Open ? to BBN, Can (?), will UK catch "lightning-in-a-bottle" and have both C. Love and Lloyd Tubman cleared for play this season????
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no one really knows but my general impression is probably something like 75/25 yes on Love and 50/50 on Tubman.
This post was edited on 2/26 11:44 AM by Deeeefense
This post was edited on 2/26 11:44 AM by Deeeefense
Even in the best case scenario of him being cleared to rejoin the team & enroll in the University I cannot see Lloyd Tubman being able to play on the field in 2015. He hasn't been a part of the team, or practicing, or in the high performance training since the beginning of October 2014. Will not go through a second of Spring practices.
Tubman's issue will be academic progress and how soon he can be eligible if the board reinstates him.
Physically, shouldn't be a problem to be ready for the season.
Physically, shouldn't be a problem to be ready for the season.
We do not know if or how Tubman has been training, to think that he could not possibly play or able to play is like thinking a true freshman could never see the field their first year.
If he can come back by Summer he definitely has a chance to play if he comes in shape, something that he could definitely get in by the end of summer this year. He could provide much needed depth and at least spot duty on the DL.
Dave
Tubman went through almost a year of the program.
If academically cleared, he will be able to get on the field.
If academically cleared, he will be able to get on the field.
As noted Tubman's situation will be determined by the final legal finding AND eligibility/progress toward degree requirement. Assuming second year progress toward degree requirements apply he must have completed 24 hours of work of which 18 must have been in the 2014-15 fall and sopping semesters.
I have no idea what is the "hardship" for Love but these things seldom fly. JMO.
Peace
I have no idea what is the "hardship" for Love but these things seldom fly. JMO.
Peace
there are no final legal findings in regards to Tubman that I'm aware of he's waiting for. He was not charged/indicted.
This is correct. Legally, this is over. DA has said so.
School wise, it should be finalized soon - whether yes or no.
Haven't the foggiest of the details re Love, but these things do fly despite your derisive dismissal. See the BB player who transferred from UK to Ga St and the BB player who transferred from Iowa to UT a few years ago.
Not all these guys transferring are felons, that's what confused you.
I wish the OP put the ? mark in the subject line. I was thrown off thinking this thread had some enormous announcement.
I would think Love will be available. If I were Tubman, I may not feel comfortable coming back to UK after "the guilty before proven innocent" way he seems to have been treated.
I would think Love will be available. If I were Tubman, I may not feel comfortable coming back to UK after "the guilty before proven innocent" way he seems to have been treated.
Tubman will be back to UK......WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT LOUISVILLE HIS MOM WON'T ALLOW HIM TO TRANSFER THERE......TO DISGUSTING FOR HIM TO GO THERE.....JUST A GUESS.......THAT PROGRAM HAS GONE DOWN THE DRAIN......
Maybe some trolls can argue with you but I sure can't.Originally posted by blufvr4evr:
Tubman will be back to UK......WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT LOUISVILLE HIS MOM WON'T ALLOW HIM TO TRANSFER THERE......TO DISGUSTING FOR HIM TO GO THERE.....JUST A GUESS.......THAT PROGRAM HAS GONE DOWN THE DRAIN......
Looks like there was a typo in what WildCard wrote about second year eligibility, and I agree about Tubman no longer having any legal issues to overcome (except for getting cleared by the school to return to classes).
In order to be able to play in 2015, he will need to have completed 24 credit hours, 18 of which were earned before summer school. Hopefully, he's been taking online classes during the fall and the spring so as to preserve his eligibility for 2015.
In order to be able to play in 2015, he will need to have completed 24 credit hours, 18 of which were earned before summer school. Hopefully, he's been taking online classes during the fall and the spring so as to preserve his eligibility for 2015.
I do also. People have to be patient, there is no reason whatsoever for UK or Stoops to come to a decision on this right now, or tomorrow. Lloyd isnt enrolled at UK (maybe online correspondence). Can't enroll until after Spring semester (mid May). Can't go through Spring practices since he isnt a student.
There is a process that I have no doubt is ongoing, that Stoops & Barnhart are doing their best for Lloyd, but that there are probably internal and external politics that must be dealt with. we will hear something in a couple months.
The problem with these he said she said type of cases is that it is very hard to get a conviction so they do not go to trial. This however does not always mean that there was no guilt and a rape did not take place. The date rape type cases where there is little or no violence are particularly hard to prosecute. Going the other way by the same token it is difficult for the accused to absolutely prove he is innocent and he is likely to be thought by some to be guilty but skating because of a lack of evidence.
There is seldom a winner in these type cases. Heck both of these kid may believe their version of the story is correct and he believes he did nothing wrong and she believes she was raped.
IMO this girl was way too passive for a girl being raped but that is just my opinion.
There is seldom a winner in these type cases. Heck both of these kid may believe their version of the story is correct and he believes he did nothing wrong and she believes she was raped.
IMO this girl was way too passive for a girl being raped but that is just my opinion.
First of all, I think I wrote it correctly but perhaps confusingly.
It is "the case" because that is what the NCAA By-Laws state (at least what both PushUp and I think they state). The requirement for eligibility in your second year (i.e., 2015-2016 school year) is to have successfully completed 24 hours in the 2014-2015 school year (18 of which must be in the fall and spring "regular" semesters). I believe the clock for everything starts when you enroll under scholarship, i.e., even a red shirted player is subject to progress toward degree requirements.
I cannot remember the timeline but if he enrolled in fall 2014, fall 2015 is the beginning of his second year. I am not aware of any applicable waiver for his particular situation, but what lay person knows? The NCAA By-Laws are over 400 pages long!
Peace
Unfortunately for him, UK is not UL. But even if he is allowed to return to UK he will probably have a lot of problems regaining his former status, behind the rest of the team both on and off the field. Probably hard to concentrate on online classes when you don't know if you even have a future or not.
I wouldn't have bad feelings toward him if he did try to sue UK if they do kick him out, doubt if that is even possible or would gain anything for him or not, but I could understand it.
I'm not an attorney, so I'm probably way off base, but I think he could sue if the application of UK's policy is not consistently applied to all students. In other words, if they do not allow him to enroll based on an accusation of wrongdoing, but they admit other students with similar accusations or proven criminal histories, then they would discriminatory in how they apply their policies. I would think if he is ruled ineligible through UK's code of conduct to enroll in classes, there better not be any student on campus with any criminal accusations or convictions in their history. I don't think he would go that far, but I would actually hope he would if he feels like he is not being treated fairly.
Sounds like they're very optimistic about Love playing next year. As for Tubman, I hope he is allowed to return. I don't know much about eligibility issues but I've wondered if Tubman could re-enroll as a freshman in the 2015-16 class. I'm sure that's not the best case scenario for him because he would likely lose whatever credit hours he earned last summer. Still, it would give him five more years to complete four. He could redshirt again if he hasn't been able to stay in football shape. However, with UK's current depth chart, I would guess UK would play him if he's on the team next year.
This really has nothing to do with the scholarship. It is a question of being able to enroll at the University and take classes. The scholarship is another issue. Playing on the football team is another issue. Neither has anything to do withe being allowed to enroll and take classes. This committee will determine if he can enroll and take classes at UK under any circumstances. If they do not apply their enrollment criteria consistently to all students, I would think there might be grounds for a law suit.
