After looking at schedule, great chance UK will be 20-4 heading to USCjr
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Yeah, like a 1% shot at a 1 seed. We sure blew a chance to get placed in the Louisville region this year. No way they put a non-1 seed UK in Louisville IMO.
So, the guy who started a thread earlier this week saying this is "Easily the Worst Team of the Cal Era at UK", now starts one saying there is no reason we won't be 20-4 and in contention for a 1 seed.
And you wonder why I told you your other thread was silly? This stuff is why nobody can take you seriously.
Post better, my friend. Post better.
And you wonder why I told you your other thread was silly? This stuff is why nobody can take you seriously.
Post better, my friend. Post better.
I admire your spirit but it's just realism. Kansas is pretty good this year. If we improve miraculously over 3 weeks we might be able to keep it close but the odds are they're going to beat us like a mouthy hooker at Minardi Hall.
Dep I get what your saying. However, we didnt just lose at LSU we got drilled and looked disinterested.
Fast forward a mere 4 days and UK not only wins at Bama but thumps them by 16 and one could argue the game was one of UKs 2 or 3 best performances of the season.
So...we go from our worst performance of the season at LSU to one of our 2 or 3 best 4 days later at Bama, who has wins over Whichita St and Notre Dame.
Yet Im the bi polor one.....hmmmmmmm.
KU never loses at home much, even last year they won them all and they were not that good. OU hit 16/32 from three and had a FT advantage THE WHOLE GAME and still lost last Monday. It will take a monumental effort from this team to win there.
Well, it appears you're about as bipolar as the team itself.
It just seems like you assume we're going to play all year like we did in the last game. What we have to remember is that we're not always going to play as bad as our worst game. And we're not always going to play as well as our best game. Normally we'll be somewhere in between.
HOWEVER, I will say this. If the team has hit a point where they're realizing what it means to bring 100% every night, & they're improving exponentially, then you could be right. I still believe the ceiling for this team is higher than even what we've seen in our best games.
I hate to say it but I agree. No way they put UK in Louisville if they aren't a 1 seed. And that OSU loss very well may cost us that seed. What pisses me off is they would have no problem putting Duke or UNC as a two seed in Greensboro or Charlotte.
I'll agree that we could be 20-4, but I won't concede the game at Kansas. We are UK and can bring it to any team, any night. Kansas will have to play very well to beat us. Uk will keep getting better, the younger the team the more room to improve. I trust Cal to get them coached up.
They're not. There's a reason they're still not ranked. They are not good, we shouldn't have lost to them, we dam sure shouldn't have lost to Ohio State and if we brought just a little effort we would have beaten LSU. None of those 3 teams are any good at all. UCLA will be the only one to make the NCAAT and they probably won't make it out of the first weekend.
I'm not counting UK out either. It's 3 weeks away and the cats now know that they can't walk into an opponent's gym and just go through the motions.
We need a couple of things to improve before we can feel confident with that game but there is enough time to shore those things up.
It would sure be nice to get Skal on track before that game.
I'm not seeing the Kansas game as a blowout that everyone else is seeing. I think this will be a close game. Briscoe, Murray, and Ulis are players who seem to step up against good competition, plus I think this team will play loose with the pressure on Kansas to win. I also think Kentucky matches up well with Kansas, as they don't have overwhelming athleticism in the front court, and I think Poythress can check Ellis. I think North Carolina is actually a much worse matchup for Kentucky. If Kentucky's backcourt can continue to improve, I think they could also match up well with Kansas.
Truth is with the current Skal and his 2-3 points per game, we have ZERO chance of winning at KU. Even with a decent Skal, our chances would be minimal at best.
Of course we can still be in Louisville and not be a 1 seed.
If we are the top 2 seed we'll be going to Louisville
If we are the top 3 seed we'll be going to Louisville
If we are the top 4 seed most likely we'll be playing our opening round games out west but guess where we'll be in the regional? That's right Louisville.
If we are the bottom 2 seed, we won't be playing in Louisville
If we are the bottom 3 seed, we won't be playing in Louisville
It all depends WHERE you are on the seed list and WHO else is on that line.
If we are the top 2 seed we'll be going to Louisville
If we are the top 3 seed we'll be going to Louisville
If we are the top 4 seed most likely we'll be playing our opening round games out west but guess where we'll be in the regional? That's right Louisville.
If we are the bottom 2 seed, we won't be playing in Louisville
If we are the bottom 3 seed, we won't be playing in Louisville
It all depends WHERE you are on the seed list and WHO else is on that line.
In fact at this point if UK was to get a 1 seed I'd say it's extremely unlikely they would end up in Louisville. I think there's a much better chance they end up there being on another seed line.
I don't think UK could jump teams like KU and Michigan St. So if they were to get a 1 seed, they would most likely be the weakest 1 seed and shipped out west.
I don't think UK could jump teams like KU and Michigan St. So if they were to get a 1 seed, they would most likely be the weakest 1 seed and shipped out west.
