Great regular season coach, but in the NCAA tourney...
Bill Self HOF
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And a runner up.
2 Final Fours
9 Elite Eights at 3 different schools including Tulsa
19 straight NCAA tournaments
70% winning percentage in the tournament.
Great regular season coach. Good tourney coach, while a little underperforming.
Joe Hall. Ed Jucker. Gary Williams. Top of my head....
Ed Jucker?
As head coach at Cincinnati, won back to back NCAA championships...followed the next season by a runner-up.
All AFTER Oscar Robertson had graduated.
Left after five seasons. He said the job pressure was affecting his health and his family (his young children didn't recognize him).
His record was 113-28.
His NCAA Tournament record was 11-1.
(And as a bonus, he recruited Sandy Koufax from Brooklyn to UC.)
I didn't say that, I said it ends the discussion. You can't say the guy never done anything when he's clearly won it all.
Sorry no it doesn't . He sucks in the tourney normally. Like he is extra extra bad in the tournament. Bradley. Bucknell.VCU.Stanford.WSU ( when they weren't very good ) . NOrthern Iowa . He sucks in the Dance.Period. He is not a great coach . He is good and any top team not in the top 10 would be happy to have him but he is not an elite level coach but since he wins his conference every year it is overlooked. Cal for example has never had that type of loss , at least at UK and his last 3-4 years at Memphis. I didn't follow him much before that but Cal is $$ in March and is a good for a elite 8 or sweet 16 at worst.
Joe B hall is light years better than Self. He get a bad wrap because he followed Rupp and Knight / Wooden overshadowed his image to an extent. If Joe is not in, Self doesn't need to be in. Title, 3 final fours, NIT title when it meant something is better than Self.
I know you're gonna say it doesn't matter, but imo it does. He won that title by sheer luck and it's probably the result of the biggest choke job in NCAA history. They needed Memphis to do everything wrong including turning the ball over and missing nearly every free throw in the last 3 minutes to overcome an 8 point deficit. He also needed god like shooting from deep to seal it. He got extremely, extremely lucky.
Self doesn't really belong in a "real" HOF discussion but on planet earth, he will be.
I disagree. Calipari only has one title and he is in the HOF. Larry Brown took one team to a championship, and he deserves to be in the HOF as well.
Edit: Brown coached 1 team to a NCAA national championship, not two.
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Anyone that doesn't think he has won enough to be in the conversation clearly hasn't looked who is in the hall of fame.
True. He's going in with tracy mcgrady, so I assume everyone ever has already been voted in.
Owes all of his accolades to Memphis missed free throws & corrupt big12 officials. Reflects poorly on college basketball allowing this schmuck into the hall of fame. Absolutely atrocious.
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