Coen planting Roots
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I hope so. In the short term he can be a great OC. In the long term he “might” end up on a short list of Stoops’ successors.
Win-Win Situation!!
No offense to him or any coach but over valuing things these guys say is a fools errand. I mean even the guys that mean it, mean it at the time under their current circumstances. And life is always changing and career paths are always changing. I doubt he thought he would be leaving LA after a year when he went out there
I love coen and who doesn't. That said, I will wait to see what he does rather than just listen to what he says. He has that special uncanny ability to say exactly what people want to hear.
Yeah, but I get the gut feeling he wouldn't mind a 3, 4 or 5 year hitch, banking high six, or low seven figures in a town with two-thirds of the cost of living of NFL cities.
We'll see.
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Nothing wrong with that, but I also see & feel the way he left us, the way he handled it, for that huge opportunity & the way that he handled leaving the Rams.
He’s professional & loyal to those who he committed too. Passing up the Super Bowl champs is hard to do, but he helped & tried to find the right OC for Stoops & UK to carry on.
It just didn’t work out either with him or Scang for whatever reasons, but he came directly back!! Pretty Loyal in my eyes!!
Based on every interview I've heard from him so far, his career goals have changed. He wants to be a CFB head coach, not NFL.
He saw first hand this season how bad draft positions and salary cap hell can turn a franchise from a winner to a hopeless situation. Plus in the NFL as a head coach nobody gets control of personnel anymore. In CFB the head coach can be also be playcaller, and general manager.
So, to achieve his goals he needs to do more than call good plays and score points in 2023. He has to show he is a top line recruiter. And ob he is diving in both feet recently on HS QBs. He has to show he can develop high school kids, not just older portal tfrts. This is another reason he will be here 2, maybe 3 seasons.
He saw first hand this season how bad draft positions and salary cap hell can turn a franchise from a winner to a hopeless situation. Plus in the NFL as a head coach nobody gets control of personnel anymore. In CFB the head coach can be also be playcaller, and general manager.
So, to achieve his goals he needs to do more than call good plays and score points in 2023. He has to show he is a top line recruiter. And ob he is diving in both feet recently on HS QBs. He has to show he can develop high school kids, not just older portal tfrts. This is another reason he will be here 2, maybe 3 seasons.
Again, nothing at all against Coen and he may want those things, but coaches have very little option to say anything other than what they do. If they say otherwise it’s a ‘screw up’. You have to make fans feel better but more importantly they have to say this stuff for the guys that are being recruited.
I mean you are right, they call it coach speak for a reason..
But the way Coen has handled himself thru all this & the good things he did & is now currently doing for us, he gets the benefit of the doubt in my eyes.
But I feel ya, things also happen & we can be easily fooled as well, nothing wrong with having caution because we hear coaches lie “coach speak” all the time!!
Didn`t Coen get married a couple of years ago and had a child last year? Being newly married and now a family man, putting down roots for a while maybe a family thing. In my opinion, raising a family in Lexington is much better than in LA.
Honestly it doesn’t ‘bother’ me that it’s this way. What else can coaches do?
Agreed, it is the way it has to be!! They will lose no matter which route they go, especially with the culture we have today! Sadly, it appears many are never pleased anymore no matter what..
Yeah all coached usually lie when making promises about staying or not.
With Coen now, look at his situation and his resume
2018-20 - Rams
2021 - UK
2022 - Rams
2023 - ? - UK
It would be career damaging if he is 1 and done at a 3rd straight job. That makes him unhireable nuclear waste with a lot of people, in NFL and CFB.
I propose from a self preservation, career enhancing move, Liam Coen will be UK OC at least 2 seasons.
With Coen now, look at his situation and his resume
2018-20 - Rams
2021 - UK
2022 - Rams
2023 - ? - UK
It would be career damaging if he is 1 and done at a 3rd straight job. That makes him unhireable nuclear waste with a lot of people, in NFL and CFB.
I propose from a self preservation, career enhancing move, Liam Coen will be UK OC at least 2 seasons.
The lone exception would be lighting the world on fire this year and getting a P5 HC job, which just seems highly unlikely.
I'll be shocked if he's here beyond two years. I think the no buy out speaks volumes. Like last time, we are fortunate to get him however long we can
IMO Coach Coen's next position will be a head coach at a very good College. I'm not saying who - but I have a feeling the school colors will be Blue and White! Regardless, Coen is here until a major college head coaching position comes calling for him.
Go Big Blue!
I'm not sold on his ability to immediately succeed. Not because of his ability to coach, because of what he has been left to work with. In order to be successful, he needs to build a nasty offensive line.
Offensive lines make great QB"s and running backs.
It's ALL about the line.
It's all on Zack Yenser to build a Big Blue Wall and make Coen a hero.
Give me a great line, a knowledgeable, pro connected O.C. and I can recruit skill positions all day.
Offensive lines make great QB"s and running backs.
