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By JON WILNER | jwilner@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group Mercury News

June 12, 2017 at 6:00 am


Early-April Rankings


25: Virginia (previous: 23). Tony Bennett and the defense are more than enough for a spot in the rankings but not nearly enough for a deep NCAA run. Cavs have to find some offense.


24: TCU (previous: 25). Never discount the impact an NIT title can have on the ensuing season, both because of the experience and confidence gained.


23. Gonzaga (previous: 3). That’s a long fall. But Zach Collins and Nigel Williams-Goss are huge losses (on top of the departing seniors).


22. Baylor (previous: 19). Enough returning to remain on the fringes of contention for … for everything.


21. Butler (previous: 14). The drop is entirely rooted in coach Chris Holtmann’s move to Ohio State last week. It’s an odd time, and he’s a good coach.


20. Miami (previous: NR). Jim Larranaga will turn 68 this fall. The 2017-18 Canes might be his last best chance to return to the Final Four.


19. Florida (previous: NR). Not all-in with the Gators because of Devon Robinson’s departure but, admittedly, didn’t give their returning core enough credit with the April rankings.


18. Saint Mary’s (previous: 24). No roster changes and a five-spot jump thanks to attrition elsewhere, including in Spokane. Now the Gaels find themselves as the WCC favorite.


17. Northwestern (previous: 16). Wildcats aren’t getting as much love as Team X would if all five starters were returning. Then again, Team X probably didn’t 75+ years without making the NCAAs.


16. Xavier (previous: NR). The jump from the also-considered category to No. 16 is due, entirely, to Trevon Bluiett’s return. Had figured him for the NBA at the time of the original writing.


15. Cincinnati (previous: 18). Top scorer Jacob Evans and Kyle Washington lead what should be the best team in the American that didn’t just join the American.


14. UCLA (previous: 15). What I wrote in April still holds: The recruiting class is loaded, but Lonzo Ball’s departure counts double given how he made everyone else better, including Steve Alford.


13. Notre Dame (previous: 13). First-rate inside-outside combo of Bonzie Colson and Matt Farrell make the Irish a Sweet 16 contender yet again.


12. West Virginia (previous: 17). Jevon Carter’s return fueled the five-spot jump. Only team capable of challenging Kansas for the Big 12 title.


11. North Carolina (previous: 12). Lost a lot, returns a lot. The issue isn’t so much UNC, which returns Joel Berry and a handful of key contributors, but the ACC, which is loaded once again.


10. Minnesota (previous: 9). The top challenger to Michigan State in the Big Ten has five of its top-six scorers back for Richard Pitino.


9. Louisville (previous: 1). Donovan Mitchell’s decision to remain in the draft was the prime driver in the Cardinals’ fall from No. 1 in the early-April ranking. Plenty to like, but not quite enough.


8. Kansas (previous: 10). Might be a tad lower than KU’s placement in similar rankings. Bill Self typically gets the most out of his roster in the regular season, but replacing Frank Mason and Josh Jackson without some slippage is a tall task.


7. USC (previous: 11). Not a misprint and not South Carolina. The Trojans were a big winner on the draft decision front and have all their key pieces back to make a run for the Pac-12 title.


6. Duke (previous: 8): Returnee Grayson Allen will team with freshmen Trevon Duval and Gary Trent Jr. to make a formidable core.


5. Kentucky (previous: 7). Same old story for Big Blue: Lose a load of talent, bring in a load of talent. Is the 2017-18 freshman class, led by Hamidou Diallo, good enough to power a Final Four run? It would certainly seem that way.


4. Villanova (previous: 4). Easy to discount the Wildcats with the departures of Josh Hart and Kris Jenkins and the disappointing end to 2016. But that would be foolish, especially with a lead guard like Jalen Brunson.

3. Arizona (previous: 6). Loss of Chance Comanche and Kobi Simmons more than offset by the returns of Allonzo Trier and Rawle Alkins and the arrival of heralded big man DeAndre Ayton.


2. Wichita State (previous: 2). Everyone’s back from a team that pushed Kentucky to the brink in the round of 32. Move to the American will simply serve to toughen and sharpen the Shockers for the NCAAs.


1. Michigan State (previous: 5). The return of big man Miles Bridges, combined with all the other proven production (i.e., No. 2 scorer Nick Ward) vaults the Spartans into the top spot in a season that appears to lack a team to beat.


Also considered: Seton Hall, Utah, South Carolina, Maryland, Creighton, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Missouri, Rhode Island, Purdue, Alabama, SMU, Virginia Tech, Florida State, Michigan, Arkansas and Wake Forest

Do you guys agree with the top 10????

