's defense? By 4 pts? Ok.
We weren't talking about you in particular - just the general notion that Missou has one of the top defenses in the country was based on absolutely nothing. What, a D2 team and last year's worst offense in FBS? Something like that? Not saying that it speaks poorly of your defense - it just doesn't say anything about it. Literally no conclusion could be drawn about it, yet we heard its praises sung all week.
 
As an opposing fan in critique of Mzzou

1. I simply don't get the offensive philosophy as a hole.
- You allow Mauk to just improvise way too much and he kills drives
- Mauk throws a bunch of awful balls/decisions
- After your WR duo of two years ago left...no tall weapons on the perimeter
- Running game is really not a weapon. And you never really try to have Mauk as a legit weapon on read option enough to generate easy first downs. Seems like all of Mauk's running is on passing down as scrambling.

2. The defensive line is year in and year out very good. BUt today...the blown coverage on UK's first TD was a wide open TE down the middle. Who bites on play action on 2nd and goal from the 28 yard line? Juice Johnson was cut loose a bunch in middle of field...but Juice Jonhnson is grease lightning quick

Down the road..I think getting away from Mauk and more to a QB who executes plays vs. free lance so much will help. I think the QB before Maulk (James Franklin) was way more ofa weapon vs. Mauk.

This is spot on in my opinion. Your receivers beat us a few times on man to man coverage and that is credit I give your players. (as well as something Mizzou needs to work on-since I've been following Mizzou football, we've never had a good corner). The blow coverages is what bothers me. I'm only guessing that is a UK coaching>Mizzou coaching (I could be wrong). Two teams as close as our two teams in talent, *should* ideally only win or lose very closely (ie: one man simply beats the other)....

Don't get me wrong, as I'm a Pinkel fan (heck, he's the winningest coach in Mizzou history), but I can't tell you how made fun of Pinkel was by Big 12 fans). What I don't understand is that Pinkel has said that this front 7 is the best he's ever had at Mizzou.....You don't almost get beat by ASU, UCONN and get beat in your first SEC game with your best front 7 ever.....Doesn't make sense.
 
Yea, not much of a congratulations... More of an excuse why Mizz didn't win.....

The fact is that UK absolutely beat Mizz... If anyone had any gripes with the stripes, it was us.... However, this is not a night to gripe, but a night to be happy.....
[banana]

Agreed. The only questionable call that went UK's way was the defensive holding penalty on a third-down incompletion that extended UK's drive that allowed us to go up 14-10 a few play later. The rest of the chicken-shit calls went against UK. Missouri's only TD occurred with blatant holding that wasn't called. That said, I don't think the officiating crew was dishonest, just incompetent.
 
We weren't talking about you in particular - just the general notion that Missou has one of the top defenses in the country was based on absolutely nothing. What, a D2 team and last year's worst offense in FBS? Something like that? Not saying that it speaks poorly of your defense - it just doesn't say anything about it. Literally no conclusion could be drawn about it, yet we heard its praises sung all week.

I agree. I had no clue what to expect. The defense looked pretty good against those guys, but yeah, it was SEMO/ASU and UCONN. Decent defense, but nothing close to the hype in my opinion....
 
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Don't get me wrong, as I'm a Pinkel fan (heck, he's the winningest coach in Mizzou history), but I can't tell you how made fun of Pinkel was by Big 12 fans). What I don't understand is that Pinkel has said that this front 7 is the best he's ever had at Mizzou.....You don't almost get beat by ASU, UCONN and get beat in your first SEC game with your best front 7 ever.....Doesn't make sense.
Personally...the front 7 led by Ealy, Sams, with Ray and Golden as depth was just nasty. I think the talk this front 7 being better than that front 7 today is not reality.
 
Well, I tried to come on here and give my thoughts on the game. About ten people had to look at one little statement I made and ran with it and derided my post. That's fine, it's a message board, I should know better. I would say that this is Bush league, but honestly, this is Big 12 crap talk (ie: Oklahoma). . Kentucky deserved to win this game. I know you DO NOT like the fact that I say UK deserved to win, but it's true. Best of skills. Don't have time for this. Goodnight all. Thank you to the folks that were friendly and maybe enjoyed a little opposing banter.
 
Well, I tried to come on here and give my thoughts on the game. About ten people had to look at one little statement I made and ran with it and derided my post. That's fine, it's a message board, I should know better. I would say that this is Bush league, but honestly, this is Big 12 crap talk (ie: Oklahoma). . Kentucky deserved to win this game. I know you DO NOT like the fact that I say UK deserved to win, but it's true. Best of skills. Don't have time for this. Goodnight all. Thank you to the folks that were friendly and maybe enjoyed a little opposing banter.
You're the one who warned us that your post would sound like excuses.

Also, WTF is this crap about how Towles doesn't get credit for completing passes because his guys were wide open? That's beyond stupid. His passes were lasers and they hit receivers IN STRIDE. Besides, that fade route in the end zone was far from wide open.

Next time you come to offer congrats, just do it and move on. Don't offer lame excuses and then act butthurt when people rightly call them out as such.
 
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Excuses. Other than the "spot" comment, which I'll give you, please explain. Please name something I said that didn't apply during Mizzou's games vs at least ASU and UCONN.

A few observations that I'd like to say, and while I realize that some of them will come off as either excuses, or whatever, I'm going to say them anyway.

ZouFan08
Duh.
 
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I think most UK fans feel like this game should be looked at as a win every year or at least a toss up game in Columbia and UK favored from here on out at home. I would say Miss. St, Vandy, S. Carolina, Ole Miss, Ark, Mizzou are teams that UK fans feel are toss ups in most years.

Mizzou has done a phenomenal job the last 2 years, just great but this is a program that I think will be looked upon as coin flip game as to who wins.
IMO
 
Kentucky is the better football team. The better team won. Two awful calls against UK (bogus PI and bogus late hit personal foul when Mauk was a full yard in-bounds) cost us at least a touchdown.

All told, UK is 1-2 touchdowns better than Missouri and it showed tonight. UK was good in most phases of the game. Refs kept it closer than it was.

No complaints about Mizzou. I love the way they run their program and Pinkel is a portrait of consistency. Tigers are a bit thin this year but they'll be back. They are a credit to the SEC.
 
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