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Cavs Shoulda Been Lineup

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PG- Irving
SG- Smith
SF- James
PF- Love
C- Varejo/Moscov

Does this lineup when healthy beat Golden State?

IMO they win it in 5 or 6.
 
Problem is Love probably isn't coming back. You also have to factor the trade off because Irving and Love are a definite downgrade defensively. It probably would have been a lot more entertaining with all of the scoring.
 
They could go nine deep with James Jones in the rotation. Sucks that we couldn't see Cleveland at full strength though. I'll be interested to see the roster moves the Cavs make in the offseason.
 
Problem is Love probably isn't coming back. You also have to factor the trade off because Irving and Love are a definite downgrade defensively. It probably would have been a lot more entertaining with all of the scoring.

Defense helped the first half of the series, but was a non-factor the last half. At the end of the day, you can steal a game or two against Golden State with defense, but it won't define a series. LeBron needed to score probably double or close to that than what he did tonight for the Cav's to win. I turned the game off with about 4 minutes left. As for Love, I have no idea. I don't keep up with the NBA. I thought he had a separated shoulder, and would be back baring Cleveland lasted long enough, but I guess I was wrong. Irving pretty much stays hurt. I already have a good idea of how his NBA career will progress.
 
Probably...its another NY Yankee style built Lebron roster. Don't get me wrong, mad props to Lebron for showing what he did this post-season, but if they keep everyone..going to be eye rolling how easily they win the east next year (hell, it was easy this year other than a slip up against Chicago here and there!), and once you get to the Finals (which they will EVERY season for the next 4-5 years) they will definitely win 2-3 at least.
 
Cleveland Cavs would have won in 6 with those 3 starters out for the playoffs. Kyrie Irving is their floor general and that helps Lebron James and not being tired by 4th quarter. Kyrie Irving was averaging 25 ppg. and Kevin Love near 20 ppg. and always can count on Love's Double/Double each night, and Anderson Varejo is another good player that would have helped underneath for the Cavs. Thos 3 missing in the Championship is approx. missing 55ppg. and double digits in rebounding, and your assist man and floor general in Kyrie Irving. I believe that the Cavs could have taken this in 5 or 6 games with those 3 in starting lineup with James and Thompson. It was too much for Lebron James to put on his back alone and win the Championship!
 
It is fun to play make beleive. I think with Noel we would have made the Tournament. With Anderson we would have beat Arizona, With Bogans, Tubby gets his second title and retires here. etc.
 
Don't think so. Cleveland still wouldn't have enough depth. Warriors best record in toughest conference, the west.
Just like Alabama won the football title because they had the best record in the sec west. This "logic" never ceases to amaze me. Conference strength/record has no bearing when teams square off head to head.
 
Imagine if they draft Noel instead of Anthony Bennett. Keep him and Wiggins instead of making the Love trade. Add that to Irving, Varejao and James. That is a nice foundation for a future of multiple titles.
 
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PG- Irving
SG- Smith
SF- James
PF- Love
C- Varejo/Moscov

Does this lineup when healthy beat Golden State?

IMO they win it in 5 or 6.

Not sure I agree with your logic. IMO, if Varajo stays healthy, the Cavs don't get Shumpert and Smith and Moscov. So, their bench is basically no one. Love would've scored more but would not have played as well defensively as Thompson so that's basically a push. Thompson averaged double digit rebounds so Love's rebounding is a wash, too. Moscov is certainly a better offensive player than Varajo so that is a wash, also. Irving was the big (and, imo, only significant) loss to the Cavs. He's a great offensive players who is barely average on the defensive side. Pretty sure Steph and Klay have even better series without Delli and Shumpert in their grill. With your scenario, Cavs have even less bench so I don't think it's the cakewalk you make it out to be. When GS goes small, certainly Varajo and possibly Love are on the bench. Weaker defense, extremely thin, I think GS still is the better team.
 
Not sure I agree with your logic. IMO, if Varajo stays healthy, the Cavs don't get Shumpert and Smith and Moscov. So, their bench is basically no one. Love would've scored more but would not have played as well defensively as Thompson so that's basically a push. Thompson averaged double digit rebounds so Love's rebounding is a wash, too. Moscov is certainly a better offensive player than Varajo so that is a wash, also. Irving was the big (and, imo, only significant) loss to the Cavs. He's a great offensive players who is barely average on the defensive side. Pretty sure Steph and Klay have even better series without Delli and Shumpert in their grill. With your scenario, Cavs have even less bench so I don't think it's the cakewalk you make it out to be. When GS goes small, certainly Varajo and possibly Love are on the bench. Weaker defense, extremely thin, I think GS still is the better team.
The Cavs were actively looking for another big well before AV went down .
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pedite-cleveland-cavaliers-hitting-trade-mark
 
Not sure I agree with your logic. IMO, if Varajo stays healthy, the Cavs don't get Shumpert and Smith and Moscov. So, their bench is basically no one. Love would've scored more but would not have played as well defensively as Thompson so that's basically a push. Thompson averaged double digit rebounds so Love's rebounding is a wash, too. Moscov is certainly a better offensive player than Varajo so that is a wash, also. Irving was the big (and, imo, only significant) loss to the Cavs. He's a great offensive players who is barely average on the defensive side. Pretty sure Steph and Klay have even better series without Delli and Shumpert in their grill. With your scenario, Cavs have even less bench so I don't think it's the cakewalk you make it out to be. When GS goes small, certainly Varajo and possibly Love are on the bench. Weaker defense, extremely thin, I think GS still is the better team.
It's not Thompson or Love, it's Thompson and Love , that's far from a push. It's not Delavedova oo Irving, it's Delavedova and Irving. The deals were being searched before the AV injury and was well known, three more players would have solved the fatigue issues especially for Lebron. He wouldn't have had to carry the massive offensive load, during the season there were long stretches where he differed to Kyrie and pretty much rested on the floor which also allows him to extend more energy defensively.Next season will be interesting though, OKC healthy, does Aldridge go to San Antonio,etc...... GS is not promised a return, Cleveland is almost a lock to be back in the finals.
 
I can tell several of you guys don't watch the NBA because you can't spell TIMOFEY MOZGOV correctly. Get your Russian NBA names right.
 
AV couldve helped. Love was a bad fit, and definitely shouldnt resign. Best for both parties if he just moves on. Get rid of JR (volume shooter who does basically nothing else) and Shump (awful, and fragile).

Kyrie just takes the ball out of Lebrons hands too much during the playoffs. Mediocre defender. And a big contract. Better value out there, for whats needed. Trade Kyrie for a more defensive minded, pass first PG with a respectable jumper.

Mozgov and Delly are great fits. So is Thompson and AV. The rest need to be dealt, or let their contract expire.
 
They took half a season to come together, but they did. They were 33-3 down the stretch in games that all three played in.
They should definitely bring Love back and add another play making guard. There's no reason to break this " big three" up.
 
Love would have dominated down low, and no way could GS played that small lineup. They would have been forced to keep Bogut on the floor.
 
Love stated to the media he is planning on returning to the cavs, and that was during the finals. Not a guarantee by any means but certainly changed the outlook that he was likely to leave. Considering what he said he's likely to stay. If he leaves he will get destroyed by the media and fans for only caring about numbers, would take a huge hit in popularity.
 
And it's just the 1 year player option. He can opt in and try to win a title and then leave and chase his max contract.
 
Cavs were a shot in the air at the end of regulation in game 1 from being up 3-0 vs. the warriors. That lineup sweeps them with an average MOV of 15.
 
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