If UK can get past Arkansas on the road then they can get to 20-4. Auburn and Vandy won't be pushovers.
The point is the committee won't allow UK to be the top 2, 3 or 4 and you and I know this.
I don't agree with that. I don't believe in conspiracy theories that the NCAA is out to get UK lol.
The seed list is finalized before they do the bracketing. I highly doubt they get to the bracketing part and think "oh wait UK is going to Louisville, lets go back and move them up or down the seed list: lol
kansas will beat the crap out of us if we are not playing near perfect they remember the spsnking we gave em last year
If you don't think people in that room are not smart enough to say out loud "I have a big issue with sending UNC to the Louisville region with UK as their 2 seed. We are basically giving UK the home court advantage and they might as well be our 1 seed despite not having a resume for one," then just agree to disagree. Now to your point, they may allow it to happen, but I can easily see them justifying it not happening by claiming we are not the top 2 seed but rather the 3rd 2 seed or 2nd 2 seed or whatever and same rule applies to the 3-4 line.
I know Memphis has to play Texas in Texas one year when Memphis was a 1 seed, and Memphis had to play UCLA in CA one year when Memphis was the 1 (cal was coach for both years), so it has happened. I just don't think it will in UK's favor. We can both agree we cannot prove nor disprove the committee's real logic if it does not happen though.
If Kansas is such a shoe-in to win that game, being ranked only ~10-15 spots different no less, than the same should be said for all other games up until USCJR.
We are much better than the Auburns and Arkansas' than Kansas is better than Kentucky.
I mean, have a LITTLE faith. It's still Frank Mason and Perry Ellis. They aren't world beaters. Kansas is going to be a bit nervous as well.
We are much better than the Auburns and Arkansas' than Kansas is better than Kentucky.
I mean, have a LITTLE faith. It's still Frank Mason and Perry Ellis. They aren't world beaters. Kansas is going to be a bit nervous as well.
Your right. It can never be proven either way. All I know is that since 2010 the NCAA has published the seed list when the bracket comes out. In the NCAA's very only polices and procedures it states that they only look at home field advantages with the first two rounds. And we've seen in the past where 2 seeds have had home field advantage against 1 seeds as you've pointed out.
The way I look at it is when the committee meets it's done in stages. First they determine the 68 teams, then they seed, and lastly they bracket. So when they are actually seeding the list, they don't know yet about say UNC playing UK. They only know that information when they start to actually bracket the teams.
Now obviously this doesn't mean that they can't get to bracketing, realize this and then try to change the overall seed listing. After all, the rules allow them to move teams down or up a seed if they have to in order to protect the rules. You run into things like BYU not being able to play on Sundays which reduces the number of regions they can be in by 50%. Or you have times where a bunch of teams from a conference occupies one line and you have to move them down or up. So it does happen. I just find it unlikely they would move teams based on home field advantage. For UNC and UK to meet in that senario, they would each still have to make the Elite 8. I just don't see them caring about something that "could" happen that late in the tournament. Not when they have other rules and procedures they have to follow.
Unless Skal finds his game, I think we're tracking toward about 6 losses heading into the dance. Just being realistic.
Well this is somewhat interesting.........looks like things may have changed
This is dated July 20th, 2015 from the NCAA website
Another change the committee made will provide flexibility for seeding the four teams on the No. 2 line. While teams from the same conference will remain in separate regions, the committee may consider moving the team seeded fifth on the overall seed list out of its natural geographic area to avoid the best of the No. 2 seeds being placed in the same region as the top overall team.
“This change doesn’t mean we are going to a true S-Curve. But if we can achieve it, or come closer to having more competitive balance on the top two lines without compromising our existing principles and without putting a team at a great disadvantage, we will consider it,” Castiglione said.
It doesn't mention exactly what we are talking about with home field advantage but it is interesting they are going to try and balance the first two lines if they can even if that means moving a 2 out of their geographical region.
This is dated July 20th, 2015 from the NCAA website
Another change the committee made will provide flexibility for seeding the four teams on the No. 2 line. While teams from the same conference will remain in separate regions, the committee may consider moving the team seeded fifth on the overall seed list out of its natural geographic area to avoid the best of the No. 2 seeds being placed in the same region as the top overall team.
“This change doesn’t mean we are going to a true S-Curve. But if we can achieve it, or come closer to having more competitive balance on the top two lines without compromising our existing principles and without putting a team at a great disadvantage, we will consider it,” Castiglione said.
It doesn't mention exactly what we are talking about with home field advantage but it is interesting they are going to try and balance the first two lines if they can even if that means moving a 2 out of their geographical region.
Too bad this rule didn't happen in 2010. Kentucky being the #1 overall seed definitely got the best #2 in WVU.
Still, good to see. Kentucky will a lot of times be in the top8, so it's nice to see them try and get the match-ups right.
