15-16 > 14-15

[WildMoon]

Am i little crazy? yes.

I'm also not saying this team will go 38 straight wins, to be honest i'm surprised that team even went 38 straight wins.

I also believe that 14-15 has much better head start. Therefore, if you were to compare beginning of the season for both teams, 14-15 would slaughter 15-16 team.

However, this 15-16 team is rather interesting, and i'm not even sure how Coach Cal pulled it off. I started comparing the two teams and it's a lot closer than i was expecting.

Which would you pick? (Number reflect their year)
PG position:
Andrew(2) + Ulis (1) versus Ulis (2) + Briscoe (1)

I think last year many argued Andrew or Ulis, but if you had sophomore Ulis i'm sure most on here would pick Ulis. Coach Cal calls Ulis the best floor general. That's quite the statement, over Wall and Knight. He's also superior shooter than Andrew, Wall, or Knight in terms of efficiency. (but wall and knight is the better guard overall, but Ulis does many thing better than Wall/Knight, something Andrew won't be able to say)

SG position:
Aaron(2) + Booker (1) versus Murray(1) + Hawkins(3) + Mulder (?)
I think 14-15 season would win in most depth competition, but Murray would be the best player out of all these guys. He's the craftiest guard we have ever had, and that includes Lamb. I'm sure he won't shoot at Lamb's 3pt%, but i do believe his scoring threat is far better than Aaron/Booker. Booker was way too inconsistent, and Murray will likely be top 10 pick in NBA draft.

SF position:
Poythress (3) + Lyles (1) versus Mathews (1) + Poythress (4)
Lyles i think is the best player on this rotation, but Poythress was injured. Mathews is probably better defender but Lyles is probably a better offensive player. Depending on how mathews grow, there might be more discussion to be had since Lyles played out of position in my opinion.

PF position:
WCS (3) + Lee (2) versus Skal (1) + Lee (3)
This is based around someone's unique line-up proposition which i now think is good idea. Playing Skal at the 4 than a 5. He's far more offensively gifted than either WCS/Lee. He's also quick enough to guard other players on the court. I would pick 15-16 season over 14-15 season. Lee is visibly better this year than last year also helps the case for this year.

Center position:
KAT (1) + Johnson (2) versus Humphries (1) + Lumberjack (1)
KAT going away favorite here.

KAT would make it much more favorable for one position for 14-15, but other than that 15-16 season does better in 3 position. SF is still a question, depending on how Mathews play. Lyles was out of position so i don't think we truly maximized there for 14-15 season.

 

[Rhavicc]

Not totally far-fetched. Really, the difference between our 3 best teams in the Cal era is not much. There are 111 wins and 6 losses between the 3 of them (3 losses in 2009-10, 2 in 2011-12, and 1 in 2014-15).
This team could potentially be better for different reasons, but that reason will not be defense alone. Could it be a better team because of an elite combination of offense and defense, as well as versatility? Could be, sure.
Only time will tell though.

 

[Jkwo]

There are 1-2 teams every single year that you could match up favorably with '15 just going position by position. We didn't have a bunch of megastars - we just went as deep as any team in history with guys who were way above average college players, and we constantly rotated in and out a bunch of trees at 3-5 positions who tired out, bruised up, and fouled out opposing frontcourts and forced the guards to get their offense outside.

Last year was the best defensive team in CBB history going by the numbers - that's how they got 38 straight wins against a top 40 schedule. It wasn't flukey - they put the clamps on teams any time it was in single digits for the last 5 minutes - that team would just stop scoring. It was amazing to watch.

It took a hell of a game from the reigning POY and his fellow AA candidate to finally get past that wall - we had the lead at 3 minutes left, but then they made the two shots they needed to force us to start fouling for time. Of course, if we'd have Poythress, our co best defender along with Willie, I think it would've been a different ball game for Dekker.

Regardless, unlike offense, your defense should be there for you every game, rain or shine - that's usually Cal's trademark, and no team did it better than last year.

This year should be better on offense, IMO, but sometimes the shots just don't fall, so I hope their D gets to 2/3 of what last year's was, so we can weather the storms.

