I feel like we just caught the "sources" red handed. Big time recruit on campus and Cal just happens to also be talking terms with the Pelicans? Not likely. Glad Cal finally took a proactive approach with these rumors.
Can we offically confirm "Cal to the NBA" is the culprit for this recruiting year?
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I find it very peculiar that as soon as Murray was reported as being on campus that these "sources" start projecting rumors.
The nation is loving that UK has swung and missed on everyone since November. The last thing they want to see is UK land the Canuck.
I made a post a month ago about other coaches using this. I have a friend in the FB dept and he had heard this. When I posted I had everyone calling me a troll or liar, I am neither. Other coaches have been using negative recruiting on us as hard as they can. THey will continue to do this no matter what Cal says.
I think the fact that UK already has what, 5-6 McDonalds All-Americans on next years roster combined with the platoon thing this year have more to do with the strikeouts than anything else. Coach Cal continually thanked the players and parents for "allowing this to happen" (reference the platoon system), but in truth, nobody really had a choice. It was a fluke to begin with (because so many guys returned).
UK fans have become kind of spoiled. Hell, we actually hoped a top ten center would pick UK to play backup to Skal (LOL).
Even with the strikeouts, Kentucky will be one of the most talented teams in the country next season.
GBB!
UK fans have become kind of spoiled. Hell, we actually hoped a top ten center would pick UK to play backup to Skal (LOL).
Even with the strikeouts, Kentucky will be one of the most talented teams in the country next season.
GBB!
I really don't think so. Brown, Newman, and Zimmerman chose Cal, MSU, and UNLV, respectively. If they were worried about elite level coaching, why would they do that?
I guess you could argue that Newman picked MSU because of Howland's track record for getting guys to the pros, but my sense was more that Newman was looking for any excuse to pick MSU.
I can see why Diallo wouldn't want to play behind Skal. I can see why Ingram would want to stay in his back yard and play for another elite team.
I guess I'm not seeing any particularly surprising whiffs. There isn't a single player where I look at the recruitment and think, "he went to school X because he thought Cal might not be here."
I think it's more a combination of fit, and the prospect of playing behind or sharing time with some other talented players. Our roster is still pretty talented.
I guess you could argue that Newman picked MSU because of Howland's track record for getting guys to the pros, but my sense was more that Newman was looking for any excuse to pick MSU.
I can see why Diallo wouldn't want to play behind Skal. I can see why Ingram would want to stay in his back yard and play for another elite team.
I guess I'm not seeing any particularly surprising whiffs. There isn't a single player where I look at the recruitment and think, "he went to school X because he thought Cal might not be here."
I think it's more a combination of fit, and the prospect of playing behind or sharing time with some other talented players. Our roster is still pretty talented.
We were recruiting against a lot of different random schools this year. Lots of misinformation spread all over. When Zimmerman's mom said how it would be hard to follow a team like this year's team, I think she might have been referring to how teams have been saying if Cal went undefeated there would be nothing else to prove on the college level and the fact it bothers Cal that people don't think he could be a success in the NBA it was likely that he would leave. Glad Cal has had enough and hopefully ends the talk for a while.
No that is not the reason...if it was we would be losing out to the big boy schools. Not Msu or Cal. I think coaches try to use it but ultimately with the 1 and done I doubt they are as concerned about a coach leaving for the nba.
If a kid and his family/guardians are foolish enough to let their future be decided by a rumor from some obviously biased desperate coach then there is little can be done to help them. The player nor the family is likely a good match for Kentucky. I frankly don't think that the vast majority of them are really that gullible.
Given the number of threads postulating on whether Calipari is leaving, platooning, running around with martians or picks his nose in public, I'm not so sure about the gullibility of some of our fanbase, however.
Health and safety tip:
DO NOT LET THE MEDIA, FACEBOOK or TWITTER LEAD YOU AROUND BY THE NOSE! Act like you been here before and take responsibility for your own nose.
Given the number of threads postulating on whether Calipari is leaving, platooning, running around with martians or picks his nose in public, I'm not so sure about the gullibility of some of our fanbase, however.
Health and safety tip:
DO NOT LET THE MEDIA, FACEBOOK or TWITTER LEAD YOU AROUND BY THE NOSE! Act like you been here before and take responsibility for your own nose.
Would you do that for your boss? And how is that going to stop a lying recruiter from lying some more to a 17 year old kid? There is only one way to quash the rumors and that option is likely not appealing to him. The rumors would stop if he sucked at his job.
I prefer the rumors.
