Cal Warned Us Last Week
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We'll have a very good team next season, but we're not going to be great, and with a couple of guys returning, we could have been. That's what's frustrating to some of us.
Had nothing to do with Diallo...they don't know but expect him back
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We can be great. I don't know why people think we can't. We've got Gabriel coming back he should improve. Bamba should sign now. We've got a 7 foot shot blocking defensive lon dunking big. Cal loves that. Bam wasn't that.
Green is a team player and should turn heads. Vanderbilt is a stud. Washington should Be a good one.
Green is a team player and should turn heads. Vanderbilt is a stud. Washington should Be a good one.
Getting Bamba is huge.
Not trying to change the thread, but it never ceases to amaze me how many of these green broke kids opt for the draft every year. It has been mainly or boys at UK but now you are starting to see it all across the country it appears to me that these 30 or more that go, it would take 30 losing their job. I know that not all make it and some end up d-league and overseas but still a big turnover and the guys they replace are not flukes but seasoned players.
It's possible we won't be great. We aren't done recruiting, so that's pretty premature to say the least.
Yeah, we could end up having possibly the most well-rounded, talented team under Cal. That's if Bamba and Knox come. But we would be sorely lacking in experience outside of Gabriel, who has yet to show any kind of signs he would be a leader of the new guys. Still if we have this lineup...
Bamba/Richards/SKJ/Wynyard
Gabriel/Washington
Vanderbilt/Knox
Diallo/Baker
Green/Alexander
That is one helluva roster.
Maybe I'm missing it, but are there really people thinking this will be an NIT team? Even without Bamba that won't happen. Too many good players and guards. We'd be a 5-9 seed but we'd make it.
Key thing for UK Staff from what my friend was told was returning to the type of roster Cal prefers--athletic and tall/long with versatility and flexibility. He'll have that no matter what, but he adds the shooting they've targeted in Spring (Baker and Johnson) to go with the rim protection/guy they truly feel they can make the #1 player in country (Bamba), then I see no reason to lower expectations.
8 years, 4 Final Fours, 2 NC games, and 1 title. No reason to lower expectations unless you think it's easy to do and this "all that talent you should win....."--this isn't NBA Best of 7.
Stay positive friends--good things happen when you keep knocking on the door and enjoy the fun ride you all are on!
8 years, 4 Final Fours, 2 NC games, and 1 title. No reason to lower expectations unless you think it's easy to do and this "all that talent you should win....."--this isn't NBA Best of 7.
Stay positive friends--good things happen when you keep knocking on the door and enjoy the fun ride you all are on!
This. It's every year, I feel like UK is missing the boat. It's great that these kds are getting to the league, well, most of them, but it's gone way too far, kids are jmping to go play oversees.
We have people running all over this board telling us how we are supposed to feel. They are all on board with these kids jumping, I'm not good with it. UK is 1 or 2 players short from a title every year because of it.
Anyone that wants to attack this post, save your energy, you feel how you feel, I feel how I feel. I get it, you don't turn down lottery pick money, I'm fine with that, but most of these kids aren't lottery picks and UK has to rebuild every year.
Yup, we have been to a bunch if final fours and that is a direct reflection of Cal's hard work and coaching, but, like I said, we're always 1 or 2 players short of a title. Titles aren't guaranteed, but UK would curb stomp everyone if some of these players returned.
I care about UK, not NBA draft picks.
I love the players that have come through these doors the last 7 years, but I hate the system.
Without the system, we don't get all those players though. And likely, most years, we end up 1-2 players short of a title, just in a different way.
So many people think they can have the best of both worlds, and you can't. There are only studs (De'Aaron Fox, Davis, Towns), frustrating long-term players (Marcus Lee), and projects (Derek Willis). There are no long-term studs. And if you want to build a team out of long-term frustrations and project players, you have to eat a three-year **** sandwich before every Final Four run, and sometimes for much longer than that. Everyone needs to love what we're doing right now, because this is as good as it gets.
