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He could probably start for U of L today.
6'2 340lb sophomore. Sounds like some conditioning needed , but impressive #s
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If he can master long-snapping the ball at the necessary speed, his chances go damn near 100 percent. He would actually be on the large size of LS, as they are completely protected . . . opponents cannot line up nose-to-nose with a LS, or even cross in front of him, prior to the snap. Good LS make good money in the NFL.
And his size is darn near being serviceable at Center and at Offensive guard.
I would get him in camps for long-snappers, and “fall back” to simply mastering snapping to a QB in shotgun formation, if he can’t master the LS speed.
And if he doesn’t want to snap the ball, at all, work him as a Guard and hope he adds some more length.
I agree snapping the ball is important. My son is 6-4 and received a full DIV I scholarship just for long snapping. A few camps and son's hard work saved dad a lot of money.
Usually the coaches like s 220-225 lbs guy so he can cover kicks too.
Hard work will get him as far as HE wants to go!
I'd love for this board to have content from anothet Blake Gumm Sr for a few seasons
Congrats to your son on his numbers. Assuming he is an interior DL or OL. As a young linemen he also needs to work on his flexibility and agility as hard as he clearly does his strength. In today's game both have to have the athletism on the other side of the ball, being strong is great, but not enough anymore. Stress to him to stretch and get his coaches/trainers to design some agility drills. You may already be doing these things but didn't mention, but best of luck to him.
Sophomore, probably still growing. Everyone should wish this guy good luck instead of picking his 15yo kid apart.
Impressive. Hard work wins always my friend. Hopefully he has a desire to become a great football player and if so, with that size as a sophomore, he has a high ceiling if he really outworks everyone else. It’s all on how much he wants it I suppose. Best of luck to him for sure.
yes he can see his feet. moves really well for that size. don't have a 40 time. he has experience at all line positions mostly center. currently playing guard.
Have you had him in summer skills camps? Does he play both ways? 6-2 340 is a good nose guard size.
The biggest hurdle is the mental fortitude to push himself to maximize his body / to work on his craft by himself / to watch tape of his position, ask the right questions to understand how to make the most of each and every opportunity.
You cannot want it for him. You cannot figure it out for him. The switch has to be there and he has to turn it on.
The difference in high school and college is more mental for most. I was a 6 foot 277 lb defensive lineman in high school. I had letters for the likes of LSU, UK, Morehead State and plenty in between. I wanted to stay close to home and was going to play for Morehead back when Phil Simms was QB there. I had a letter of intent on my dashboard when an 87 year old man ran a stop sign, hit the drivers door of my Mazda b2000 pick up trunk with his Buick Roadmaster Station Wagon. I never saw a college field. It is what it is. You never know. It takes lot to make it. It takes more to want it. After my wreck, after my surgeries on my right knee, I never had the want to try to come back. It was gone (meaning my switch was turned off) just like that. I did not get it back.
Was not sad about it. I was ready to move on. I was ready to stop putting my body through all the stress and training. I am almost 60, cannot lift my right arm above the shoulder, my knee is basically gone (no further surgeries except replacement), I have a mutated gene that has caused Episodic Ataxia Type 7 they doctors think. I had many head trauma from football, the car accident and then the normal you get in life, slip on icy driveway and knocked out and then finally the day after christmas in 2006 one last fall in our basement and hit the concrete wall and the Ataxia showed up. Life has not been the same sense.
No sad again. My choices and would not really change them as I loved the sports and things I did in my youth. I love college athletics over pro but it is not amateur. It is a job and you have to love your job 100% to put your body through college athletics.
The biggest hurdle is the mental fortitude to push himself to maximize his body / to work on his craft by himself / to watch tape of his position, ask the right questions to understand how to make the most of each and every opportunity.
You cannot want it for him. You cannot figure it out for him. The switch has to be there and he has to turn it on.
The difference in high school and college is more mental for most. I was a 6 foot 277 lb defensive lineman in high school. I had letters for the likes of LSU, UK, Morehead State and plenty in between. I wanted to stay close to home and was going to play for Morehead back when Phil Simms was QB there. I had a letter of intent on my dashboard when an 87 year old man ran a stop sign, hit the drivers door of my Mazda b2000 pick up trunk with his Buick Roadmaster Station Wagon. I never saw a college field. It is what it is. You never know. It takes lot to make it. It takes more to want it. After my wreck, after my surgeries on my right knee, I never had the want to try to come back. It was gone (meaning my switch was turned off) just like that. I did not get it back.
