Bye bye USA
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Did I wake up in a new world where the Germans got the A Bomb first?
From the box score, it looks like we shot the ball very well. 23-24 from the line, 48 percent from deep, nearly 60 percent from the field. Yet still lost. Weird.
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Germany 113-111 United States (Sep 8, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Germany vs. United States FIBA game from September 8, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
Sometimes you just get beat. Both teams can execute extremely well and you just lose on 1 bad shot or buzzer beater. That's the nature of the game.From the box score, it looks like we shot the ball very well. 23-24 from the line, 48 percent from deep, nearly 60 percent from the field. Yet still lost. Weird.
Germany 113-111 United States (Sep 8, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Germany vs. United States FIBA game from September 8, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
Shouldn't have lost to Lithuania. THAT's what hurt this team.
the problem is USA aren’t taking the best players to these tournaments anymore and when that happens the rest of the world have caught up to the point where the U.S. can’t just show up and win anymore. The Olympic roster has to be a lot better, KD or bron, and the best players need to be in that roster
I’ll drink an Oct fest beer tomorrow to toast their big win
That is weird, can only mean they got a lot more possessions than we did by turnovers or second chance buckets.From the box score, it looks like we shot the ball very well. 23-24 from the line, 48 percent from deep, nearly 60 percent from the field. Yet still lost. Weird.
Germany 113-111 United States (Sep 8, 2023) Box Score - ESPN
Box score for the Germany vs. United States FIBA game from September 8, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
This used to be on even numbered years in between olympics. Now it's the year prior to the olympics. Stars aren't committing consecutive summers for international ball, so team USA gave up on the model that worked from 2008 to 2016 of asking for the 3-year commitment. We sent YOUNG guys to this tournament, I guess just getting them international experience to maybe be bench guys for next year or stars for the 2028 olympics. We came in SEVENTH in the 2019 world cup with a similar roster of very young rising stars and some c-team rotation guys.
This would not have happened to these guys.
Anthony Edwards is a nice player. When he's the clear, best player on the roster, it will be tough to win in international competition.
No it wouldn't have but also to be fair this years Team USA would have dominated the international teams from back in the dream teams day. They might have not one as easily as dream team did but most all the games would have been blowouts as well. The sport of basketball has really grown these past 30 years and especially the past 10-15.This would not have happened to these guys.
I don't necessarily agree with that statement. Foreign teams haven't just gotten better over the last 10-15 years they were pretty good back then too. I think the issue is this team isn't as talented nor as experienced as the dream team. Would they have won? Probably but they would not have dominated.
I do miss the days when our best guys would commit to Team USA as a pride thing, but I get the nature of the beast is all business now.
Europeans play dang good ball now as they have a population that enjoys it and a lot of their guys are built for the nature of the game.
Europeans play dang good ball now as they have a population that enjoys it and a lot of their guys are built for the nature of the game.
The top NBA guys don't care enough to play and considering their grueling schedules, I understand why they don't want to commit to playing any more than they already have to play. There is a limit to how much a person's body can tolerate.
Anthony Edwards is more than just a nice player, Lol.
They were playing against players who play in the NBA too. It isn't like it use to be when most other countries didn't have NBA caliber players.
The international game has grown much more rapidly over the past 20+ years than the American game.
In 1993, 15 of the 15 best players in the NBA were American, 0 were foreign.
In 2023, 8 of the 15 best players in the NBA were American, 7 were foreign.
This is if you go based off of NBA.com player rankings.
Foreign teams were not elite back in the 90's. The 1992 Olympics, Toni Kukoc was the best foreign player in the Olympics and led his team to the finals, he was what, the 60th best player in the NBA at that time?
Foreign teams now have multiple NBA guys, and some even have multiple NBA All-Stars on the roster, this will be shown during the next Olympics.