Everything so far has been expected. Including Diallo entering since he had no reason not to enter and get a feel for his stock since that's what the rules allow. I 100% expect him back especially since he'll get picked much higher in the next draft which is a very weak class. I do not expect Diallo to leave. If he does it'll be a big surprise. But as long as he returns then everything will have pretty much gone as expected. AND if we get bamba we'll be destined for 9. I expected bam to leave and I expected him leaving to give us more of a chance at Bamba and with Bamba protecting the rim we'll be by far the best team this coming season.
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Give Cal a bunch of 3 and 4 star players for 3 or 4 years with some studs mixed in and watch what happens.
Cal proved what he could do at UMass and Memphis with teams made up of 4 year players. He gets the most out of his players.
Losing 4, 5, 6 players every year is living on the edge and it takes mist if the season just to get the team to learn to play together.
I love the players we've had, but, in my opinion, it's all about the NBA. I am a UK fan, could care less about the league .
I love Cal and think he can get the absolute most out of any player, but his interest is getting studs to the NBA. He definitely wants to win titles, but getting kids to the league is priority #1.
The 3 and 4 star players want to play too. They would love to play in the NBA as well. If they don't play, they transfer. If they excel too much, they go to the league. Cal doesn't have a crystal ball.
Huh? What 3 and 4 star guys do you see jumping or even attempting to jump? Hawkins and Willis fit the profile of 3 and 4 star guys, they stayed through their senior years.
What 4 star jumped after hs freshman year? 3*?
I get Fox and Monk leaving, totally get it, nobody is saying anything about them, but Hump? Briscoe? Bam (I actually thought he would have been projected much higher than he was, but he's going to end up in the second round. Should have returned.
Every year we are losing players that shouldn't go. I hate the road UK has been heading down.
I said most either leave early or transfer. Since Cal has been here Cal has had Poole (4 star), Matthews (4 star), WCS (4 star), Lee (borderline 5 star), Booker (4 star), and Humphries (4 star) either leave early or transfer. The only players that stuck it out for 4 years were Willis and Hawkins (two Kentucky boys).
What exactly did he do at UMass and Memphis with 3 and 4 star players that stay 3-4 years that he hasn't already done here with 1 and done players? Besides, I don't know, win a championship here. Sure, we had a couple guys return, but we don't win it without the one and dons that were on that roster.
He has been more successful here with the 1 and done system than he's ever been in his entire career. So you want him to revert back to his less successful UMass and Memphis days?
I am confused. We should be counting our lucky stars every year Cal returns to our sideline.
Winning at UK and winning at UMass are completely different animals.
But it's a different method and Cal managed to build those two programs and go on deep tournament runs with 3 and 4 star guys back when he was young.
If he can do it back then he certainly can do it now.
Can he continue to make final fours with freshmen, yup, but take a look at the teams that are winning titles aside from 12 UK and 15 duke.
Cal is a better coach than Jay Wright and Roy Williams, but he's trying to kill two birds with one stone.
Win titles (bird #2) and get as many to the league as possible (bird #1).
He's pegging the crap out of bird #1, but bird #2 keeps getting his life spared because bird #1 keeps getting in the way.
Look, I don't expect a whole lot of posters to agree with me here, most are still riding the "Calipari's way is the only way and that's it" train, they are happy with the final four runs and the 2012 title.
I am too, but I see something that most aren't I guess.
I think if Cal concentrated on bird #2, the rest would take care if itself and he would get better results for UK.
It would require a different mindset for the coaches and players, because their #1 mission every year is to get to the NBA ASAP.
Again, I'm a UK fan, don't care about the amount of draft picks we have , I care about UK, right down to the consecutive 3 pointers made streak.
Since Cal has been here, we fans like to look down our noses at KU, UNC*** and Duke, because their kids return to school. I'm befuddled by this. Isn't this college? Why are we looking down on kids for going back to school?
This 1 and done thing has gone to some posters heads.
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Anything Cal says most on this board eat up. They're Cal fans over UK.
And we would have had more than one title had a corrupt ref not changed momentum in most of our losses with insanely obvious cheating calls.