Was not sad about it. I was ready to move on. I was ready to stop putting my body through all the stress and training. I am almost 60, cannot lift my right arm above the shoulder, my knee is basically gone (no further surgeries except replacement), I have a mutated gene that has caused Episodic Ataxia Type 7 they doctors think. I had many head trauma from football, the car accident and then the normal you get in life, slip on icy driveway and knocked out and then finally the day after christmas in 2006 one last fall in our basement and hit the concrete wall and the Ataxia showed up. Life has not been the same sense.
No sad again. My choices and would not really change them as I loved the sports and things I did in my youth. I love college athletics over pro but it is not amateur. It is a job and you have to love your job 100% to put your body through college athletics.
6’-2” and 340 as a sophomore and likely still growing. Keeping his weight managed and under control and him having the to do that will be the key. We’ve seen guys that big at a young age, struggle with that. Wish him the best and hopefully he has a bright future.
Drop some weight definitely. Do agility drills. Needs to be under 300lbs right now.
I would suggest teaching him how to eat healthy, especially protein, and utilize intermittent fasting to get his weight down. Peoples’ ideas about flexibility and mobility are outstanding. Yoga might help. If he has desire to go with his size, it will only be his ability that determines where he ends up. I am pulling for him … !! BEST OF LUCK !!!!
sorry for your health struggles, blue. But sounds like you have dealt with it all in a boss fashion. kudos to you for that!
At that size he will get noticed if he can play. But like others have stated, he has to have the desire to be the best. If not, he’s just going to be another big body.
I think I saw one time that of all the HS football players in the US, only 20% make it to a college team. And less than 5% make it to a professional level.
Can you give us more details? Does he start on your HS team? Has he attended any camps? Does he WANT to play college ball (some kids don’t). College level commitment is beyond anything he’s seen at HS level.
I think I saw one time that of all the HS football players in the US, only 20% make it to a college team. And less than 5% make it to a professional level.
Can you give us more details? Does he start on your HS team? Has he attended any camps? Does he WANT to play college ball (some kids don’t). College level commitment is beyond anything he’s seen at HS level.
Over 1 million HS football players and 2.6% played D1 and .0023% made it to the NFL.
Hey we get one shot at this world. All set backs are just life. All life is worth living!!
Plenty of opportunities to play CFB and have part or all the scholarship paid for that isn't D1.
I've got several friends who played for Morehead St, Centre, & Cumberland. None of em were 10000000 miles near the NFL. And none of em regret it or would give a second of their time do over at anything else.
he started as a freshman, attended camp at UK will be attending more this summer, he says he wants to play college. I support him in whatever he wants to do but as some have said its mostly on him to put in the effort.
**Warning, nerd alert**
-I'm a former Athletic Trainer, Personal Trainer, Strength/Conditioning Specialist.......lover of football.
1. You can't teach your son's size, passion, and desires. So, congratulations on you both and best of luck with your futures.
2. Be flexible and open. I've known recruits who were not offered a scholly because they weren't flexible and open to play.....and the schools won't always tell you. For example, the kid only wants to play DT, but a school might look at him as a OG. It's ok to tell a school your preference, but be sure to voice that you're open to doing what is best for the team. Also be open to schools. Very few get to play at their dream school. Most have to go to a smaller college, etc.
3. As others have said, as a sophomore he really should be in the #260-280 range.......getting closer to #280+ by his senior year. College workout programs and maturation of the body will take you closer to #300.
4. Speed - Forget the 40. Linemen need 5 and 10 yd splits. Practice getting out of various stances with controlled speed.
5. Technique - THIS IS HUGE! I can not express how much of a deal this is. The #1 complaint that I heard from college coaches is that freshman are horrid with techniques. Most of the time, HS kids learn one very sloppy technique and just rely on their strength/athleticism. Practice no, one, or two handed stances. Practice from both sides of the lines. If you're a DL, practice your punch/explosion, bull rush, rips, swims, stack/shed......from both sides. If you're an OL, practice your punch, wide base, shuffle, chips, etc.
6. Tape - watch video. This is another aspect that most HS players don't do. They'll watch games, but most don't study tape. Learn it as a teenage so that you can apply it in college.
-I'm a former Athletic Trainer, Personal Trainer, Strength/Conditioning Specialist.......lover of football.
1. You can't teach your son's size, passion, and desires. So, congratulations on you both and best of luck with your futures.
2. Be flexible and open. I've known recruits who were not offered a scholly because they weren't flexible and open to play.....and the schools won't always tell you. For example, the kid only wants to play DT, but a school might look at him as a OG. It's ok to tell a school your preference, but be sure to voice that you're open to doing what is best for the team. Also be open to schools. Very few get to play at their dream school. Most have to go to a smaller college, etc.