Why does it seem like Americans haven't progressed the same way Euro's have? I'm not sure. Some blame the AAU system, some blame the guys that our American players idolized as kids (AI, Kobe for examples: selfish basketball at times). But it is obvious that foreign teams are MUCH deeper and better than they used to be.
I don't deny they haven't gotten better. My point is this team isn't anywhere near as talented as the Dream Team and that this team wouldn't have dominated the 92 Olympics. It's that nobody on this team is at the level of a Jordan, Pippen, Barkely, Bird, Robinson, Drexler Ewing or Malone. Now if you take the best in the NBA right now it's a different argument but if you were asked to pick the top 12 guys in the NBA to go play for USA and win a title how many of these guys would you select? I know my answer.
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No but, they did bomb Pearl Harbor.
According to Bluto.
This.
The point is the USAs best didn't play. I can't take this tournament seriously due to that.
I think this is the biggest issue, the pride in the USA is gone for the most part. It is now just a "me" thing. These players care only about the $, not the sport itself. They can't play a team game like to other countries do. It is truly sad imo. USA needs to become great again in everything not just sports
Wrong wrong wrong. You could count on 1 hand how many foreign players were on an NBA roster in 1992. I'll let you know that you don't have enough limbs to count that number now. Lets not rewrite history.
The Berlin Wall falling changed that. They were very good but were not allowed to play.
How many fingers do you have on your one hand?
I could immediately name you at least 10 right off the top of my head.
Just because they weren't in the NBA doesn't mean they weren't good enough to play in the NBA. It was vastly different back then with foreign guys coming to the US. Some of the best players in the world couldn't play in the US because their country wouldn't let them. Arvydas is the perfect example of that. If he was coming up in Lithuania nowadays, he woud be a top 5 pick in the NBA draft. Instead, he had to wait until he was 32 years old before he could get the US to play in the NBA.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. The NBA was 7.6% foreign during the 90's according to records.
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Globally, the world is getting better and better at basketball - that is being proved by the number of foreign students attending US colleges and universities and the percentage of those guys playing in the NBA. Their coaches, facilities and leagues have upgraded dramatically over the past 10-20 years and the fruits of that are now being borne out in competition.
Couple that with the lack of interest in US players participating in international competition. Players have other priorities and the ones who do sign up to play are usually not A listers. I also think that the NBA has a real problem with a lack of “stars” as the top players are aging out and being replaced by the caliber of player that is equal to or not as skilled as the International players coming into the NBA. Jmo
Couple that with the lack of interest in US players participating in international competition. Players have other priorities and the ones who do sign up to play are usually not A listers. I also think that the NBA has a real problem with a lack of “stars” as the top players are aging out and being replaced by the caliber of player that is equal to or not as skilled as the International players coming into the NBA. Jmo
Hakeem Olajuwon, Drazen Petrovic, Sarunas Marciulionis, Detlef schrempf, Dikembe Mutumbo, Bill Wennington, Rick Fox, Mychal Thompson, Rony Seikaly, Vlade Divac
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Don't even think this is our D team.
REAL QUESTION:
Would a team of ONLY KENTUCKY ALUMNI beat this Team USA and win the FIBA Gold? Obviously yes, right? Only ones eligible to play for Team USA (so not SGA, Murray, etc.)
In no particular order
Booker
Randle
AD
Fox
Bam
Maxey
KAT
Keldon Johnson
Quickley
Herro
Honest question- the above roster wins gold at this FIBA event, right?
Thats about the time Euro players were really starting to enter the league. There were quite a few good players in the 90s from overseas.
100%. AD, Randle, Booker, Fox and Bam are all stars. there’s a chance that all of Booker, Fox, AD and Bam get picked for the olympics.
KAT has been playing for the Dominican Republic so he wouldn’t be eligible for the US.
There were 23 Foreign players in the NBA in 1992. Hakeem ended up playing on the 96 dream team so now we are talking 22. Now we have whole countries full of NBA players. France, Spain, Canada, Austrailia etc...
