'96 vs '24 stats

[HagginHall1999]

Averages rounded below. There are some statistical similarities. Two totally different styles of play, obviously.

Can't wait for conference season to kickoff.

'96
91 - 69
33/68 FG, 49%
7/18 3FG, 40%
18/25 FT, 71%
42 rbs
22 ast, 15 TO
12 stl
5 blks

Other Defensive- 42%FG, 33% 3FG, 799 forced turnovers, 22 per game


'24
91 - 73
33/66 FG, 50%
10/25 3FG, 42%
13/18 FT, 74%
38 rbs
19 ast, 9 TO
9 stl
6 blks

Other Defensive- 41%FG, 31% 3FG, 170 forced turnovers, 14 per game

 

[know1]

I'll take 1996. Probably 9.5/10 games.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I'd take 96 12 times out of 10.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Just fyi, that isn't what thread was about...

 

[know1]

Just fyi, that isn't what thread was about...

What is it about then? What's the point of comparing stats? How about explaining it?

 

[Cowtown Cat]

The difference is obviously defense. That 1996 team was smothering.

 

[HagginHall1999]

What is it about then? What's the point of comparing stats? How about explaining it?

I'll let you ponder it, genius.

 

[dl51344]

It is all about defense now.

 

[JimboBBN]

Interesting comparison. I’d like to revisit after we play a handful of SEC games. The toughest part of our schedule hasn’t happened yet.

 

[know1]

I'll let you ponder it, genius.

So no answer, then.

 

[UKBlueBlood]

Shew… what I’d give for ‘24 to have some of the defensive chops of ‘96, ‘96 just buried many, many teams on the schedule within the first 5-10 minutes of the game, and it was over. I remember watching most opposing teams warm up in Rupp and just shaking my head, somewhat feeling sorry for what was about to happen to them.

 

[KY Long Rifle]

The difference in turnovers created is staggering.

 

[IowaMuse]

I get the stats comparison which is interesting. But no one is actually suggesting this years team is anywhere near as good as the 96 team, right?

 

[bigbluelou]

I get the stats comparison which is interesting. But no one is actually suggesting this years team is anywhere near as good as the 96 team, right?

I don’t think so. At least they shouldn’t. This year’s team has a LONG way to go to get even close to 96. That said, I do like this team and think we can make a deep run.

 

[IowaMuse]

I don’t think so. At least they shouldn’t. This year’s team has a LONG way to go to get even close to 96. That said, I do like this team and think we can make a deep run.

I wish this team had another few games before conference play. Some of their current limitations/challenges might result in UK taking a few losses they otherwise wouldn’t perhaps later in the season.

 

[NoDef]

It's also a different officiated game than it was in 96. I never want to go back to the days where they let older stronger guards PUSH the ball handler to where they wanted to on the floor. Pitino teams always relied on the officials to get to get tired enough of the foul disparity that they quit calling fouls. It"s no coincidence that Izzo got less successful when they started blowing the whistles when his guards would put their hands on the opposing players.

 

[HagginHall1999]

I get the stats comparison which is interesting. But no one is actually suggesting this years team is anywhere near as good as the 96 team, right?

There have been several "since '96" tidbits and/or asks coming out.

In terms of offensive production, this team is on par or better in several areas through 1/3 of season.

The '96 team created so much chaos defensively though.

So no, I don't think anyone is saying they are better or anything. My point was just to call out how good we've been offensively through non-conference schedule.

It is literally the best offense we've seen at UK in nearly 30 years.

 

[HagginHall1999]

So no answer, then.

I answered. Best offense we've seen at UK in 3 decades. Interesting to also see we are holding opponents to slightly lower FG%. That is really a result of easy baskets teams would get when we didn't turn them over back in '96.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

96 team played five games against final four opponents. The stats are post season. This team has played a comparatively very light schedule. They also played 13 games against Sweet 16.

Georgia, Mass, Arkansas, Mississippi State twice. And played Georgia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, Wake Forest and Utah once.

I appreciate the greater offense.

The 96 team scored over 100 points seven times after January 1st.

 

[CB3UK]

Yeah....this thread seems a bit presumptuous.

 

[Ky grandpa]

I want to see UK at the end of the season being as good, then I will believe... As of this moment I still think the 96 team was the best UK team of all time, or at least in that decade and up till this season...


GBB

 

[Cawood86]

I see zero comparisons between these 2 teams. Way too early imo.

 

[Blueaz]

Just fyi, that isn't what thread was about...

of course not... but some can't find (don't want to find) any positivity. It must be hard and lonely to live like that.