 

[Bigkyfan10]

This is literally the stupidest thing that I have ever read. This past years team was in fact the best college basketball team since the 96 Cats which honestly could even be better than them. They also were the first team from a big six conference to be undefeated going into the final four game since 1976. This team was probably the most talented team(depth) in the history of the sport. I'm 27 years old, hopefully I'll live another 50 years. I gaurentee you that I will never see a more talented college team in my life. IMO they are easily a top 5 team of all time and they are hands down the best defensive team of all time. They held opponents to the second lowest field goal percentage of all time for a season. They held a sweet sixteen team to 7 points at the half. They held how many teams to under 40 50 points in a game and under 20 points in a half? Ken's Poms formula shoes that last years team IS the best college basketball team since the development of the Ken pom formula. There's also an article that was written and showed that last years teams defensive stats were easily top 3 of all time, maybe the best. So please just stop and never say another team will be more talented than last year's team. Doesn't mean we can't win the championship this year, but please have some sense. On and this is without talking about there height. When has there ever been a college basketball team that started 6'6 6'6 6'10 7'0 7'0? Never!

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

Therefore, if you were to compare beginning of the season for both teams, 14-15 would slaughter 15-16 team.

Slaughter may be a little dramatic. Buffalo and Columbia hung close early last season with Kentucky, so at the very least, this season's UK team could at least keep from getting clobbered in an early season meeting against last year's UK team. As far as saying your team this year could be better than your team last year, at this point I see it coming down to how Poythress bounces back from the torn ACL as well as Marcus Lee's development. I do believe your backcourt will be better and Skal may well be the best long-term frontcourt prospect UK has had since Davis (although Towns would be very close behind), but the overall depth likely won't be close unless Humphries and Wynyard are bigger contributors for you guys this year than I expect. And I'll admit to not knowing how good you guys/UK fans in general expect those two to be this year. Can't imagine you're expecting them to be Trey Lyles (who played out of position a ton) and maybe not even Dakari Johnson.

Also interested in how much Mulder provides to UK (JUCOs can be hit or miss) and also how often Calipari goes with a Ulis/Murray/Briscoe combination on the floor at the same time. Given that Duke at the end of last season rolled with a lineup of Tyus Jones/Quinn Cook/Matt Jones, a Ulis/Murray/Briscoe trio should also be able to work out very nicely assuming Murray and Briscoe are okay with not always running the show. Cook often deferred to Tyus and it worked wonderfully for Duke. If Murray and Briscoe are willing to do for UK as Cook was for Duke, that'll be fun for you guys and unfair to the rest of the country!

 

[stoneycat_20]

This team will be as good as last years..wont win 38 games, but the 15 team should have lost 3 times...Ole Miss gave us a game..A&M should have won and we could have lost 1-2 more....

 

[wcc31]

Nope.

 

[brianpoe]

Defense and rebounding are two huge question marks right now.

No predictions from me until I see these two areas against a quality team.

 

[bigc45157]

People are setting themselves up for disappointment by comparing this team to others; especially one that won 38 in a row.

This current team could be REALLY, REALLY good, but they're going to lose some games. It is quite possible that they lose as many as 6-8, but still be really good in the end.

I love the potential of our guard play, but we need our front court to defend, rebound, and score at a high clip.

Let's just let this thing happen instead of overanalyzing the team before we've even seen anything.

 

[wromanp7]

Our guard play will be better, I suspect.
Our bigs are not even close, imo.

Skal may end up being the best of the bunch... but WCS, Towns, DJ, and Lee were a talented and deep group to a ridiculous degree.

 

[WildMoon]

I know it's way too early.

No one is saying this team will be 38-0. Like I said above 15-16 guys are starting at much lower level.

Also 14-15 team stunk at defensive rebounding. One of the reason why we struggled against ND and lost to Wisconsin. We also struggled against other team because of it.

I just like the potential of this team far better because of spacing and skill sets. My key concern is how we will defend with smaller size.

 

[BostonCat2001]

not sure what to expect early in the season. but by the end of the year i expect us to be a really elite team.

 

[UKCatsFan10]

From my perspective looking at your list, I think we were better at every position last year than this year... We'll see what the new guys bring this season, but based on what little I've seen I would take last year's team at every position.

 

[.S&C.]

There are 1-2 teams every single year that you could match up favorably with '15 just going position by position. We didn't have a bunch of megastars - we just went as deep as any team in history with guys who were way above average college players, and we constantly rotated in and out a bunch of trees at 3-5 positions who tired out, bruised up, and fouled out opposing frontcourts and forced the guards to get their offense outside.