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Crazy to see Wichita ranked 2nd. They were clearly a very good team and return everybody, so it's possible they're a Final Four team this year. I'm very skeptical about a 15-loss Michigan State team being #1. Arizona should be a 1 seed yet again, but we'll see if Miller can ever get over the hump. Hard to rank most of these teams, when so much depends on how newcomers perform.
 
Crazy to see Wichita ranked 2nd. They were clearly a very good team and return everybody, so it's possible they're a Final Four team this year. I'm very skeptical about a 15-loss Michigan State team being #1. Arizona should be a 1 seed yet again, but we'll see if Miller can ever get over the hump. Hard to rank most of these teams, when so much depends on how newcomers perform.

Good point on Michigan State...Wichita is going to be a very good team...if Miller can keep egos in check UA could be #1...

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Crazy to see Wichita ranked 2nd. They were clearly a very good team and return everybody, so it's possible they're a Final Four team this year. I'm very skeptical about a 15-loss Michigan State team being #1. Arizona should be a 1 seed yet again, but we'll see if Miller can ever get over the hump. Hard to rank most of these teams, when so much depends on how newcomers perform.

MSU was very young last season. Their best players were all Freshmen. They are still a little young, but the four Sophs played a lot last year, so they have experience. Bridges is a NPOY candidate. Izzo is a great coach. They should be #1, IMHO.
 
Crazy to see Wichita ranked 2nd. They were clearly a very good team and return everybody, so it's possible they're a Final Four team this year. I'm very skeptical about a 15-loss Michigan State team being #1. Arizona should be a 1 seed yet again, but we'll see if Miller can ever get over the hump. Hard to rank most of these teams, when so much depends on how newcomers perform.
Nah man they were a 10 seed and there was no conspiracy.
 
Kentucky brings in roughly equal to what it lost, as a whole.

Meanwhile, UNC brings in a grad transfer and a 4-star recruit, and loses like 5 key players..

Yet, it's all the same, right?
 
Fun Fact: Kentucky played 8 games against these top24 teams last year..

I have to imagine the only other school on this list that can say that is an ACC school, simply because they had no choice but to play some of these teams.

Kentucky WANTED to play UCLA, UNC, Kansas, UofL..
 
USC being where they are is a testament to the coaching ability of coach Andy Enfield. This is a guy im keeping my eyes on for future big time coaching hires. Has turned around 2 consecutive programs into winners.
 
Wichita is too high. KU is too low. Switch them up and it's about
right, IMHO. Maybe move Zona to 2 and KU to 3. My top five: MSU, Zona, KU, UK, Duke.

I haven't seen Wichita's schedule but it would not surprise me if they were undefeated again by tournament time. They were really good last year and this will be a down year in college basketball.
 
I haven't seen Wichita's schedule but it would not surprise me if they were undefeated again by tournament time. They were really good last year and this will be a down year in college basketball.

Good point, but I think they moved to the AAC. Probably play @UConn and @SMU. Not easy places to win, usually. Both are expected to be tourney teams this year. I would say they drop at least one in conference, everyone will be gunning for them with their ranking and reputation.
 
Good point, but I think they moved to the AAC. Probably play @UConn and @SMU. Not easy places to win, usually. Both are expected to be tourney teams this year. I would say they drop at least one in conference, everyone will be gunning for them with their ranking and reputation.

Even if they drop one they will probably be the overall number one seed with that record. And I'm sure we would probably be in their bracket if we're not a one seed because we know the committee loves storylines and Wichita wants their revenge.
 
Fun Fact: Kentucky played 8 games against these top24 teams last year..

I have to imagine the only other school on this list that can say that is an ACC school, simply because they had no choice but to play some of these teams.

Kentucky WANTED to play UCLA, UNC, Kansas, UofL..

Kansas played ten games against this top 25.

TCU x 3
Baylor x 2
WV x 2
UK
Duke
MSU
 
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I think these rankings are accurate. It looks like UK has a loaded schedule as always as Kansas, UCLA, Louisville, and Florida are on there. Also several SEC teams and VA Tech can get ranked when UK plays them. Missouri came from the dead, they were mediocre their first SEC year and terrible ever since.
 
Even if they drop one they will probably be the overall number one seed with that record. And I'm sure we would probably be in their bracket if we're not a one seed because we know the committee loves storylines and Wichita wants their revenge.

