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Why is the Defense still bad?

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You would think a defensive guy like Stoops would have a better D. I know it all starts up front, but shouldnt it be better than this? Yeah, they have made plays at times. Mostly against equal or lesser opponents. Should it be considered switching to a 4-3? Is it play calling? Talent? Coachi g? All the above?
 
You would think a defensive guy like Stoops would have a better D. I know it all starts up front, but shouldnt it be better than this? Yeah, they have made plays at times. Mostly against equal or lesser opponents. Should it be considered switching to a 4-3? Is it play calling? Talent? Coachi g? All the above?
Statistically, Georgia has 1 of the top rushing offenses in the country, and they have done what they did to us yesterday to everyone they have played except Auburn. Our defensive personnel are good enough now to cause problems for Vandy and South Carolina, but not good enough or deep enough to cause problems for Georgia. After 5 years of Stoops' recruiting, our defense is better than what he inherited from Joker, but not as good as it will be if Stoops can keep recruiting at a high level for another 5 years. Stoops just received another extension and is under contract for many years to come. Stoops is a 3-4 coach. So there will not be a 4-3, and that is a moot conversation as long as Stoops keeps recruiting big, fast outside linebackers like Josh Paschal, Jordan Wright, Xavier Peters.
 
Why is the Defense still bad?
Because it takes a boat load of stud athletes and we don't have enough yet.

Our Mike is a perfect example. He's a great leader, gets us lined up, knows what to do, etc. But he does not possess SEC speed to make the plays WHERE they need to be made. It's a step late. Every play, all day, every day.

That's one example.

If we had Georgia's players, our defense would be a whole lot better.

Next question, please.
 
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Honestly I'm not a fan of the soft coverage a team with a decently poised QB can pick you apart for 5-8 yard ins , outs and slants..... also I never see our defense step up to meet the ball carrier or fly to the ball it's like we concede and then try to tackle once the play is made.
 
Because UGA has 2 of the best RBs in the SEC and they ourecruit UK by a mile every year? Just spit balling.
 
Honestly I'm not a fan of the soft coverage a team with a decently poised QB can pick you apart for 5-8 yard ins , outs and slants..... also I never see our defense step up to meet the ball carrier or fly to the ball it's like we concede and then try to tackle once the play is made.
Agreed. And it seems the opponent's ball carrier, no matter who, ALWAYS falls forward. Sure tackles are a weak point of these players.
 
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Honestly I'm not a fan of the soft coverage a team with a decently poised QB can pick you apart for 5-8 yard ins , outs and slants..... also I never see our defense step up to meet the ball carrier or fly to the ball it's like we concede and then try to tackle once the play is made.
This^^^^ I dont get letting them throw 5-8 yrds and make a tackle. I think Stoops is afraid of giving up anything deep. Unfortunatly it still happens
 
Best team won.

Why is this so hard to understand?

This. I dont see why people are so upset. That was one of the best teams in the nation, at their place, on senior day. And we hung in with them for 3 quarters or so. Basically until some key injuries.

They made every defense (except auburn) look just like that, if not worse. Also, how many times did we have defenders in position yet fail to make a play? Most times.

After sleeping on it, it wasnt as bad as i initially thought.
 
Best team won.

Why is this so hard to understand?
True that. I think most conceded this game last summer and given the history of the series the last 5 years a rout was certainly likely. Some days you're the windshield some days you're the bug.
 
If we had Georgia's players, our defense would be a whole lot better.

Next question, please.

Will we ever have Georgias players? Then let's stay on this question.

Your answer is actually the perfect answer of why the D isn't better. We're trying to play an Alabama scheme without Alabama athletes, and like you said, it won't work. All the vaunted recruiting success will never matter if we keep trying to use less talent and less depth to do the same thing as teams with more talent and more depth.

Allen, Ware, Jones, Edwards, Baity. Early to say on a lot of really promising young guys, but at a minimum we've got 5 soon to be NFL players and a ton of other NFL talents all over the field as is and we don't play like it.
 
Statistically, Georgia has 1 of the top rushing offenses in the country, and they have done what they did to us yesterday to everyone they have played except Auburn. Our defensive personnel are good enough now to cause problems for Vandy and South Carolina, but not good enough or deep enough to cause problems for Georgia. After 5 years of Stoops' recruiting, our defense is better than what he inherited from Joker, but not as good as it will be if Stoops can keep recruiting at a high level for another 5 years. Stoops just received another extension and is under contract for many years to come. Stoops is a 3-4 coach. So there will not be a 4-3, and that is a moot conversation as long as Stoops keeps recruiting big, fast outside linebackers like Josh Paschal, Jordan Wright, Xavier Peters.
They rushed for 196 yards against SCjr.
 