3. As others have said, as a sophomore he really should be in the #260-280 range.......getting closer to #280+ by his senior year. College workout programs and maturation of the body will take you closer to #300.
4. Speed - Forget the 40. Linemen need 5 and 10 yd splits. Practice getting out of various stances with controlled speed.
5. Technique - THIS IS HUGE! I can not express how much of a deal this is. The #1 complaint that I heard from college coaches is that freshman are horrid with techniques. Most of the time, HS kids learn one very sloppy technique and just rely on their strength/athleticism. Practice no, one, or two handed stances. Practice from both sides of the lines. If you're a DL, practice your punch/explosion, bull rush, rips, swims, stack/shed......from both sides. If you're an OL, practice your punch, wide base, shuffle, chips, etc.
6. Tape - watch video. This is another aspect that most HS players don't do. They'll watch games, but most don't study tape. Learn it as a teenage so that you can apply it in college.
thank you for the advice. the only reason i said i didnt know his 40 is a assumed when i said he moves really well for his size someone would ask his 40.
No problem. And some coaches want to know. There are some coaches who are sticklers for measurements. I knew a OL coach that wouldn't touch a OL that couldn't run under a 5.1 forty......no matter how good they were. Some people are just weird.
Only 15...jesus...probably still has a growth spurt left.
I would say protect those legs/knees. Don't over train. Many "would've, could've, should've..." athlete that didn't quite make it can often trace back the reason to injury. They wear themselves out in high school.
I would highly recommend going down the YouTube/internet rabbit hole of exercise science/training. Specifically lower body. All the muscle/tendon groups in legs, knees...
A lot of times high school strength coaches aren't always up to date, and they're obsessed with wearing the body out with Olympic strength lifts. They squat, and power clean kids to exhaustion.
Same goes for nutrition. Really dig into proper diet/nutrition.
As the old saying goes, the best ability is availability. Big numbers look good on paper but if you have bad knees, and or other injures by 19, what good are you?
Assuming the kid has some real potential and skill on the field in addition to his god given attributes, and strength, I'd get with the coach and strength staff and plan things out. There are college and pro players that don't put those numbers up and sometimes they get capped and aren't allowed to go past a certain point for above mentioned injury/fatigue/exhaustion.
Since size, weight, strength boxes are checked I would probably dial it way back shift focus to cardio, agility, flexibility, endurance.
I would say protect those legs/knees. Don't over train. Many "would've, could've, should've..." athlete that didn't quite make it can often trace back the reason to injury. They wear themselves out in high school.
I would highly recommend going down the YouTube/internet rabbit hole of exercise science/training. Specifically lower body. All the muscle/tendon groups in legs, knees...
A lot of times high school strength coaches aren't always up to date, and they're obsessed with wearing the body out with Olympic strength lifts. They squat, and power clean kids to exhaustion.
Same goes for nutrition. Really dig into proper diet/nutrition.
As the old saying goes, the best ability is availability. Big numbers look good on paper but if you have bad knees, and or other injures by 19, what good are you?
Assuming the kid has some real potential and skill on the field in addition to his god given attributes, and strength, I'd get with the coach and strength staff and plan things out. There are college and pro players that don't put those numbers up and sometimes they get capped and aren't allowed to go past a certain point for above mentioned injury/fatigue/exhaustion.
Since size, weight, strength boxes are checked I would probably dial it way back shift focus to cardio, agility, flexibility, endurance.
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Too short for o line. Move him to D line and punch his nut sack 100 times every night. Make him eat raw eggs and pick a fight in high school every month.
Think quickness, quickness, and quickness. If you’re not quick enough to make a block or make a tackle it won’t matter his length or weight. That’s why the SEC powers have both big and quick on the offensive and defensive line. Look for speed drills like waist to head drills. Isometric training is also good for quickness.
The point of his post was that the guy said 20% of HS players make college. He was trying to make it small but without looking it up. As the other stated under 3% which is close make D1. Less than 10% make any college. Yes there are a lot of opportunities at smaller schools but as a whole not many even make that
“Other than longer arms for tackles what how is height a benefit? The taller they are the less stable in most cases and harder to maintain leverage.”
A wide base, with longer legs, is beneficial for an OT to set a “wide base.” Makes edge rushers go “the long way around.”
A wide base, with longer legs, is beneficial for an OT to set a “wide base.” Makes edge rushers go “the long way around.”
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Dude is Thiccc.... get his conditioning good and make sure his mental toughness is there and he can definitely play somewhere, at least get a scholarship to fcs or d2. Granted will need football instinct and smarts. But those are damn good stats that being a sophomore he could easily improve on.
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