Last year was the best defensive team in CBB history going by the numbers - that's how they got 38 straight wins against a top 40 schedule. It wasn't flukey - they put the clamps on teams any time it was in single digits for the last 5 minutes - that team would just stop scoring. It was amazing to watch.

It took a hell of a game from the reigning POY and his fellow AA candidate to finally get past that wall - we had the lead at 3 minutes left, but then they made the two shots they needed to force us to start fouling for time. Of course, if we'd have Poythress, our co best defender along with Willie, I think it would've been a different ball game for Dekker.

Regardless, unlike offense, your defense should be there for you every game, rain or shine - that's usually Cal's trademark, and no team did it better than last year.

This year should be better on offense, IMO, but sometimes the shots just don't fall, so I hope their D gets to 2/3 of what last year's was, so we can weather the storms.

I do think people don't want to see it, but our sec schedule last year was really really down. We would not have put those numbers up in a top 3 conference. I'm not taking anything away necessarily, but that team had issues our easy conference schedule wasn't exploiting. Once we got deep, as in 8 deep, it was exposed from the on and we barely made the final four. If that team was as dominant as people think and the paper showed, there's no way they should have struggled just getting TO a final four, not to mention losing as soon as they get there.

IMO, that team is a prime example of where statistical data and sports do not always Jive. If you're someone who pays too much attention to numbers, you will be confused around 1/3 of the time. In high school where I coach the "math" usually doesn't add up to much at all.

Just my observation I'm sure someone will stab me in the kidney.

 

[Aike]

It's going to be a different kind of team this year, and may ultimately be more successful.

The defense of WCS last season was a rare gift. If Poythress ends up completely healthy, he can negate some of that loss. He isn't WCS, but when healthy he is an athletic freak who can switch 5 positions on D.

I think we can score with anybody this year. Who will be on the floor late when we have to get stops?

 

[wcc31]

I do think people don't want to see it, but our sec schedule last year was really really down. We would not have put those numbers up in a top 3 conference. I'm not taking anything away necessarily, but that team had issues our easy conference schedule wasn't exploiting. Once we got deep, as in 8 deep, it was exposed from the on and we barely made the final four. If that team was as dominant as people think and the paper showed, there's no way they should have struggled just getting TO a final four, not to mention losing as soon as they get there.

IMO, that team is a prime example of where statistical data and sports do not always Jive. If you're someone who pays too much attention to numbers, you will be confused around 1/3 of the time. In high school where I coach the "math" usually doesn't add up to much at all.

Just my observation I'm sure someone will stab me in the kidney.

'92 Duke- who many consider the best team of the last 30 years- ALSO barely made the Final 4.

Notre Dame was really, really good- #5 in the post-tourney poll.

UK got not favors in their bracket having to face two teams who matched up well against us in Wisconsin and Notre Dame. The one guy we had who could guard teams like that blew out his knee.

 

[.S&C.]

'92 Duke- who many consider the best team of the last 30 years- ALSO barely made the Final 4.

Notre Dame was really, really good- #5 in the post-tourney poll.

UK got not favors in their bracket having to face two teams who matched up well against us in Wisconsin and Notre Dame. The one guy we had who could guard teams like that blew out his knee.

Yea that's true. I can't say would would have happened had we been healthy.

But I don't think that team was nearly as "dominant" around the ball as some think. they had issues, especially on the offensive end, from the end of OOC play.

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

We gonna do it!

 

[wcc31]

Yea that's true. I can't say would would have happened had we been healthy.

But I don't think that team was nearly as "dominant" around the ball as some think. they had issues, especially on the offensive end, from the end of OOC play.

They were pretty dominant. I thought then and it was proven that people underestimated how good Wisconsin and Duke were. There were 3 (maybe 4 with Arizona) really good teams last year. By the time March came around, they were catching up with us. I still think we're the best and if we faced Duke, we win, but with Booker cooling off, we weren't that much better than those two teams.

 

[.S&C.]

They were pretty dominant. I thought then and it was proven that people underestimated how good Wisconsin and Duke were. There were 3 (maybe 4 with Arizona) really good teams last year. By the time March came around, they were catching up with us. I still think we're the best and if we faced Duke, we win, but with Booker cooling off, we weren't that much better than those two teams.

Yea Duke was the real deal and I still wonder if we could have beat them, but damn Duke was looking like the cream of the crop that last week.