You would think a defensive guy like Stoops would have a better D. I know it all starts up front, but shouldnt it be better than this? Yeah, they have made plays at times. Mostly against equal or lesser opponents. Should it be considered switching to a 4-3? Is it play calling? Talent? Coachi g? All the above?

Because defense take a lot longer to build than offense and we all know how bad we have been in the last 30 years at it. It may take us another 2-3 years to start seeing a better defense.
 
Maybe Stoops' reputation as defensive expert can be traced to the fact that the caliber of players he had at F$U was considerably higher. He had the athletes to run his system and to this point at UK he doesn't. JMO
 
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Soooo, we shouldnt be competing better than yesterday?
You began this thread by asking if we need to switch to a 4-3. You questioned our coaches, which is always easy to do after a loss. You are still asking rhetorical questions now. Yesterday, we were a 3 touchdown underdog on the road to the nation's #7 team. Our quarterback almost got killed yesterday. How, exactly, would you "compete better" against a ranked team with a huge home field advantage and a huge talent advantage?
 
Why is the Defense still bad?
Because it takes a boat load of stud athletes and we don't have enough yet.

Yet? When?

We have similar ranked recruiting classes (upper 20s and 30s) since Stoops has arrived. Have to figure out ways to compete with what we are bringing in now.

That boat you are waiting for isnt coming here.
 
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We have several shortcomings but the main problem is we can't cover. We'll always struggle to keep up up front with the SEC bigger boys because there are just so many big Talented DL out there and most get scooped up by them. But if we can at least find some cover guys then we are able to play more aggressive which we HAVE to do and bring more pressure and create some things and get some stops on third down.

We all thought this year was the year we could do that because we had what many thought was one of the better Dbackfield groups around with 4 star guys etc. So unlike the DL we should have had the athletes to compete back there but for some reason have gone the other direction and become one of the worst pass defense groups in the country. That is the difference plain and simple. It crushed our chance to be a 9 win team and is the reason we had to scrap to win seven so far.

It s real troubling to me how that happened because I do believe we have athletes bi
It man they struggle in even simple coverage.
 
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Yet? When?

We have similar ranked recruiting classes (upper 20s and 30s) since Stoops has arrived. Have to figure out ways to compete with what we are bringing in now.

That boat you are waiting for isnt coming here.

To be fair, those classes are just now getting some age. Our D next year will be a huge step up. And so on after that. Also important to note we play really well against conventional offenses.

The biggest problem with stoops and his scheme is against spread option, especially with tempo. The numbers show that.

I am furious over their scheme against those teams because they insist on leaving Love on the field at all times which is just a horrificly poor decision. We need better athletes on the field against those squads.

Hopefully winning allows us to take the next step in recruiting. That way we arent always forced to find the 2 star Josh Allen/diamnond in the rough.
 
The answer to your question is the defensive line.Until Kentucky can recruit SEC defensive linemen they will never have a legitimate defense. If you can't stop the run, then it opens up the pass. Their quarterback had all day to pass, that's another reason our vaunted secondary has had problems this year. Look at the top teams, most have stellar defensive lines that attack the line of scrimmage, it makes playing defense alot easier. Hopefully, will start doing like Mississippi State and hitting the JUCO route for some big studs.
 
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The answer to your question is the defensive line.Until Kentucky can recruit SEC defensive linemen they will never have a legitimate defense. If you can't stop the run, then it opens up the pass. Their quarterback had all day to pass, that's another reason our vaunted secondary has had problems this year. Look at the top teams, most have stellar defensive lines that attack the line of scrimmage, it makes playing defense alot easier. Hopefully, will start doing like Mississippi State and hitting the JUCO route for some big studs.
These answers must come through recruiting. I said on another thread, and have been saying for the last 2 years, that lack of a consistent pass rush is what separates our football program now from SEC programs still ahead of us. You can't allow an SEC quarterback to stand in the pocket as long as he wants. It's why our secondary gets picked apart. It's why our defense gets gassed. And on the other end of the barrel, it's why SJ is getting beaten half to death.
 
