Okay, that’s your view…but the voting laws have changed, you might not like it…but that’s the reality.
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You don’t seem to be following.
If vote by mail wasn’t rife with fraud, what you say would be correct,
But if I vote by mail and my opponent casts 2 fraudulent ballots by mail, there’s no point in it and no advantage. Again, we merely have to look at who is pushing it to get an idea of why.
I wonder what changed since 2004?
“During a 2004 Congressional hearing, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-NY, said, “In my experience in New York, paper ballots are extremely susceptible to fraud. I could show you experience which would make your head spin.” Just two years ago in a legislative hearing in Austin, a prosecutor from South Texas (and registered Democrat) testified: “Any time you have ballots that are outside the polling location, you’re going to have fraud…I would never recommend everyone voting by mail – it invites fraud.”
Why does in-person voting stop fraud? How do you know your vote is being tallied and reported correctly?
How? Why?
Notice he left out Mail-in voting. Absentee typically requires you request a ballot and have to have a valid reason for it. Early voting generally means in-person at a polling place or at the county clerks office. Trump didn’t mention mass mailing ballots to every name on a register that likely hasn’t been purged.
How have the voting laws changed to make mail in ballots more secure than same day ballots?
I do follow.
If you think trusting your paper ballot or digital ballot in person at a location with volunteer activists is more secure, that’s fine.
The mail in these days is tracked where you can check on it 24/7 and get confirmation when your vote is received.
And if you are concerned about chain of custody, you can submit absentee in person at your local clerk of court.
I’m just letting you know, that you are doing a disservice to your candidates by being stubborn.
If you think trusting your paper ballot or digital ballot in person at a location with volunteer activists is more secure, that’s fine.
The mail in these days is tracked where you can check on it 24/7 and get confirmation when your vote is received.
And if you are concerned about chain of custody, you can submit absentee in person at your local clerk of court.
I’m just letting you know, that you are doing a disservice to your candidates by being stubborn.
You are wrong.
Absentee is mail in or delivered to your clerk of court.
Most states, including major swing states no longer require a reason.
Why would conservative Super PACs and the RNC whose careers and funding depend on Republicans winning be pushing so hard for absentee, if they thought there was a fraud issue?
There is a far more substantial chain of custody for in-person ballots.
Imagine even doubting otherwise.
Other countries (and red states) have elections wrapped up in HOURS. Who would not want that? Only those who have reasons to not want it, of course.
Why is it, Karl, that when you get a bill in the mail, it says on the envelope to never send cash?
Marxists. Plain and simple. They worship a guy who didn't want to work and shit on himself, and paid hookers to clean him afterwards.
Depends on where you live. If you live in a state like Florida where they count them early or first or a state like Kentucky with a fairly secure system, then no you’re not doing a disservice.
These don’t address the problem. It’s not MY ballot I’m worried about.
When thousands of ballots get sent to people who are dead, or who have moved out of state, or who never requested one….we’ve AUTOMATICALLY destroyed the notion of a fair election.
The only way that mail in ballots are good for my side is if my side cheats as hard as the other side. I’m completely against that because when that starts, it’s the end of elections and therefore the end of democracy.
This is not rocket science and ought to be plain to all.
In an interview Monday on Fox News, Lara Trump, the former president’s daughter-in-law and the newly installed GOP co-chair said Republicans had to match Democrats in encouraging their voters to take advantage of early voting and absentee voting options.
“We would love to have one day of voting. We would love to have voter ID and paper ballots. We can get back to that place … but we have to do it by electing Donald Trump at the top of the ticket, expanding our lead in the House and taking back the Senate and maybe we get back there one day. We gotta play the hand that we’re dealt and that means as soon as you can go vote, go vote out there and then you spend your time, every single day from that day on until Election Day, taking people to vote,” Lara Trump said. “We are going to have a legal ballot harvesting operation at the RNC. It’s something that has never been done before.”
Those comments came days after the RNC’s new Trump-backed chairman, Michael Whatley, sent a memo to the body of 168 committee members and party chairs, saying that “encouraging our voters to utilize early voting and vote-by-mail are top priorities as we reorganize the political operation at the RNC.”
“We would love to have one day of voting. We would love to have voter ID and paper ballots. We can get back to that place … but we have to do it by electing Donald Trump at the top of the ticket, expanding our lead in the House and taking back the Senate and maybe we get back there one day. We gotta play the hand that we’re dealt and that means as soon as you can go vote, go vote out there and then you spend your time, every single day from that day on until Election Day, taking people to vote,” Lara Trump said. “We are going to have a legal ballot harvesting operation at the RNC. It’s something that has never been done before.”
Those comments came days after the RNC’s new Trump-backed chairman, Michael Whatley, sent a memo to the body of 168 committee members and party chairs, saying that “encouraging our voters to utilize early voting and vote-by-mail are top priorities as we reorganize the political operation at the RNC.”
The same Republicans who have allowed open borders and a 35 trillion dollar debt, among other catastrophic acts?