I don't mean to take anything awY from 2015 UK. They were a great defensive team. I just can't go as far as some, like saying they'd beat 1996 UK or 2012 UK. I gotta give those UK teams the respect they earned, and I think they're better anyway.

 

[kybassfan]

This year as a long way to go to match last year. VERY VERY tall order. Not saying it won't happen but if it does, this year may be one of the most improved teams in KY history.

In regards to defensive rebounding, this years team may very well be better in that statistical category for a few reasons. They won't have a freakish cat quick 7' footer chasing midrange/perimeter players. Also, this team may not be the shot blockers that last years team was. As such, getting position will be much easier.

 

[caneintally]

I am with the OP 100% as this could be Cal's best offensive team and it could be that by a mile IMO . Just soooo much ability to score the ball from our stars like Skal and Murray all the down to our role players like Mulder and Humphries. D will be a bit behind but if we are scoring in 80's every night it won't matter til league play IMO . I think we lose 1 time in nonconference and once in league ( maybe twice ) but by March we are much better then last year. Also think rebounding will be a strength not a weakness like last year.

 

[wcc31]

Yea Duke was the real deal and I still wonder if we could have beat them, but damn Duke was looking like the cream of the crop that last week.

I don't mean to take anything awY from 2015 UK. They were a great defensive team. I just can't go as far as some, like saying they'd beat 1996 UK or 2012 UK. I gotta give those UK teams the respect they earned, and I think they're better anyway.

I think '96 and '12 were better. With that said, '12 didn't face a team in the tourney as good as Wisconsin.

In '15, I think Duke matched up well against Wisconsin, Wisconsin with us and UK with Duke. I think if we face Duke, we win. Wisconsin was a turbo-version of the Georgia squad that gave us issues.

 

[WildMoon]

Surprised by the civilized discussion.

MdWildcat you said this year's team is similar in talent like 2011.

I'm going to disagree on that. if you generalized it to lottery, sure the argument can be made. However, 2015 (most likely) has higher level lottery picks. Murray could be selected similar to knight and Skal can go top 2.

We also have the possibility that Humphries could go first round in two years (since he's too young). Briscoe, Ulis, and Lee can all be drafted between first and second round.

That's far more talent than Miller (junior not senior), Jorts, Liggins, and lamb who was drafted second round. And all 4 mentioned are no longer on the NBA roster. (I haven't fully kept up to date so maybe one is on the roster. )

 

[qwesley]

Low post offense and rim protection are the big advantages for last year. This year will have better penetration and better 3pt shooting. Adv 14-15.

 

[.S&C.]

I think '96 and '12 were better. With that said, '12 didn't face a team in the tourney as good as Wisconsin.

In '15, I think Duke matched up well against Wisconsin, Wisconsin with us and UK with Duke. I think if we face Duke, we win. Wisconsin was a turbo-version of the Georgia squad that gave us issues.

What's your thoughts on 2012 Indiana vs. 2015 Wisconsin? I think that 2012 Indiana team might have went the distance had they not been paired so poorly.

Of course, I know one is a S16 and the other is a runner up, but I think it would be interesting.

 

[BostonCat2001]

i think its more interesting to compare this current team to the title winning team.

PG: soph ulis > teague. teague was up and down for so much during the year. came on strong in the NCAAT.
SG: murray > lamb. murray is a player of the year type of candidate
SF: mkg > ??? huge gap because we dont for sure who it will be.
PF: jones > poythress. jones is a beast, not cose really
C: skal > davis. at the same stage, skal is better than davis offensively. skal already has a jump hook and a jumper. early on davis was mostly a rim runner, lob machine. skal does that too

bench: i think i'll take hawkins/mulder/brisco/lee/humphries over miller/wiltjer/vargas

you could make the case that the 2015 team is better right now at 2 or 3 positions than the 2012 team to start the year

 

[brianpoe]

I am with the OP 100% as this could be Cal's best offensive team and it could be that by a mile IMO . Just soooo much ability to score the ball from our stars like Skal and Murray all the down to our role players like Mulder and Humphries. D will be a bit behind but if we are scoring in 80's every night it won't matter til league play IMO . I think we lose 1 time in nonconference and once in league ( maybe twice ) but by March we are much better then last year. Also think rebounding will be a strength not a weakness like last year.

We were 2nd in the nation in total rebounds last year.

What makes you think we will be a great rebounding team?