Maybe. Of course their RPI and SOS isn't going to do them any favors. Usually a mid-major has to go undefeated to get a 1 seed. The AAC is a mid-major, albeit a high mid-major. If they have 1-2 losses and its between them and a high major with 3-4 losses, I think the 1 seed goes to the high major. Still, who knows what the committee will do? It's a moving target when it comes to trying to figure out what they will do from year to year.
 
Once the tourney starts, I probably won't have Arizona making the final four in my bracket, but to start the year returning a lot of talent and adding a player like Ayton to the frontcourt, I see no reason not to have them ranked so high. Ayton is a man child. The dude might just be enough to keep the Wildcats from being knocked out before the final four.

With Miles Bridges returning, I don't know if MSU is the best team in the country good, but they will be a good team and probably deserves to start off ranked as high. We all know how talented Miles Bridges is. We recruited the kid for a long time. I'm still a ill shocked the kid came back to college. With his frame and skillset, he might have been one of the few kids actually ready to play in the NBA. Good for college basketball, maybe not for Kentucky if we end up near them in the NCAA tourney.

I like Bill Self and think the man can really coach with the best of them. By the end of the season, he probably gets the best from the guys at KU, but if I'm being honest, I don't see what the fuss is about. Newman is not what most thought during his recruitment. It happens. I don't think that kid has what it takes to be a contending team's best player. Self will find a way to have KU playing tough basketball, but just looking at talent level of the roster he has to work with, I don't see what many seem to see while talking about KU's predicted upcoming season.
 
Once the tourney starts, I probably won't have Arizona making the final four in my bracket, but to start the year returning a lot of talent and adding a player like Ayton to the frontcourt, I see no reason not to have them ranked so high. Ayton is a man child. The dude might just be enough to keep the Wildcats from being knocked out before the final four.

With Miles Bridges returning, I don't know if MSU is the best team in the country good, but they will be a good team and probably deserves to start off ranked as high. We all know how talented Miles Bridges is. We recruited the kid for a long time. I'm still a ill shocked the kid came back to college. With his frame and skillset, he might have been one of the few kids actually ready to play in the NBA. Good for college basketball, maybe not for Kentucky if we end up near them in the NCAA tourney.

I like Bill Self and think the man can really coach with the best of them. By the end of the season, he probably gets the best from the guys at KU, but if I'm being honest, I don't see what the fuss is about. Newman is not what most thought during his recruitment. It happens. I don't think that kid has what it takes to be a contending team's best player. Self will find a way to have KU playing tough basketball, but just looking at talent level of the roster he has to work with, I don't see what many seem to see while talking about KU's predicted upcoming season.


Kansas and Zona both do not play well at tournament time.
 
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Virginia Tech will be much better than virginia, they should be ranked, first poll I've seen they weren't in the top 25. Not sure Nova has enough to be top 5, though I can see them being top 10. Mich st will be very good, they're not a one man show. Nick Ward was crazy good as a freshman and will be dominant this year, Winston is an up and coming point who could be one of the best by March and Langford is an ideal two guard. I like them slightly better than Zona due to Izzo being on the sideline. Granted there were a lot of nba departures and transfers but I really don't think this is a down year, that's said a lot of seasons because people tend to look more at what was lost than who's back and who's coming in.
 
Kentucky brings in roughly equal to what it lost, as a whole.

Meanwhile, UNC brings in a grad transfer and a 4-star recruit, and loses like 5 key players..

Yet, it's all the same, right?
We also have a coaching staff very accustomed to losing the level of production we did. Still some questions up in the air. Is Ayton going to be eligible? Markkanen is the big loss for Arizona not Simmons and he and Ayton at the very most will be a wash if he is eligible. Cal dropped Ayton for a reason. Maybe the best thing that happened to Ayton is Duval going to duke. Can't let Duval play and not Ayton although the NCAA may surprise everyone and neither is eligible. Be curious to see if Bridges is healthy got a vibe he may be injury prone and he will play ridiculous minutes again this season.
 
I like Bill Self and think the man can really coach with the best of them. By the end of the season, he probably gets the best from the guys at KU, but if I'm being honest, I don't see what the fuss is about. Newman is not what most thought during his recruitment. It happens. I don't think that kid has what it takes to be a contending team's best player. Self will find a way to have KU playing tough basketball, but just looking at talent level of the roster he has to work with, I don't see what many seem to see while talking about KU's predicted upcoming season.

Sorry, but I don't see how you can like a guy that routinely has so many thugs on his team, and he does nothing to them. This past season is not a new thing.
 
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