NOLA.com reported that the Pelicans were unlikely to meet Calipari's salary demands, with New Orleans looking to pay in the neighborhood of $4 million to $5 million per year.
ummm He'd be taking roughly a 50% pay cut from his UK salary, that's probably not happening no matter how long Anthony Davis' coat tails are to ride on. If he ever does go back to NBA, that would be the place i'd like to see him at instead of with LeBron. I think he stays at UK until he retires and the recruiting class this year is just a natural cycle, there are peaks and valleys in life and recruiting classes.
ummm He'd be taking roughly a 50% pay cut from his UK salary, that's probably not happening no matter how long Anthony Davis' coat tails are to ride on. If he ever does go back to NBA, that would be the place i'd like to see him at instead of with LeBron. I think he stays at UK until he retires and the recruiting class this year is just a natural cycle, there are peaks and valleys in life and recruiting classes.
The platoons, LOL! My lord are some of you still on that?
Of course it's negative recruiting, and its also the fact that lots of different people and coaches/handlers know for a fact Calipari was interested in other jobs in the NBA and nearly left last year. Seriously, why in the world would someone think that means nothing? Makes no sense.
As far as the platoons, and forgive me because i just have to laugh at this Matt Jones made up garbage, how in the world could anyone convince a kid not to come here because of playing time, when theres damn endless amounts of time for some of these guys for this year. Are they retarded? Can they not read a depth chart? Are their parents impaired? Are their coaches incompetent? Because thats what it would take for them to believe the platoons are going to reoccur.
platoons........lol......... smdh.
cal going to the NBA has been around EVERY year. never was an impact before.
think people think...
think people think...
I don't believe the Cal to the NBA hurt our recruiting this Spring. Newman was headed to MSU once Ben Howland signed on to be their Head Coach and he went right after Newman. Brown was really never coming to UK, Zimmerman stays at home to play at UNLV, We lose "Slice" Rohrssen to St. Johns and I believe that is why Diallo went to Kansas. If Coach Cal and "Slice" if still at UK goes after Diallo then I believe we get Diallo, Swanigan first went to MSU and decommitted and really wanted to go to Cal with Brown but didn't have enough schollies, then goes to Purdue where his dad played. I just don't think when you look at the players and where they ended up had nothing to do with the Cal to the NBA. If you listened to Coach Cal a number of times after the Final Four and the one Press Conference for the Hall of Fame he said he was very happy at Kentucky and had no plans on leaving for the NBA! It was just a weird Spring Recruiting for Cal and UK basketball. If we can land Murray and lets say maybe Maker then with Briscoe, Skai, Matthews, and Mulder, Murray, Maker to go along with ULLIS, POY, LEE, Willis, and Hawkins we will be just fine next year.
I agree, however cal has never flirted with the NBA like he did last year. when it's known in recruiting circles and in the inner clicks of the high school scene that he was all but gone depending on a few players, that's going to have a ripple effect. And people would be crazy to believe rival coaches are not going to use that knowledge. It's known everywhere the NBA is after cal and He had long talks with Cleveland and nearly bolted.
Like I've been saying, he's missed every single late signee. There's zero chance the best recruiter in the game misses this bad in my mind. There has to be a correlation there. It seems the Cleveland situation has hurt us, or at least has to be considered when forming an educated opinion on the matter.
Of course, it could be a complete fluke as some are suggestin, but man. I don't know. I wouldn't want to bet much on it personally.
There is rumors every yr of coach Cal going to the pro s. Losing asst. coach Antigua a couple yrs ago I thank maybe could have hurt our recruiting.
false. bill self was also linked and turned down the SAME cleveland job last year. has it hurt KU?
and its not an educated opinion....its an opinion based on nothing.
I think the negative recruiting is very obvious and one of the caused for missing out on some of the recruits this Spring but there were other factors too. Some recruits just wanted to stay close to home and others were wanting more playing time and not taking the chance of playing behind guys already at UK or at least playing fewer minutes. Just a very weird recruiting class this year that I sure hope we don't see again anytime soon.
It's hard to compare Self and Cal when it came to the Cleveland job opening last year. Self's involvement was more like Cal and New Orleans this year. Nothing serious more than just agent and team contact. Cal and Cleveland got very close last year. I do think it was the closest he ever got in leaving UK but with all the returning players and a chance to win a 2nd NCAA title he stayed put. Self to the NBA has never seemed to be serious and he doesn't seem to have that itch to jump to the pros. I think Cal is here for at least 2 more seasons but this returning to the NBA has gotten deeper and deeper each year he's been here. I think it's almost inevitable if Cal wins a 2nd NCAA title some quality NBA franchise is going to offer him almost complete control and his ego won't allow him to say no. I won't blame him but I don't want to see him go either. But Self and Cal and the NBA are not comparable.
If guys were worried about Cal bolting to the league because of what happened with the Cavs last summer, then why did Skal and Briscoe commit early? Apparently they weren't too concerned.
Negative recruiting can have an impact, but the players who want to be here look for reasons to make it work, not the other way around.
Kentucky is not everybody's thing. The fact that we lost key wing recruits to MSU and Cal should make that fairly obvious.
B-b-b-but PLATOONS! Matt said so!