Poy did well his freshman year.

Marcus has never averaged more than 2 a game.

Skal is no Diallo on the glass.

Humphries did well the one time I watched him vs Stone, but athleticism may eat him up this year.

And we will most likely have a guy under 6-6 playing the wing.


I do like our ability to put the ball in the basket, but have no real evidence of our defensive and rebounding potential.

 

[kybassfan]

C: skal > davis. at the same stage, skal is better than davis offensively. skal already has a jump hook and a jumper. early on davis was mostly a rim runner, lob machine. skal does that too

Oh, man, get out your asbestos knickers. The Davis for GOAT sect may eat you alive.

I guess you got a point though. Davis career stats are relative thin (cause he hasn't had one yet). Skal has no stats at all. Using their logic, I guess that makes Skal the clear winner.

 

[brianpoe]

i think its more interesting to compare this current team to the title winning team.

PG: soph ulis > teague. teague was up and down for so much during the year. came on strong in the NCAAT.
SG: murray > lamb. murray is a player of the year type of candidate
SF: mkg > ??? huge gap because we dont for sure who it will be.
PF: jones > poythress. jones is a beast, not cose really
C: skal > davis. at the same stage, skal is better than davis offensively. skal already has a jump hook and a jumper. early on davis was mostly a rim runner, lob machine. skal does that too

bench: i think i'll take hawkins/mulder/brisco/lee/humphries over miller/wiltjer/vargas

you could make the case that the 2015 team is better right now at 2 or 3 positions than the 2012 team to start the year

I think somebody is using your username or you haven't been to bed yet. LOL


Ulis, although tenacious in the front court, has to show he can keep physical guards out of the lane. Teague did have an up and down year offensively, but also took over at times (Indiana) and was a bull, Tyler has yet to do this. Tyler has great vision and a better outside shot, but Teague is vastly underrated on this board.

Murray has crazy potential, will he be the knockdown shooter a sophomore Lamb was? Hopefully just an all around better offensive player.

SF - you are correct, dont even mention it.

PF - see SF

C - Skal is leaps and bounds better than AD offensively at the same time, but AD had such intangibles, even early on. His shot blocking, rebounding, on the floor defense far exceed Skal right not.


Bench - as a whole maybe. But if you could put one guy in the game would it be one of hawkins/mulder/briscoe/lee/humphries or a Senior Miller?

Cal said he is only going to play 6 or 7 (I think 8) so that depth may not be relevant in this situation.


The SF AND PF advantages are so drastic I wouldn't give this year's team a chance vs 2012.

 

[.S&C.]

We were 2nd in the nation in total rebounds last year.

What makes you think we will be a great rebounding team?

Poy did well his freshman year.

Marcus has never averaged more than 2 a game.

Skal is no Diallo on the glass.

Humphries did well the one time I watched him vs Stone, but athleticism may eat him up this year.

And we will most likely have a guy under 6-6 playing the wing.


I do like our ability to put the ball in the basket, but have no real evidence of our defensive and rebounding potential.

Last year I thought I was going to kill myself over our poor rebounding efforts in some important games. We racked up lots of rebounds against lesser teams IMO. I think we can manage fine with what we have. I also think this team has way more overall balance, albeit not as strong defensively even though I think they can be close.

Skal can be a very effective rebounder. Lee can get more given more minutes and trying to block a few less shots. He didn't have to be a rebounder last year.

 

[BostonCat2001]

I think somebody is using your username or you haven't been to bed yet. LOL


Ulis, although tenacious in the front court, has to show he can keep physical guards out of the lane. Teague did have an up and down year offensively, but also took over at times (Indiana) and was a bull, Tyler has yet to do this. Tyler has great vision and a better outside shot, but Teague is vastly underrated on this board.

Murray has crazy potential, will he be the knockdown shooter a sophomore Lamb was? Hopefully just an all around better offensive player.

SF - you are correct, dont even mention it.

PF - see SF

C - Skal is leaps and bounds better than AD offensively at the same time, but AD had such intangibles, even early on. His shot blocking, rebounding, on the floor defense far exceed Skal right not.


Bench - as a whole maybe. But if you could put one guy in the game would it be one of hawkins/mulder/briscoe/lee/humphries or a Senior Miller?

Cal said he is only going to play 6 or 7 (I think 8) so that depth may not be relevant in this situation.