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Why is the Defense still bad?
Because it takes a boat load of stud athletes and we don't have enough yet.

Our Mike is a perfect example. He's a great leader, gets us lined up, knows what to do, etc. But he does not possess SEC speed to make the plays WHERE they need to be made. It's a step late. Every play, all day, every day.

That's one example.

If we had Georgia's players, our defense would be a whole lot better.

Next question, please.[/QUOT

Then I guess we shouldn't have even made the trip to Athens.

Coach Stoops is a supposed defensive specialist. I don't care how much more talented UGA was, it's no excuse for our inability to tackle.

So, the answer is Coach Stoops will NEVER be able to win against over half of the SEC teams because we aren't as talented.
 
Here is my concern for UK under Stoops....I know the talent level is improved from where he was when Stoops got here. I'm not sure the kids for the next four years will be better than what we've got now.

1. Is Kash going to be better than Love? He might not even win the job next year.
2. Allen/Ware are a solid duo as edge LB...is Paschal/Boogie going to be better?
3. Eli Brown going to be better than Jordan Jones?
4. Robinson going to be better than Edwards?
5. Griffen is way worse than Baity or Westry IMO....not sure if Corker/Garner is going to be better.
6. The DL is most likely to improve
- Bohanna easily plays better than Pringle/Elam
- Middleton has bee completely MIA all year long....but is Looney really better
- Carter is OK vs. run and a ghost vs pass....Whitaker/Wright...we'll they play better.

I'm just not sure we have better talent replacing the current guys. I'm mostly in the camp Stoops has hired some real no names even for UK (House/Clinksdale) and gotten really poor results. I really thought Stoops with this name/pedigree would bring in better coaches, but he's really not hired a name coach save Derek Ansley.
 
Here is my concern for UK under Stoops....I know the talent level is improved from where he was when Stoops got here. I'm not sure the kids for the next four years will be better than what we've got now.

1. Is Kash going to be better than Love? He might not even win the job next year.
2. Allen/Ware are a solid duo as edge LB...is Paschal/Boogie going to be better?
3. Eli Brown going to be better than Jordan Jones?
4. Robinson going to be better than Edwards?
5. Griffen is way worse than Baity or Westry IMO....not sure if Corker/Garner is going to be better.
6. The DL is most likely to improve
- Bohanna easily plays better than Pringle/Elam
- Middleton has bee completely MIA all year long....but is Looney really better
- Carter is OK vs. run and a ghost vs pass....Whitaker/Wright...we'll they play better.

I'm just not sure we have better talent replacing the current guys. I'm mostly in the camp Stoops has hired some real no names even for UK (House/Clinksdale) and gotten really poor results. I really thought Stoops with this name/pedigree would bring in better coaches, but he's really not hired a name coach save Derek Ansley.
Why are you so negative towards Kash? I think he's a helluva talent.
 
Why are you so negative towards Kash? I think he's a helluva talent.
I don't know what to make of Kash positive or negative...he's never played and even in spring drills he's not been a standout yet. I guess what makes me wonder if he'll be an improvement over Love is the staff moved Boogie to MLB...which does make you scratch your head as to why? It isn't like we have great depth at Jack LBer behind Ware.
 
The Pumper Club won’t address this question. It hurts their credibility.
Not that I am a pumper, but let me speak for pumpers everywhere. UK defeated those 2 teams, what damn difference does it make by how many? In 3 years people aren't going to look back and say, UK won 8, 9 whatever games, but just barely beat EKU. There ya go.
 
Not that I am a pumper, but let me speak for pumpers everywhere. UK defeated those 2 teams, what damn difference does it make by how many? In 3 years people aren't going to look back and say, UK won 8, 9 whatever games, but just barely beat EKU. There ya go.
Well, sir or ma’am, the difference is that even against inferior opponents the defense played bad. Those things matter.
 
UK will not be able to compete with the upper echelon until they field andefense.
 
We have had 2 defensive coordinators since Stoops has been here and I had never heard of either before that, that doesn't mean anything. I still think with the players we have the 4-3 would be better, I've never heard of teams that weren't loaded with talent run the 4-3 defense. Our line is hasn't been good enough in recent memory to run what we are running, sooner or later we should see better results with our line play.
 
Because although our recruiting has picked up big time, we still recruit at the bottom of the sec. It's just that simple.
 
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