 

[ukjenning44]

96 team played five games against final four opponents. The stats are post season. This team has played a comparatively very light schedule. They also played 13 games against Sweet 16.

Georgia, Mass, Arkansas, Mississippi State twice. And played Georgia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, Wake Forest and Utah once.

I appreciate the greater offense.

The 96 team scored over 100 points seven times after January 1st.

Great post.
The SEC was a powerhouse back then with Arkansas winning it in 94, RU in 95, and Miss St in the FF with us in 96.

 

[IowaMuse]

There have been several "since '96" tidbits and/or asks coming out.

In terms of offensive production, this team is on par or better in several areas through 1/3 of season.

The '96 team created so much chaos defensively though.

So no, I don't think anyone is saying they are better or anything. My point was just to call out how good we've been offensively through non-conference schedule.

It is literally the best offense we've seen at UK in nearly 30 years.

Right. And the adjustment in style of play and more emphasis on the 3 is so important. It creates a little more margin for error and puts more pressure on opposing teams.

The 2017 team had moments of this but didn’t have enough perimeter firepower.

 

[HagginHall1999]

96 team played five games against final four opponents. The stats are post season. This team has played a comparatively very light schedule. They also played 13 games against Sweet 16.

Georgia, Mass, Arkansas, Mississippi State twice. And played Georgia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, Wake Forest and Utah once.

I appreciate the greater offense.

The 96 team scored over 100 points seven times after January 1st.

Agreed. That said much of their offense came off of pressure defense and stealing the ball easy transition buckets etc.

I know you know this so I'm not telling you anything you don't know lol. Again these are two totally different teams I'm just saying from a statistical perspective where we stand today we have not seen anything like this in a long long time.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Great post.
The SEC was a powerhouse back then with Arkansas winning it in 94, RU in 95, and Miss St in the FF with us in 96.

The SEC was top heavy back then but the middle and bottom half of the conference was pretty much awful. They put 4 teams in tourney in '96.

 

[Blueaz]

I want to see UK at the end of the season being as good, then I will believe... As of this moment I still think the 96 team was the best UK team of all time, or at least in that decade and up till this season...


GBB

yep, but not the point of the thread.
Not a Cal or Stoops fan, but damn; I am a UK fan and when e are playing well...I don't shit about the negativity, its about the moment.
but that's just me...

 

[ukjenning44]

The SEC was top heavy back then but the middle and bottom half of the conference was pretty much awful. They put 4 teams in tourney in '96.

We lost to Cal coached UMass team that season so we actually weren’t that good 😂

 

[know1]

I answered. Best offense we've seen at UK in 3 decades. Interesting to also see we are holding opponents to slightly lower FG%. That is really a result of easy baskets teams would get when we didn't turn them over back in '96.

It's a result of a mostly cupcake schedule and no road games.

You posted stats to compare the two teams. Then when people said there was no comparison, you gave a vague, sheepish answer that it wasn't about that.

 

[HagginHall1999]

It's a result of a mostly cupcake schedule and no road games.

You posted stats to compare the two teams. Then when people said there was no comparison, you gave a vague, sheepish answer that it wasn't about that.

Lol, ok man. Time to find something else to do besides argue on the internet.

Nobody said there was no comparison in the offense btw.

 

[HagginHall1999]

We lost to Cal coached UMass team that season so we actually weren’t that good 😂

You know we really could have lost the opening game to Maryland that year too. Took Pitino a minute to figure out who the PG needed to be.

 

[HagginHall1999]

I see zero comparisons between these 2 teams. Way too early imo.

I'm not comparing as if to say we aren't losing another game this year. I'm comparing the offense primarily. Look at the stats. We will see how they hold up over the next few months but where they sit right now there is certainly a comparison. They are almost identical.

 

[ruppcat]

The difference is obviously defense. That 1996 team was smothering.

What I was thinking. They'd get a team down and keep kicking them down.

Though I think a lot of that was Pitino's mindset. Cal just doesn't have that killer instinct. I think it's what's kept him from winning more games and titles.

 

[ruppcat]

It's also a different officiated game than it was in 96. I never want to go back to the days where they let older stronger guards PUSH the ball handler to where they wanted to on the floor. Pitino teams always relied on the officials to get to get tired enough of the foul disparity that they quit calling fouls. It"s no coincidence that Izzo got less successful when they started blowing the whistles when his guards would put their hands on the opposing players.

Didn't get tired of hitting the whistle in the 97 title game. IIRC 41 fts to UK's 17.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Didn't get tired of hitting the whistle in the 97 title game. IIRC 41 fts to UK's 17.

yep! Unbelievable stat!