Seems like this dude has a personal agenda against the league and is trying to expose them at any cost.
Enes Freedom (Kanter) on a personal mission to expose NBA
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Does Enes not know that we all know the NBA and China have a working relationship?
Does Enes not know that we all know the NBA and China have a working relationship?
He's a better american than half the people that call themselves American
Not me. Burn the hypocritical NBA to the ground.
How is he exposing anything?We all know NBA's ties to China and nobody cares.
Love ya some China communism do ya? Good for him trying to expose anything he can on those dirty rotten bastards.
The NBA is literally rolling in money. Benchwarmers are making generational money. They don’t care.
The man has money, a name, and a platform that he attempts to use to shine light on disgusting human atrocities…
How anyone could be against that or tired of hearing about him is beyond me. Would you rather he start a reality show and a makeup line or some shit that use useless?
How anyone could be against that or tired of hearing about him is beyond me. Would you rather he start a reality show and a makeup line or some shit that use useless?
They’re rolling in money because they are in bed with the Chinese and Nike who don’t care about human rights. Similar to LIV and the Saudis. If you have a conscience you care.
His schtick is getting old now. He's going to expose that that the NBA loves China? lol I'm sure the league is shaking in their boots.
I don’t watch LIV mostly because it’s a terrible production and format. Every league is in bed with someone. Nature of the beast. PGA and DP are now basically Saudi run. F1, Soccer are in deep with the Saudis too. I just watch to be entertained.
I think it is common knowledge at this point, that most Americans don't have a conscience, therefore, they do not care.
Find me a multinational corporation that doesnt have a working relationship with China.
Does this apply to other areas of life, or just sports where it's easy to "care"? The entire world economy runs through China. You can't live in America and be an ethical consumer. We all live our nice middle class American lifestyles on the backs of the developing world and its people.
Bottom line is there's a political angle to this and that's why people say they care. But for some reason they don't care about construction workers dying in Texas because cities can institute their own laws mandating water breaks, or when a teenager kills himself because he was thrown in Rikers for years waiting a trial for a petty theft, or countless other human rights issues this country sees on a daily basis.
People care about this because it's been taken up as a cause of a certain political leaning. They'll gladly turn a blind eye to human rights issues that goes against their world view. Spare me the soapbox.
So workers are dying in Texas because they’re not allowed a drink of water? B. S.
Teenagers in New York are held in jail for YEARS awaiting trial on a petty theft?? B. S.
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Which makes them no different than virtually every multi-national corporation in the world.
I've never quite gotten why the NBA gets singled out for this when they're not doing anything different than everyone else who does business in China. How exactly is the NBA "in bed" with China any more than the car companies, movie studios, electronic and computer companies, food companies, etc.?
I've posed that question quite a few times but never gotten a real answer.
Nah. He's just going to add to the argument that the NBA is a fake-virtue-signaling "we love oppressed people" organization that pretends to be about human rights. At the end of the day, they're just another for profit organization that gladly turns a blind eye to human rights violations in China while being about "equity" here in the US.
Of course we all already know this, but it's good to keep the light shining bright on hypocrisy.
Because it's a league with players that are very upfront and public about more liberal political issues, and it's a way to discredit that message by pointing out perceived hypocrisy. That's literally the only reason.
So Enes shouldn’t care because it’s become a political issue?
Is the water break issue not political? Was it not dealt with through a political process as it worked through the Texas legislature? Does that fact now entitle me to tell you that you should no longer care about the issue, and that you talking about it is now an annoyance?
Instead of bashing Enes, who is actually trying to do something to deal with what he sees as injustices, why don’t you join him and do something about the causes you are passionate about? I bet Enes would cheer you on in the process.
I think the answer is because they're more in the limelight within the sporting world. You might see it more here because this is a sports message board. The NBA chose to go all in on the BLM stuff, and that left a residual imprint with many sports fans. Jerseys that read: "say their names" and "how many more" represented the height of public hypocrisy when the same league refuses to condemn the human rights violations in China.
So I suppose if Kellogg's or Ford or McDonald's changed their products momentarily to "Say Her Name" Cornflakes; Ford "Escort Them to Justice"; or the McDonald's "How Many More" Value Meal, they might have received just as much push back.