Can't it just be that Cal (and by extension, Kentucky) isn't infallible? Must we find excuses?
Can't it just be that Cal (and by extension, Kentucky) isn't infallible? Must we find excuses?
Sensing some Matt Jones hate with this one. Matt Jones is successful and KSR is great. Get over it.
Cal has landed a pretty good percentage of his top targets every year since he has been here. This year has been a major exception. The glaring differences between this year and others is the platoon thing and the constant switching of assistant coaches. The Cal to the NBA rumors have been here since day one. I believe this roster looks TOTALLY different if Coach O was still here.
No hate for Jones. Super entertaining. Tongue in cheek about the people that hang on everything he says.
Negative recruiting is not new. Coaches saying Cal might leave for the NBA isn't new. Rotating assistant coaches isn't new. Sometimes things just don't go your way, no need to make excuses. BTW, it's still a top 5 class.
Why is negative recruiting working this year when it didn't matter for the last 5 years? Cal to NBA rumors are constantly out there, that's not it. The platoon is the only thing that changed this year so that IS the culprit, but it's a one year aberration in my opinion. Cal created the monster, and churn is needed and expected, when 4 or 5 guys stay who were projected to go, it led to his platooning. It was a freak thing that bit them. Cal will adjust, he always is one step ahead of the rest.
How do we decide officially? Is there a vote? Do we have to be at Sleep Outfitters for the drawing?
Whatever it is, I'll be glad when you guys finally settle on it so we can gather together on what to blame and make this all better. I spent like two weeks without sleeping because I thought Willie's love for coloring made us lose to Wisconsin and now all this recruiting talk follows it.
How much can one Cat fan take? Since when is the world not all wrapped up in a little box to make it easier to understand?
Whatever it is, I'll be glad when you guys finally settle on it so we can gather together on what to blame and make this all better. I spent like two weeks without sleeping because I thought Willie's love for coloring made us lose to Wisconsin and now all this recruiting talk follows it.
How much can one Cat fan take? Since when is the world not all wrapped up in a little box to make it easier to understand?
Calipari to the NBA rumors have been around since he first came. We as a fan base have always heard random speculation each offseason about Cal going here, there or yonder. The difference is that no information has ever leaked that would suggest he was actually considering a job up until last year. IMO that gave the negative recruiting that may have always been going on some validity.
Platooning may have made up 5-10 percent of the negative recruiting this year but I think the NBA whisperings were much louder this year. It's been said that Cal was gone if the Harrison's had declared. That information was utlilized (What happens if the Harrison's leave this year? Will Cal leave too?). Also Cal was set to receive about 8 mil from the Cavs to accept the job. Negative recruiters/media member played into that as well (How long until he receives an offer he can't refuse?). So yes Cal to the NBA rumors happen every year but until last offseason they didn't really have any traction.
Rotating assistant coaches is new for UK under Cal. Recruiting is 95% relationship building. The home schools have been on these guys for years with the same coaches making contact. BTW, I'm not sure if I am sold on Tony Barbee as a lead recruiter. He doesn't seem to have the personality of a Coach O or Slice. Seems a little reserved and quiet. I trust Cal's judgement though.
I don't think the NBA stuff has anything to do with it.
I believe that, indirectly, its the platoons. I say indirectly because I think most recruits would be sensible enough to believe Cal when he says it was just a one time thing based on some coming back unexpectedly.
However, it does feed into a concern that, at least I believe, they have that because Cal is such a good recruiter, and the perception that we "load up" on new recruits each season, that based on numbers they might not get the minutes they want & know they can get at another school.
These kids want to play, they want minutes, and if possible, to be "the man." I just think they see those possibilities to be greater someplace else.
I don't see it as that big a deal really. After all, people are losing their minds over whats wrong with recruiting in the midst of a spring where we have a pretty good class coming in.
I believe that, indirectly, its the platoons. I say indirectly because I think most recruits would be sensible enough to believe Cal when he says it was just a one time thing based on some coming back unexpectedly.
However, it does feed into a concern that, at least I believe, they have that because Cal is such a good recruiter, and the perception that we "load up" on new recruits each season, that based on numbers they might not get the minutes they want & know they can get at another school.
These kids want to play, they want minutes, and if possible, to be "the man." I just think they see those possibilities to be greater someplace else.
I don't see it as that big a deal really. After all, people are losing their minds over whats wrong with recruiting in the midst of a spring where we have a pretty good class coming in.
this and other factors too. landscape of basketball is changing. one and done is no longer an "evil" word. with UKs success, others programs/coaches have adopted it and have made more of an effort to go after the big boys. plus...its just a weird class: lsu, msu, unlv, cal, purdue, marquette, maryland, fsu.....9 kids in the top 20 or so picking lesser schools. uk isnt the only big time program that missed on guys. when a player decides to decommit from izzo and bank his career on painter....that should tell you all you need to know about the priorities of the kids in this class.