It’s a real mystery, isn’t it?
Correct, depends on where you live.
PA, WI, MI, and NV…major swing states do not require a reason.
The more you listen, the more plain it becomes that a secure system is not the goal.
Lara Trump and Trump’s hand picked GOP chair are in agreement with me.
Just saying.
As I said, she is openly describing the end of democracy.
You are advocating for ballot harvesting machines. No need for a decent candidate, debates, or even coming out of your basement to campaign. Just saturate the ground with ballots and figure out how to collect more than the other guy.
Show me where this was the intent of the Founders.
Laws that were created and passed by democrats. Laws can and should be changed in this case.
But they wont be for november. So of course Trump is saying what he is. If the dems are going to do it then while the hell not. Everyone should just cheat their asses off and see who can cheat better
Ok, since you know and are experienced in all of this, answer or explain these questions.
How is mass mailing ballots to every name on a voter roll regardless of validity a safe and secure practice that can’t be a potential for fraud.
How do they verify the vote cast on these mass mailed ballots is valid and honestly cast by an American Citizen eligible to vote.
How do they ensure that certain mail in ballots aren’t “lost in the mail” or destroyed as it passes through who knows how many hands on its journey from your mailbox to the polling station?
Pretty sure they are referring to the vote dumps that were going on and seen on cameras.
And the only way to change the law is to elect GOP candidates…
We are telling you the best way to do that.
But by all means, go against the advice of everyone that has a major stake in a Republican majority.
We are telling you the best way to do that.
But by all means, go against the advice of everyone that has a major stake in a Republican majority.
Didn’t Kamala Harris even mention something to that effect back when she could actually speak without all the word salad?
So you’re saying voting machines can be tampered with?
You are notified and receive a picture of your ballot delivered to the clerk.
Nothing is fail safe.
Voting in person can be tampered with as well.
How do you know that the ballot box you put your ballot in doesn’t go missing by a Democrat activist poll volunteer?
I don’t understand why everyone is going against the advice of the Republican stakeholders telling you the best practices to get conservatives elected?
I'm in agreement Tommy. If the repubs don't already have 6-7 million ballots already marked for Trump in boxes hidden in secure warehouses around these states ready to go for November to go tit for tat with dems then they are going to lose.
Throw all integrity out the window for this election and see what happens. Why not
Throw all integrity out the window for this election and see what happens. Why not
Sounds like your admitting there was voter fraud in 2020. You saying voting machines or scanners can be tampered with? You saying vote counts can be manipulated? You saying activists can scan ballots multiple times or “cure” ballots towards their preferred candidate? Are you saying they can toss ballots for the opposition candidate. You saying they can see who hasn’t voted from a registry and cast votes in their name?
When you witness something suspicious or fraudulent, what steps are you taking to stop it or point it out? Or are you complicit?
As I said regarding absentee. You have to REQUEST a ballot and generally have a valid reason.
And they would push for absentee to counter the mass mailing done by democrats. It’s just trying to match them at their game because they know the system won’t be fixed until enough republicans win in swing states that altered the system to benefit Dems, can get in office and change it to common sense rules.
Republicans should keep campaigning on banning abortion, has been working well lately.
100% agree on the need for the Right to start embracing mail-in voting. Do folks really think mail-in voting is going to be banned after Trump supports it? Hell, the Republican state legislatures got us into this mess in some Midwestern states during the Covid and pre-Covid years. Not a chance they reverse course.
Do you believe Tim Scott is a favorite for the VP slot? Please tell me no.
My God…
I simply was stating that there is no fool proof way to make sure there is zero cheating.
I am not a poll volunteer. I don’t watch ballots. You have a fundamental misconception on how elections work.
I will say that in 2020, I was in a senior position on on a federal race in a state that is primarily mail in voting…we narrowly lost…if I had any evidence of voter fraud, I’d be the first person screaming that the election was bullshit because I barely missed out on a six figure win bonus.
I simply was stating that there is no fool proof way to make sure there is zero cheating.
I am not a poll volunteer. I don’t watch ballots. You have a fundamental misconception on how elections work.
I will say that in 2020, I was in a senior position on on a federal race in a state that is primarily mail in voting…we narrowly lost…if I had any evidence of voter fraud, I’d be the first person screaming that the election was bullshit because I barely missed out on a six figure win bonus.
No it’s not.
But whatever…you are entitled to vote however you want and go against what every Republican expert and strategist is saying.
For all they know they could be sending a picture of the ballot to a dogs email address. Doesn’t prove anything. And no, not all states send a notification or photo. My “woke” kids and step kids of voting age who mailed in their ballot here in Kentucky, never got a notification. Now I know you can go online and check if your ballot was cast, it’s a rather convoluted process but it doesn’t show who it was cast for. Just shows it was processed. Never was able to see where you could get an image of your ballot.
Why would every GOP strategist, committee, and Super PAC encourage absentee if they thought it would be open to fraud?
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