The SF AND PF advantages are so drastic I wouldn't give this year's team a chance vs 2012.

i guess the way i see it.....

the way people talk about ulis, he is going to be one of the best PGs in UK history. if so, that makes him better than teague.

i like lamb....but murray is so much better than him its silly.

skal....again, is way ahead of davis right now offensively. dont know his impact defensively or on the boards, find it hard to believe he will be terrible at it. to start the season...skal is ahead of davis

bench strength...the 2015 bench is better, has more upside and has more options than the 2012 team.

 

[IL Wildcat]

I think it's too early to tell right now. I will say this... as of today, I like this year's backcourt better and last year's frontcourt better. That's about all I can say.

The whole thing hinges on just how good Murray and Briscoe turn out to be. To a lesser degree, it also hinges on how good Labissiere turns out to be and how well Poythress returns from that injury. But the biggest thing we have this year that the twins never really gave us (and hey, I still love those guys so don't go there) is a guy who can create and score whenever we need him to. That's what I think Murray can give us. In my opinion, and this is still obviously preliminary, Murray could be the best guard we've had since Brandon Knight.

 

[.S&C.]

I think some people put too much into "who's better". Some teams gel correctly because the attitudes, attributes, consistency, and coaching ability are all near perfect. Sometimes throwing "better" players into the equation throws the entire solution off.

Everyone's got some good points. Ulis is a coachable alpha and it's easily like seen. He was 18 last year with a mans attitude. We are good there, and probably better than we've been.

Murray is better than Mr. Clutch.

Skal CAN be good enough and close enough to WCS as a freshman IMO.

They've also got a much harder sec to work through. Half of the sec will be greatly improved from last year. They also have Duke and the rest of the OOC. losing early or in the sec wouldn't mean anything to me in this regard. I argued against it, but in reality maybe the SEC being so incredibly weak actually effected them in the tournament. They looked completely beatable from elite 8 on.

This team can win a title. If they do, they can easily have the thread.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

What's your thoughts on 2012 Indiana vs. 2015 Wisconsin? I think that 2012 Indiana team might have went the distance had they not been paired so poorly.

Of course, I know one is a S16 and the other is a runner up, but I think it would be interesting.

I think we saw what 2012 IU would have done in 2013 when they returned pretty much their whole team and still choked in the Sweet 16. They were good, but nothing special. I'm still not sure why they gave UK so much trouble both times...I think it was their ability to hit crazy 3's.

 

[.S&C.]

I think we saw what 2012 IU would have done in 2013 when they returned pretty much their whole team and still choked in the Sweet 16. They were good, but nothing special. I'm still not sure why they gave UK so much trouble both times...I think it was their ability to hit crazy 3's.

That's true, but I was referring to where Indiana was at that time. Damn they looked like they could've beat anyone in 2012 had we not been there. As much as it pains me, I think cream might have actually won a title that year had we not been so dominant. Am I taking cRazie pills?

 

[.S&C.]

They gave UK trouble both times because they did a decent job of having Zeller attack AD and get him in early foul trouble both times. More teams should have at least tried that, but Zeller was a fairly mobile big man. Beyond that, they had a streaky shooting team that happened to be hot both games. The second game wasn't really all that close. Maybe I was over confident but I never felt it was really in doubt.

Damn I must have been relapsing in that game. I remembered it differently. It seemed like had we not had in incredible night offensively, they would have went on. I remembered our boys having to play an A game to take it home.

:::id edit and add we owned Kansas far more easily than Indiana....at least it seemed that way to me.

 

[qwesley]

Davis and Towns had/have wider shoulders as frosh and developed a post game as the season went on. Skal is more narrow, we will see if he can do that.

 

[.S&C.]

Davis and Towns had/have wider shoulders as frosh and developed a post game as the season went on. Skal is more narrow, we will see if he can do that.

Good point.

 

[brianpoe]

i guess the way i see it.....

the way people talk about ulis, he is going to be one of the best PGs in UK history. if so, that makes him better than teague.

i like lamb....but murray is so much better than him its silly.

skal....again, is way ahead of davis right now offensively. dont know his impact defensively or on the boards, find it hard to believe he will be terrible at it. to start the season...skal is ahead of davis

bench strength...the 2015 bench is better, has more upside and has more options than the 2012 team.

Not unreasonable. Ulis, Murray, Briscoe and Skal all have to shine.