Thinking about it, but don't know anyone personally that has one.
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You might want to hold off a little while. The dems were pushing for a $7,500 to $12,500 (if US union built) EV tax credit in their big social spending bill. There is a fair chance that this may end up in another smaller bill later this year. The tax credit was to go to the dealer at the time of sale thus reducing the purchase price.Thinking about it, but don't know anyone personally that has one.
Is that the e torque?I have a hybrid and I love it. It's a Ram 1500. I typically use the electric motor at the beginning of my trip. 12 volts with 800CCA does a fine job of firing up the hemi. Range is about 450miles. Would buy again. Call me green if you like, I'm just trying to do my part.
Is that sarcasm? If so, it was better than mine.Is that the e torque?
I can understand that. My BMW (not my primary car) is almost 10 yrs old and nearing 100K miles. May not do anything, but looking at alternatives just in case.GM only sold 26 total EV in the 4th quarter. Going green will be a tough sell for most people. I'm in no hurry to add a car payment when I just paid off the one I have. Especially not for some garbage technology that isn't ready for heavy use by the average consumer. Plus how many people can afford to replace the battery when it inevitably goes bad? I'll stick with my ICE with only 70k miles on it until it falls apart.
Tesla sold 308,600 in the same quarter.GM only sold 26 total EV in the 4th quarter. Going green will be a tough sell for most people. I'm in no hurry to add a car payment when I just paid off the one I have. Especially not for some garbage technology that isn't ready for heavy use by the average consumer. Plus how many people can afford to replace the battery when it inevitably goes bad? I'll stick with my ICE with only 70k miles on it until it falls apart.
Weird. What does the key have to do with the radio volume?hAD A Ford Fusion Hydrid .. I HATED it , not so much because of the electric hybrid engine but so many other features were a terrible PITA ... its a longer story really .. I have life long friends in the rebuild business .. I buy all my vehicles from them .. HS friends from 30 years ago . So I pick out what I want , they find it , fix it .. done deal. So I was dropping about 300 a month on gas in my truck and thought it was foolish so I bough the Ford .. It only came with one key .. So the previous owner had set the volume at a max sound of like 1/2 way up .. I couldnt hear the radio . The fix - 300-400 for a new key at the dealer .. and it had this weird feature where you couldnt open the trunk if the car was running , and yes , it was a total dog . but got 42-45 MPG . You could actually program a MAX speed of the vehicle also , it was called the " MyKey " system . I will never ever buy a Ford with that system . I found it a major PITA .
The master key can be used to set almost every level on the car .. speed , radio volume etc etc .. without the master key you are at the mercy of the previous ownerWeird. What does the key have to do with the radio volume?
I can understand that, but whatever I buy will not be my primary car.Don't even plan on looking at one until the US improves the infrastructure for charging and the cost for replacement batteries comes down significantly. I'll stick with gas engines for now thank you.
Thanks. I'll look at those.I’m all in on EV technology… have a reservation for the Lightning and Silverado both, will choose when the time comes (I’m looking at my next truck in late 2023-24 so I’m a late holder on the ford and early on the Chevy).
Still trying to convince my wife, as she’s due soon, that for an SUV she should look at a Tesla or the Mach E.. wish the id4 was a little bit more well regarded. The equinox looks great too but is still a ways off.
For me personally, the range anxiety is overrated. I drive across town to take my daughter to and from school, but that’ll change once she starts kindergarten in two years. Outside of that, my longest drive is to Cumberland and I can easily afford to put a charger in at my parents where we stay (or they may be going the EV route soon too), plus there are options there to grab a quick charge. If I’m road tripping to Florida, i can handle 3 stops for 20-30 mins each to charge.
Just remember that buying right now, you’re still an early adopter. The landscape is going to change rapidly over the next five years.
The Director has a Ford Escape.....it has the MYKEY ...... can't go over 75 mph in that car with my key......I don't drive it enough to get the manual out and change the settings.......it is a 2016 and has 32K miles on it......I have a 2017 F-150 with 34 K miles and it had 13,200 on it when I bought it......we are almost 70 yrs old......these will be the last two vehicles we own unless something happens to them........we normally drive a vehicle 20 yrs.......because we don't put many miles on them. I sold a 1994 C-10 chevy van that only had 62K miles on it in 2019......hAD A Ford Fusion Hydrid .. I HATED it , not so much because of the electric hybrid engine but so many other features were a terrible PITA ... its a longer story really .. I have life long friends in the rebuild business .. I buy all my vehicles from them .. HS friends from 30 years ago . So I pick out what I want , they find it , fix it .. done deal. So I was dropping about 300 a month on gas in my truck and thought it was foolish so I bough the Ford .. It only came with one key .. So the previous owner had set the volume at a max sound of like 1/2 way up .. I couldnt hear the radio . The fix - 300-400 for a new key at the dealer .. and it had this weird feature where you couldnt open the trunk if the car was running , and yes , it was a total dog . but got 42-45 MPG . You could actually program a MAX speed of the vehicle also , it was called the " MyKey " system . I will never ever buy a Ford with that system . I found it a major PITA .
With the MyKey system you can pre-set the volume levels and top speed........Weird. What does the key have to do with the radio volume?
Agree. I think that's about 3-5 years out for me. I still don't know how they expect apartment dwellers & those in houses w/o driveways to conveniently charge.Don't even plan on looking at one until the US improves the infrastructure for charging and the cost for replacement batteries comes down significantly. I'll stick with gas engines for now thank you.
