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An In Depth Look at Why Indiana Basketball is a Joke (Long)

ConRay9

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I want to preface this with the fact that this is VERY long. The only reason I even want to post this, is because my least favorite program is Indiana, in all sports, and it's not even close. Basketball, football, baseball--couldn't care less, I wish they would cease to exist. I hate Bob Knight. Their fans are delusional, and they don't deserve a seat with the blue bloods. They're frauds. With that said, luckily for us, especially in the last 25 years, that wish has come true.

For decades Indiana could quietly claim a right to some throne as college basketball's most elite in the north. From the 40's through the 80's Indiana basketball positioned itself as a major contender. Bob Knight ran a program that wasn't devoid of success, despite the absolute asshole incidents that would permeate the program throughout the years. He experienced three championship seasons, and Indiana was often in the hunt throughout the early life of the NCAA. Although, what does it matter when your resident asshole is winning, right? Well, this can only go on for so long...

Let me truly start this post by harkening back to Spring -Summer of 1993. Ahh what a time that was. I was not even born yet, and Indiana basketball was still in it's heyday. Bob Knight was still compensating for his small but slightly still functioning lower piece by screaming at refs, players, fans, the floor, whatever he could get in contact with. Hocus Pocus was dominating movie theaters and Whitney Houston was still tearing it up (RIP). Indiana lost to Kansas (Lol) in the Elite Eight that year. The future was bright, their fans must have thought. A Final Four the year before in 1992, followed by an elite eight, a championship only years before with 5 total championships being the second highest total ever...What. A. Run. It could only get better right? WRONG.

In the next 5 out of 9 years, Indiana would lose in the first round of the tournament, with two more years falling in the second round. Bob Knight would get fired in disgrace following the 2000 First Round loss. The rest of the 90's would be a disgrace while UK dominated the later half of the decade.

Flash Forward to the Harrison Twin version of Tournament success in 2002. Indiana, despite all odds, makes it to the Championship game, only to fall to mighty Maryland. The fanbase, despite the last DECADE of disgrace, must have thought change was finally coming.

Unfortunately for them, a Mike Davis forehead slap incident would occur, followed by a Kelvin Sampson scandal that would lead to a Dan Dakich immediate season that would do no favors. This would all culminate in a Tom Crean signing that would provide only a handful of respectable seasons. Ironically during this time, as a major sign of deflection, a large portion of Indiana fans really started attacking UK fans over cheating. This lead to a massive increase in insecurity, which led to what is known as a court storming of sadness in 2011 when Indiana exorcised decades of demons by defeating Kentucky on a last second 3.

Somehow a popcorn box of a Christian Watford 3-pointer would define an entire decade plus of basketball. It's pathetic really, that Indiana couldn't even remain respectable in their own conference with only one real semblance of an important moment/season among a few sweet 16's.. In this trying time, among the many arguments against Indiana, current fans have remained in extreme optimistic hope. Highly ranked recruiting classes have been a formality for the blue bloods. Each recruiting class has given hope that their seat at the table was granted back. Unfortunately for Indiana Basketball fans, nothing has truly gone their way since 2002, and in a more meta sense, since 1998.

The Big Ten Basketball Tournament was established 20 years ago in 1998. Since that time, Indiana has only made the championship game once, losing to Iowa in 2001. Since that time, 7 different programs have won a big ten tournament championship, with Indiana still NEVER winning it.

Not including Maryland, Rutgers, and Nebraska as they have only competed in 4, 4, and 7 tournaments respectively, since the tournament was instituted, the ONLY team that has a worse Big Ten Tournament record than Indiana is Northwestern with a 9-21 record. Indiana's all-time record is an absolutely pathetic 12-21. This epitomizes how bad things have fallen. This is what seals Indiana losing blue blood status. No championship since 1987, and barely better than Northwestern.

