He took 9 3s last year. You think all of a sudden because Brooks is gone he's magically going to become a good 3 pt shooter? Toppin has a lot of strengths...good mid range game, good defensively- but he has shown nothing to indicate he will become an effective 3 point shooter.
Never said he would shoot better threes. You can be a stretch 4 without being a great 3-point shooter. He proved he has the ability to make long-range shots and is an explosive athlete. He's an upgrade over Brooks and that's a good thing. I'm not sure he's coming back. Nobody is. I hope he does because I really think he can have a special year.
When did I say he would be a great 3-point shooter? Again, you can be a stretch 4 and not be a great 3-point shooter.
Another example of what bad fans are like. Brooks left. No need to ridicule him.
OK I see where you're going with this, but our biggest weakness lately has been the lack of 3 shooters. Looking at teams like Arky and Auburn, they've got forwards who can stick the three. We need more versatility in our lineup. Otherwise we're one dimensional. If we only have two guys who can shoot the three and they're both guards, we're sunk without a trace.
Oh, I completely agree. On that same note, a stretch 4 that can shoot the three is far from the solution to our problems. We are not going to be a strong shooting team and if CJ isn't able to play a full, healthy season, watch out. Teams are going to pack it in on us and dare us to shoot the three. With Wheeler playing PG, defense against UK is easy. I'm more frustrated that Calipari has just given up on this roster. He needs to kick rocks.
Yep all we need is one 5-for-25 night from behind the arc and our tournament is over. Oscar can only do so much, as the loss to St. LOL proved.
I do, they stretch the floor. A 4 that can make mid to long-range jumpers is considered a stretch 4.
Negative. Analytics have virtually negated the long 2 in modern basketball. Most teams will give up long 2s. Brady Manek is the best example of a college stretch 4. Opens up the floor for penetration and gives Oscar room to operate. But you can call it whatever you'd like.
So, a stretch 4 doesn't........stretch the floor? That's an odd take.
A 27% shooter from 3 (who only attempted 9) isn't stretching anything. You give him a step (or 2) and dare him to shoot a 3. You double off him when the ball goes to the post because you closeout short if they kick it back to him. The defender clogs driving lanes. You truly don't understand, but that's ok.
You are so stuck on the fact that a stretch 4 has to shoot threes that you have lost the definition.
That's the literal definition of a stretch 4. 😂 Anything other than that and they are a traditional 4. You do you pal. Or maybe google, or talk to someone who understands basketball.
Hopefully this helps the resident "4" expert.Stretch four
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Dirk Nowitzki, pictured in 2008, was well-known for his outside shooting ability as a seven-footer.
In basketball, a stretch four (sometimes called a stretch big) is a player at the power forward position that can generate offense farther from the basket than a conventional power forward. "Stretch" describes the effect such a player has on the opposition defense, and the power forward position is also known as the "four"; hence "stretch four". The stretch four is a fairly recent innovation in the NBA (with an "explosion"[1] of players coming through since the 1999–2000 season),[2] but is still becoming increasingly common in today's game, as many NBA coaches now use the "small-ball" line-up/tactical play.[3]
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Power forwards (PF's) traditionally play close to the basket, using their size and strength to provide interior defense, posting up (scoring close to the basket) and rebounding.[4] A stretch four is a player that is of power forward size but has superior shooting skills (especially three-point field goals), spending more of their time away from the basket.[5] While using these skills on offense, the player retains the ability to defend the opposing power forward.
He'll only take 9 threes this year, because our brilliant coach will tell him to take one step in and shoot it. That shot is the worst shot in basketball, but Cal has these guys shooting it as a primary weapon.
He's not a post player, true. But he needs work from three else he becomes useless. But you already made that point so we're talking in circles LOL
Which forwards off of Arkansas and Auburn shot the 3 well? Jabari Smith. Who else?
At least they have the threat of it. 30% is still higher than any of our forwards this year.
"In basketball, a stretch four is a player at the power forward position that can generate offense farther from the basket than a conventional power forward. "Stretch" describes the effect such a player has on the opposition defense, and the power forward position is also known as the "four"; hence "stretch four".
So PJ made less than 1 per game. Gabriel 1 per game. Those aren't threats. You're strengthening my argument.
The definition I posted DEFINITELY mentions and even emphasizes three point shooting. Scroll up and read it.
Which also strengthens my argument that a stretch 4 does not have to be a sharpshooter from 3. Make 1 or 2 a game to keep the defense honest and you have....wait for it............
IF Toppin comes back, and IF Toppin shoots 3 3s per game, and IF Toppin makes 1 per game, then MAAAAAYYBE it'll open up the floor a little. But Wheeler will hold us back unless he becomes deadly.
Wheeler running the point is more detrimental than not having a stretch 4.
Cal frowns on anyone but guards taking 3's. Maybe that is why we are always near the bottom taking 3's.
You were talking about Terrence Jones who made 0.7 per game as a Freshman, 0.4 per game as a sophomore.
I know it's statistics and mathematics and law of average and all that, but these stats crack me up when you think of them in a literal sense. Making 0.4 of a shot is hilarious. You can count on him to have a shot go 40% of the way in and rim back out every game. I know, it's dumb and doesn't take much to make me laugh.
PJ Washington improved a great deal his Soph season from outside.
Great take on Wheeler. He's got to improve his jumper. His mechanics were much better as year went on but it's got to be about confidence/conviction when taking shots and not hoping they go in. But his balance improved from his UGA days. Good thing about shooting it's something you can improve if you put in the work.