It's ALL about the line.
It's all on Zack Yenser to build a Big Blue Wall and make Coen a hero.
Give me a great line, a knowledgeable, pro connected O.C. and I can recruit skill positions all day.
Very highly unlikely.
Any P5 AD in Nov 2023 who suggests Coen as a candidate would be screamed down by his boosters & local media. Even if UK O were top 10.
"Look at his job hopping! He will be gone as soon as possible to an NFL job!!!" We need stability, someone to rebuild!!!"
Fun to speculate on who could be Stoops successor in ever how long, 4 years, 6 years, 10 years. Coen is making his name but so is Brad White. Jon Sumrall had a great year at Troy and looks to be P5 bound in 2-4 years. Then there's Neal Brown, who has been on a bumpy road the last couple of years at WVU but is still young and is an experienced HC. And his new OC is former UK RB Chad Scott.
Two guys with UK ties are in their "salad days" of building their coaching resumes'. Maxwell Smith is QB coach at a small college in Ohio, Mike Hartline was recently named WR coach/passing game coordinator at University of Charlotte. Where will those guys be 4-10 years from now? Maybe they will have hit it big by then. Have to figure Mike's brother Brian will eventually get a P5 job, how would that serve Mike?
Bottom line is things change very quickly, coaches come and go, coaching legends emerge. Five years ago we never heard the word "portal" unless we were talking UFOs, now the portal has changed college football probably forever. I think if we look at UK post-Stoops, with the names mentioned here, that the future is bright. Hope I'm around in 4-10 years to see it.
I agree with all you say here. Many good looking potential power 5 coaches coming from the Mark Stoops coaching tree. A tribute to Coach Stoops and anyone of them would be welcomed at UK when the time comes. I think Coen is heading toward the Lincoln Riley path - however, I also agree he has to prove himself at a location for more than two years - but not much more. I think he has a very good chance to fulfilling his 3 year contract here. But after that all will depend on UK's success. I have a feeling that Mark Stoops will try to reach the 100 win total before he hangs it up - but I don't think Coach Stoops has the goal to be a Nick Saban and coach forever. I think his personal health and family will figure into it and his family will drive the final decision.
Go Big Blue!
Name I omitted but needs inclusion is Scott Woodward. He's UK's WR coach but has QB coaching experience. With his close ties to Coen it's only natural that with success he could be inline for an OC job and eventually a HC. He's proven to be a solid recruiter also, this guy is one to watch.
I agree. His brother Bob seems to have rubbed off on Mark as far as staying at one school and not job hopping around. Could possibly mean he also follows Bob and retires early and has time to enjoy his family.
He will not have that problem when he got here we were weak at the QB position and frankly still are he will get one and you will be singing another song
Yeah not likely. Seems more likely for something like a top tier sec school could overpay him as oc before that would happen
Look around the SEC; Monken has been OC at Georgia for 3 years as of now (looking like he will bolt for NFL oc job), Briles was Ark OC for 3 yrs, Sark was Bama OC for 2 yrs, Kiffin did it for 3. Establishing yourself multiple yrs as an elite playcaller in the top conference is a fantastic career boost.
Yeah the whole scenario of why he left, how he left, and why he came back all make complete sense and handled well and didn’t surprise at all so nothing negative to any of that.
FWIW, I was told Coen just bought a huge home near Champions golf course, so sounds like roots to me.
OTOH, last year, Scangarello paid $1M for a condo in the new City Center complex on Main Street, which given he is a single man, and that is a brand new development with no proven track record for resale, I thought was a questionable business decision. As it turned, out he made more than a few questionable calls last year.
OTOH, last year, Scangarello paid $1M for a condo in the new City Center complex on Main Street, which given he is a single man, and that is a brand new development with no proven track record for resale, I thought was a questionable business decision. As it turned, out he made more than a few questionable calls last year.
Buying a $1,000,000 condo in Lexington is somehow a sign showing lack of commitment?
That's not what I meant just meant to say he made a poor business decision, especially in a brand new job
No.
It showed commitment.
Tskwared notes the evident foolishness of that commitment, juxtaposed with other questionable decisions, ie, those made on the field.
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Liam Coen is young. That is a double edge sword. He has not had very many years to think about what he ultimately wants, and Mrs. Coen is going to have a voice in that too. But if he sticks at it, he seems to have the kind of charisma and tactical prowess that can lead to a successful coaching career.
That’s really just an ‘in the city’ vs ‘out of the city’ decision. Between the money he makes and the deal on the loan those guys get from central bank I don’t know that it indicates any particular mindset. I am not one that believes he’ll be gone next year because I don’t think there will be any opportunities that quickly. As much as we’re paying it won’t be for money, it won’t be to the nfl, it won’t be for an hc gig that quickly and much like stoops I don’t see any of the small number of schools that would pay him to leave it aren’t going to be doing it for ‘pretty good for Kentucky’ performance after a season.
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