For perspective, just since 1998, UK's record in the SEC Tournament is 43-10, with 11 SEC Tournament Championships, and 3 losses in the championship game. The Big Ten Tournament has only occurred for 21 years, and Indiana almost has as many losses (21) as Kentucky has in the ENTIRE history of the SEC Tournament (25). Kentucky has as many SEC tournament wins in the last 4 years (12) as Indiana has the last 21 (12). Their little brother syndrome makes a lot of sense when you actually look at the stats.

At the end of the day, with Indiana finally starting to get elite recruits and some semblance of hope, It's still important to be able to point out to them their extreme flaws. Indiana fans in the last few years have attempted to point to a few select players that were supposed to bring them back. Thomas Bryant, Cody Zeller, James Blackmon jr., now Romeo Langford...a 5th-6th seed, at best, awaits their year. A year in which they believe they’re “back”...unfortunately, for them, it’s still not 1987. It never will be again.
 
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Knight's demise was done when he tried to choke a player. He was put on a disciplinary watch, and violated those terms and was fired.

In a strange chain of events IU fans/students actually PROTESTED Knights' firing. [eyeroll]

When the rumor came out about BCG treating his players like ass, then I wanted to jump in my car, drive 65 miles down the road myself, and run him out behind Cutler. IU fans were MAD because Knight was let go. I jumped as high as I could (over a piece of paper) in joy when BCG was fired!!!

I think it's just a very different strain of fandom between UK and IU fans.
 
Cliff notes version for the busy reader: Since March, 1993, now over a quarter century, Indiana has been past the Sweet 16 exactly one time. Lol. Lmfao. Hahaha.

It was a good post, though. Surprised someone as young as the OP could hate IUsetobee the way those of us in our 50s and 60s do. You could never understand how vile, obnoxious, toxic, corrosive, cretinous and pestilent Indiana fans are when they feel they are on top.

And here’s the secret to their wretchedness: Even between 1976-1993, their great era, they were always measuring themselves against Kentucky, and the whole mission of the fan base was to be able to say “we’re better than you.” They were like a grimy little brother who gets laid for the first time and has to immediately dash home and tell you the girl is prettier than your girlfriend. But guess what? They were never better than Kentucky. And now they are buried so deep in mediocrity that even their claim to elite status is long gone.
 
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I am not an IU fan for sure and also thought B Knight was a complete ass. However, there are a couple of ifs in IU BBall as there are in UK BBall. For example, if Henderson hadn't hurt his leg IU might have won the NCAA that year (93) and also if IU hadn't run into a UK buzzsaw in 2012, they might have one that one also. I live in Indiana and worked with many diehard IU fans, I always felt they were so enamored with Knight, it didn't matter how ridiculous he acted it was OK as long as he was winning.
 
Knight's demise was done when he tried to choke a player. He was put on a disciplinary watch, and violated those terms and was fired.

In a strange chain of events IU fans/students actually PROTESTED Knights' firing. [eyeroll]

When the rumor came out about BCG treating his players like ass, then I wanted to jump in my car, drive 65 miles down the road myself, and run him out behind Cutler. IU fans were MAD because Knight was let go. I jumped as high as I could (over a piece of paper) in joy when BCG was fired!!!

I think it's just a very different strain of fandom between UK and IU fans.

You just did that because it was Jorts,.
 
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For example, if Henderson hadn't hurt his leg IU might have won the NCAA that year (93) and also if IU hadn't run into a UK buzzsaw in 2012, they might have one that one also. I live in Indiana and worked with many diehard IU fans, I always felt they were so enamored with Knight, it didn't matter how ridiculous he acted it was OK as long as he was winning.
They weren't going to win the 2012 tournament as long as we were in it, whether it was us putting them out, or someone before they got to us. As for 1993... if they'd won it, so what? There's not much difference between 32 years and 26 years.
 
They weren't going to win the 2012 tournament as long as we were in it, whether it was us putting them out, or someone before they got to us. As for 1993... if they'd won it, so what? There's not much difference between 32 years and 26 years.
This is true but both teams played their best games and UK prevailed. If not had UK played their best game, IU was in line to win it all.
 