My RAM probably has another 4 years left, and I will take a long look at an electric. Most of our travel down here is no more than a 2 hour trip, and going from Florida to Tennessee to see family, we usually make several stops anyway.I’m all in on EV technology… have a reservation for the Lightning and Silverado both, will choose when the time comes (I’m looking at my next truck in late 2023-24 so I’m a late holder on the ford and early on the Chevy).
Still trying to convince my wife, as she’s due soon, that for an SUV she should look at a Tesla or the Mach E.. wish the id4 was a little bit more well regarded. The equinox looks great too but is still a ways off.
For me personally, the range anxiety is overrated. I drive across town to take my daughter to and from school, but that’ll change once she starts kindergarten in two years. Outside of that, my longest drive is to Cumberland and I can easily afford to put a charger in at my parents where we stay (or they may be going the EV route soon too), plus there are options there to grab a quick charge. If I’m road tripping to Florida, i can handle 3 stops for 20-30 mins each to charge.
Just remember that buying right now, you’re still an early adopter. The landscape is going to change rapidly over the next five years.
I know Tesla has had issues with motor control sensors that cause it, but I think part of the problem is from balancing weight and 0-60 times. A model X is over 5k pounds and under 4 seconds to 60. Even the Nissan Leaf is almost 4k, which is what a full size pickup weighs. I think as battery tech gets better and lighter it should help.I know Teslas and other EVs have an issue where their tires go bald extremely quick. I'm sure someone can explain why, I'm not a gear head. But two coworkers gripe about it all the time and it's well documented I guess.
I know a retired couple who bought a Leaf as their “home” car. They love it but they’re the optimum user - it’s just driven in town, they don’t drain the battery very low, etc. They keep a gas suv as their “traveling” vehicle.I can understand that, but whatever I buy will not be my primary car.
I have yet to see one on the road. Gas or hybrid.Got a Ford Maverick hybrid on order. 42 mpg on the hwy.
This answers my question for sure and makes sense. So you could take the f150 camping and run electric stuff for quite awhile and have a regular ole generator to charge the truck back up real quick. Or if the f150 is running your house for longer than a few days and still no power just charge it with a regular generator.You can charge it with a generator if you were somehow broken down on the road with no charge. AAA and other tow services have this as an option.
It would take an incredible amount of time running the heater to run the battery down. The HV is giving you enough juice to hurl thousands of pounds down the road for hours at high rates of speed. The heater is nothing compared to that.
To take this into perspective, the new F-150 Lightning can be set up with a reverse charger. If it is fully charged, the car can be used as a home generator for up to three days. One of the reasons that the EV versions of the F-150 and the Silverado will be game changers is because it eliminates the need for generators at the job site. You can power your tools off the truck. We are already seeing this with the Hybrid versions.
Not interested in a hybrid.Got a Ford Maverick hybrid on order. 42 mpg on the hwy.
Thanks Perrin75. You are wealth of information on this subject. I also am not getting an EV "just" to save the environment (that's an added bonus), but gas stations are usually nasty, crowded, but a necessary inconvenience.You can charge it with a generator if you were somehow broken down on the road with no charge. AAA and other tow services have this as an option.
It would take an incredible amount of time running the heater to run the battery down. The HV is giving you enough juice to hurl thousands of pounds down the road for hours at high rates of speed. The heater is nothing compared to that.
To take this into perspective, the new F-150 Lightning can be set up with a reverse charger. If it is fully charged, the car can be used as a home generator for up to three days. One of the reasons that the EV versions of the F-150 and the Silverado will be game changers is because it eliminates the need for generators at the job site. You can power your tools off the truck. We are already seeing this with the Hybrid versions.
Wow! I need your phone number and put you on speed dial. lol....There are several companies making portable charging banks right now that will eventually replace generators. Think of a portable battery that you use for your phone. SparkCharge is one of the main companies, but there are others. In countries where EVs are more popular, there are companies you can call that will essentially bring a charging truck to a place like your work and charge the car while you are working. Some Chinese manufactures are even selling you essentially a lease on the battery. Just swap it out whenever you want for a full one. You just drive into something that looks like a Valvoline and they pop in a new battery. Takes 5 minutes or less.
A couple of other options for those that like off-roading and/or camping, Jeep is installing charging stations at the most popular trailheads. Also, if there is an RV park nearby, you could drive over there and charge up for a few hours and be good to go. They have level 2 charging at the campsites and they usually will try to help out EV owners.
For those that are thinking about an electric car, couple of important things to know. The first is about charging. There are three types. Level 1 is your basic household 120 plug. This is slow and can take several hours if your battery is really low. This is what I used when I first bought my car, and it normally took about 12 hours or longer for a depleted battery.
Level 2 charging is 240, or basically what your dryer is using. This will charge my car from empty in about 3-4 hours. It makes life a lot easier and there are actually a lot of level 2 chargers just sort of hanging around out there and many are free. There are several apps that you can use to find these.
Level 3 is DC fast charging. This can be incredibly fast. Think the Tesla super chargers. These are normally found near the interstates, in a lot of big shopping centers, or at major retailers like Walmart or Meijers. For my car I can normally charge in about 30-40 minutes if empty.
The charging rate is the other thing to understand. Every car has an on-board charger that regulates how fast it charges. Up until this year, most of them were about the same. Now we are starting to see companies putting out better and better on-board chargers which significantly increases the charging rate. So, a Hyundai Ioniq 5 will charge a lot faster than my car even though the battery is over twice as large. This tech is getting better and better all the time.
As charging times become faster, then range drops in importance. The average gas car gets about 300 miles on a tank of gas. If an EV can match that, and only take 10-15 minutes to charge, then it becomes more like a normal driving experience.