So 2 of the last 8 titles have been won by the 4 to 5 teams that use the one and done to their benefit is not good, but 6 of 8 titles won by 300+ other schools doing it the opposite way is?? That's the problem. Yes, UCONN has 2 titles doing it that way, and 4 years of NIT play. UNC has a title doing it that way, but we're really only in the hunt for one 1 or 2 other times. Yes there are various ways to do it, and all have the ability to succeed. But none of these are perfect. UNC who was a veteran, talented team, considered to be one of the favorites all year, yet they needed help from the officiating not once, but twice just to make the final four. Then needed help to just get to the championship game. There is more than roster building that goes into a Championship, but people have to have something to blame.
There is NO WAY possible to make Final Four run with an all freshman team at UK with Cal coaching. The NCAA will never allow that to happen. We will be in the toughest bracket possible and will have to beat horrendous refs. If I learned anything this year, it was the refs do have an agenda against Cal and UK. That North Carolina game in person was ridiculous.
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We can be positive but also realistic .. we will NOT be in position to get a high seed for the tourney which makes things more difficult. The team will have to grow up and meld together quicker than any past UK team. Can it happen? Yes .. but odds ARE against it. Agree it will be fun (until it isn't)
Since Cal's been here we've been more successful than all of those teams except maybe Duke, and they're doing exactly what we are.
We've tried adding guys that will be around for awhile who have the chance to actually play. They all either exceed expectations and leave early or they transfer because they know they probably won't play until their junior or senior season. Hawkins and Willis were fans of the program who had no NBA future. That's the only reason they are still here. The only way you get what you want while maintaining our current level of success is if a bunch of really good Kentucky kids start popping up out of nowhere.
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This tweet was meant for people like you:
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UK doesn't need to be great to get to the final four and try to win a title next year. If they are very good, they will be in the hunt.
I think you are on to something. A nine seed is probably close to our ceiling. If we can win the SEC tournament we may get a 5 or 6 seed. Nothing wrong with that when chances are you play 5 freshmen starters.
Well, I'm not going to play the "refs helped them win card", I think that's lame.
But I have to ask, what do you think the reason is for the refs to help UNC? Do you think they hate UK because of the one and done and Cal?
Why? There has to be a reason, what's your gut feeling on it?
I disagree, UK is the only one doing what UK is doing. Duke and KU are doing modified versions of it. They are retaining far more players than UK is.
I think KU and Duke should be winning more than they do in the tournament, but I think that's because they don't get the most out of their players like Cal does.
Give Cal the returns that Self and K have had and we have 2 more titles not counting the 2010 and 15 misses.
There is a way to do this without losing every key guy every year. That's all I'm saying. We need veterans. We will have a good team in 17/18, but it's not a title winner. Then we are going to be back to square 1 in 18/19 saying this same crap again.
Right now, the NBA is more important than success at UK.
No, no it wasn't. I never told Dearron what to do, never told a single player what to do.
And if DF was reading this board he would know that I said that it was a no brainer that he and Monk had to go. Do I need to go back and quote that post for you? Do I? Because it's right in this thread, won't be hard to do.
Pardon me for being a fan of the program and wanting players to return.
Sorry, but you're a moron if you think for a second that DF's tweet was directed to people that share my opinions.
I don't think the refs wanted to help UNC in the UK game. I think one ref has shown previously his disdain for Cal and UK in the past and he decided to try to affect the outcome in the game because of that. It could have been any team UK was playing.
Could be a hundred different reasons imo. Not the least of which having money on the game. If you haven't seen the video of Higgins calls that screw us over the past few years I suggest watching it. There's no possible way the same guy makes those blatantly unfair calls at critical moments in ncaa tourney games against the same coach and program multiple times without an agenda.
I'm not one for blaming refs and I understand your arguments here but I also know what I've seen with this guy and I know we wouldn't even be having this conversation without that cheating POS reffing our games.
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Umm, you stated that Bam, Hump and Briscoe were all making mistakes. Even said Bam should come back. If that's not saying what's best for them, then what is it?
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