Auburn should be ashamed
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Would you expect anything less from Auburn? I don't hold any ill will towards the Tigers, but they have such a huge little brother syndrome that they will do anything and everything in order to be successful and hang in there with Alabama (not that Alabama is clean either, haha).
^^yep^^
And I don't have a problem with it.
Those kids are there to play football first, to earn big bucks for that institution, so quit acting like they're not. If they get a degree, too, great, its what the University should strive to do since they are student/athletes. This program tries to do just that.
The big problem I have with articles like this is when the author tries to compare this to what UNC did. There's a big difference between "easy" classes and "fake" classes. One is trying to help good players that are slower or less studious get through by putting them in a program that matches their academic level/desires and provides them with a better chance of success. The other takes good players and slides them through the system by cheating in the most fraudulent way possible. Frankly, it pisses me off to no end when I see comparisons like that.
All of us that went to college know damn well that there are "easy" majors at every P5 University, and guess where many of the basketball & football athletes are? This article, IMO, is much ado about nothing. Move on.
UK used to have (they still may) Recreation and Leisure as a major... A buddy of mine recommended me taking "Interpretations of Leisure". It was packed with jocks. Plus, those dudes barely showed up. The class was a joke and the students within were morons.
Complete joke.
Complete joke.
Look, like it or not, playing football in the SEC, or basketball for a program like UK or UofL, is a friggin' full-time job. In case you haven't noticed, over the last few decades it has become serious business, and these schools are competing for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's right, it has become the norm now that athletic budgets at the highest level are exceeding $100 million!! Do you have any idea whatsoever what kind of commitment it takes to play football in the SEC, or basketball here, where a national semi-final finish is viewed, in some degree, as a failure? Do you know how many hours per day these "student/athletes" have to put into their trade, just to make millions for their school?
Its common sense that the average athlete struggles to make it through a "time-intensive" major. Just because it's not a time-intensive major, doesn't mean it is fraudulent or fake (like UNC), it is just more "suited" for an elite athlete who has much higher time demands on a daily basis than the average student. It happens everywhere in these football & basketball factories, and it probably should. Face facts, and understand what these kids give, and understand what they're insane talents and dedication bring these universities and communities that these schools reside in.
Honestly, that board probably didn't understand what purpose that program was really serving. When they were briefed on that, they changed their mind. But lets face it, many don't think schools should be catering to these student-athletes in any way, despite what athletics bring to a school. I have no problem with these types of programs, but I don't think they ought to be paid stipends, either.
Every school has joke classes and even joke majors. That isn't the issue. In this case, the university sought to remove these classes and the athletic administration stepped in to keep it because of athletes. There is quite a difference between already having these classes that are more convenient for athletes and the athletic department stepping in to 'save' these classes so athletes can continue to make the grade. These majors might be easier, but they shouldn't be made for catering to athletes or designed for that. They should be designed to give those who chose that field the best opportunities to succeed in that field. If more athletes choose the major then so be it, but they should not be tailored to make sure athletes remain eligible.
I saw that earlier, every school has majors that are easier than other majors, that's easy enough to see when kid's names are flashed across the screen and half the starters have the same major. If UNC was hit hard with sanctions quite a few of them would probably be suspended, but it looks like the program with the least revenue producing ability is going to be held responsible for the entire thing.
But you are correct, AU has little brother syndrome and will do anything to keep up with Bama. It has never been confused with a top academic school. This article just goes to show you what is important there, so much so that they were within a semester of losing their accrediation because of classes designed to keep athletes eligible was one of the big reasons. A professor took the wrath and all was forgiven. But don't ever think for a second AU isn't all about winning first and have no regard for how it is done.They don't lead the nation in sanctions because they play by the rules everyone else does..
Petrino wouldn't have met the plane at midnight if AU hadn't set it up.
Spoken like a true cardinal. We should perhaps put these quotes on a bronze plaque and send it to the NCAA?
I, too, think we should relax academic standards for athletes. All around, that is a great idea.
IMO, universities should stop playing charades and offer athletes degrees in Football, bball, baseball, etc....Just like kids that get other degrees, like Sports Management, Recording Studio technology, etc....they may get a job when they graduate; they may not. If a kid wants to waste a free education on a meaningless degree, let him/her.
Of course UL fans don't have a problem with that or that earning a degree is a 'bonus' in your mind. 99% of these kids have no future in football so getting them a quality degree is morally imperative.
UK does not 'place' kids in these programs like UL, Auburn or UNC does. We've had several parents say that UK coaches make the education component a very important part of their pitch. Not an afterthought. Sorry most UK fans don't want our guys to leave the school without a quality education and a major they can use.
The only shameful thing so far is that auburn is getting lambasted for haVing EASY classes and UNC is skating for having FAKE classes
Do we really need the NCAA? The NCAA system it's made up at that time according who it is.
It's auburn, so I'm sure there's something underhanded about this.
But, I'm not surprised that athletes might gravitate toward this degree not just for easy A. Lot of them come from urban areas. Might have family members that work with the government and that seems like the most likely way their career is going to go. Might have seen some good that comes from a non profit program and want to do that. Lot of athletes have dreams of going back to where they're from and making a difference. Some may see this as a way of preparing to set up a sports program or charity. If I wanted to be a coach of some sort, might think this could provide some good knowledge about organizations and bureaucracy.
I don't know what other degrees like this auburn offers. But I could see why any athletic department would want to keep that one open for a group of people who do tend to be charitable with their time and game. Aren't there countless stories of players from our team meeting kids and the less fortunate. This might be one of the fringe benefits of sports for a university. Bringing in a different class of student and using the their talent and background you wouldn't have thought "fit the Academic vision" of the department.
But, I'm not surprised that athletes might gravitate toward this degree not just for easy A. Lot of them come from urban areas. Might have family members that work with the government and that seems like the most likely way their career is going to go. Might have seen some good that comes from a non profit program and want to do that. Lot of athletes have dreams of going back to where they're from and making a difference. Some may see this as a way of preparing to set up a sports program or charity. If I wanted to be a coach of some sort, might think this could provide some good knowledge about organizations and bureaucracy.
I don't know what other degrees like this auburn offers. But I could see why any athletic department would want to keep that one open for a group of people who do tend to be charitable with their time and game. Aren't there countless stories of players from our team meeting kids and the less fortunate. This might be one of the fringe benefits of sports for a university. Bringing in a different class of student and using the their talent and background you wouldn't have thought "fit the Academic vision" of the department.
Every college has easy classes/easy majors. Are athletes directed towards these if they are probably going pro in b-ball or football or baseball or whatever? Absolutely. Honestly, I looked for easy sections of some classes. It is not a bad thing, as you have some courses that consume your life and if you can find the "easier" professor/section to buffer your schedule/life/sanity some, more power to you. I think the students that utilize Koofers.com, Rate my Professor, etc, in an intelligent fashion to find a good schedule each semester are much smarter than the dumb students who just take professors/courses without researching them. You still have to put forth effort, and study regardless of the class, but give me a class with a mid-term, a final and one short paper over one with a quiz every other week, 4 tests, 2 book reviews, and a term paper/project. I digress. These types of classes are everywhere, and I have no issues with athletes, or non-athletes taking them.
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