Maybe it’s because the NBA has gone out of its way to bring light to the shortcomings of our country, yet turns a blind eye to those of China even to the point of expelling ANYONE associated with bringing this point out, like Enes has done.
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I don't think many people would have an issue with those viewpoints if the same players and owners and league officials were consistent in their arguments.
Don't like injustice? That's fine. Wear your jerseys. But don't remain mum regarding the country you're making billions off of, a country that is doing exponentially worse on a ubiquitously blatant level.
You’re not wrong. But how does that make any of it right? Somebody has to start somewhere.
In this thread a lot of people claim nobody cares. I don’t think that’s true. Our ruling and money class don’t care for obvious reasons.
Everyone is hypocritical to a degree. Everyone. Do you care more about nameless people living in poverty halfway around the world, or people struggling in your own town, state, or country? It's human nature to give more attention to injustices they can see in their own community or that affect them directly.
Do I wish players like LeBron were more vocal about things like anti-semitism in the NBA? Of course. But I'm not going to keep parroting "WhAt AbOuT cHiNa?" every time NBA players bring up a legitimate issue here at home. No.
Why is Enes not told to "shut up and dribble"? It's because Fox News viewers like what he says. And you can make the case he's just as hypocritical as the likes of Lebron. He said of NBA players speaking out in 2020: "I feel like they should just keep their mouth shut and stop criticizing the greatest nation in the world and they should focus on their freedoms and their human rights and democracy." So because of human rights abuses in China NBA players can't speak up against legitimate issues here at home?
I'll reiterate. Everyone is hypocritical. I'm more likely to donate to my local food pantry then donate to cause helping the hungry in Africa. To speak out against every injustice everywhere would mean never shutting your mouth and never having time to actually live. People pick their battles. It is what it is.
Nominated for post of the month. Excellent product names there.
"It's human nature to give more attention to injustices they can see in their own community or that affect them directly."
This is the part of your argument that caves in at its base. Your argument: we're all hypocrites, and the NBA players are merely focusing on what is directly in front of their eyes. They can't be cognizant of every issue.
This is only a fair point if one were to assume that the league that has US racial injustice on their radar because they're "directly affected" likewise is not "directly affected" by the $5 billion dollars it makes from China annually.
I get not being able to speak up on behalf of every humans rights issue in the world. I also get the idea of only being affected by that which is pertinent to a given community or individual. But your argument lacks credibility by making a case that China is not directly on the NBA's radar and is not "directly affected" by China. It is. More so than any other country outside of the US. You're attempting to make China look like just another country, with it's own version of injustice that is "run-of-the-mill" when placed on the global scale, and that argument is fallacious at its core. When placed against your argument, China should matter more to the NBA because it "directly affects" the NBA to the tune of $5 billion. Does Pakistan have the same "direct effect?" Does North Korea, or Venezuela, or Iran?
The fact that hardly anyone in the league makes any sort of statement about that, while pointing out injustice (perceived or actual) in our nation is precisely the point where they lose all credibility in their arguments. Both are pertinent to the NBA. Massively so. Additionally, the fact that you evoked the cliched and trite Fox News and the lEtTer arguments into the discussion is also very telling about your outlook toward those who disagree with you.
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The problem is people only bring up China in response to something else. I would hope Enes is legitimate with this (although he often uses it as a way to criticize people like LeBron and has dove head first into becoming a mini Fox News celebrity), but your average person who supports this never brings it up organically. It's always used as a way to discredit the NBA or social causes its players support.
Why can't we care about human rights abuses in China without always bringing up the NBA or LeBron's hypocrisy? This just doesn't feel organic to me, it feels like another tool used to divide us. You can 100% work pressure the US government to do something about China without mentioning the NBA. And why the NBA? Why not Apple, Tesla, GM, Coca Cola, Microsoft, or Boeing?
To answer your last question, many people do bring up the hypocrisy of the corporate world, be it within Apple, Google, Amazon, Disney, etc.
I'm actually wondering where you get your information regarding what people choose to focus on in the realm of public hypocrisy. I've seen many outlets make the case that the hypocrisy in corporate America is rampant.
Maybe I'm a shitty American but I don't know how people find the energy to be an activist.
I don’t have time to enter this convo today but you and I have the exact same views on this issue. Keep spitting facts!