This is true but both teams played their best games and UK prevailed. If not had UK played their best game, IU was in line to win it all.

I don't know if we would've won it but we certainly would've made the FF. One of the few times Tom Crean coached a great game and as great as you were that season it normally would've been enough to beat you. Your guys just so happened to shoot 35-37 from the line that night while your season average was about 70% I believe. The real travesty was the next season when we should've won it all but Tom Crean showed his true colors by not knowing how to attack the Cuse zone. Still smh on that one.
 
Life has a way of setting you up for the unexpected, nobody on either side would have forecasted the two programs trajectories after the scandal UK had in the late eighties. Strangely enough that was the marker that would sew the seeds for UK to have a golden era again. Followed closely by the beginning of the end for success at Indiana, there is just no way anybody saw those things coming and in fact I bet most thought the roles would be swapped.

Strangely we are in another situation where nobody would have suspected, anticipated or believed the outcome. We heard how UK would be on probation, have seasons vacated and banners taken down when Cal was hired. Lo and behold college basketball is on touching fire with cheating. From Louisville being the first program to have a title stripped, to Kansas using a third party to buy players, UNC got away with cheating but their reputation is pure shit, while UK is free of accusations after years of reporters relentlessly digging. Now who saw that coming? :smiley:
 
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Nobody is gonna read that insane long post.....either make a video and talk about it or R.I.P. Surely to God you know very few people are going to actually read all of that right? Just record your voice and explain it instead of typing a friggn story and you'll get a far greater response....and post it on youtube instead of just here......your response will be far greater.
 
I liked the long post, OP.

I don't hate IU as much as several other programs, but man, my parents hated them more than anyone in college basketball. They were better than us from 72-92 (3 titles to 1), but we've got them 3-0 from 93-18.

My former boss was an IU fan. Great person and cool boss, but the couple years they were as good or better than UK (post-December 2012, 2013, 2016) she turned into a cocky loudmouth during basketball season. When they sucked, she didn't even know they were playing by February. (She bought one of the shirts they made for beating us in the 2nd Round in 2016 and has "The Wat Shot" framed in her house. Yes, a framed picture of someone making a 3-pointer in December. LOL!!)

Also, their all-time win totals and all time win percentage are trash compared to ours. They've have 1,825 wins and a 66 percent winning percentage in 118 years of basketball. Kentucky has 2,263 wins and a 76 percent winning percentage in 115 years of basketball.
 
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However, there are a couple of ifs in IU BBall as there are in UK
I got a couple of ifs for ya. If my Aunt had nurtz, she’d be my uncle and if my dog Spot hadn’t stopped to deficate, he would have caught that damn rabbit.
 
You just did that because it was Jorts,.
Maybe. [laughing]

(Obligatory Josh Harrellson gif when his named is mentioned here:

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Nobody is gonna read that insane long post.....either make a video and talk about it or R.I.P. Surely to God you know very few people are going to actually read all of that right? Just record your voice and explain it instead of typing a friggn story and you'll get a far greater response....and post it on youtube instead of just here......your response will be far greater.

I prefaced it by saying it was very long. The amount of time you spent typing this message with your little ellipses you’d have been halfway done. There are sports articles I regularly read that are far longer. It’s only about a 3-4 minute read.
 
I don't know if we would've won it but we certainly would've made the FF. One of the few times Tom Crean coached a great game and as great as you were that season it normally would've been enough to beat you. Your guys just so happened to shoot 35-37 from the line that night while your season average was about 70% I believe. The real travesty was the next season when we should've won it all but Tom Crean showed his true colors by not knowing how to attack the Cuse zone. Still smh on that one.
We (UK) have more than a few bad memories as well. The 75 loss to UCLA, the loss to UConn and the loss to Arizona. It looks like things are about to turn around for you guys, give it time.
 
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