Watching kings vs rockets...
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you don't know crap bout chuck hayes. Let one of those dudes try and post up on Chuck and see what happens. There is a reason he is big like that. He CANT be backed down by even 7fters and he has quick hands. Go look up chuck hayes post defense on youtube, He has stopped all the best in the game.
Watching game and Karl leaving Cousins and Rondo on bench pretty much whole 4th? Lol the fans,will Run him out of town. If I am a Kings fan I want Cousins on the floor. Lol game was close no Cousins etc.. Rockets pretty much take a double digit lead while getting killed on boards. Oh yeah WCS hasnt been in the 4th much either. Karl is a bumm!
George Karl made some... interesting coaching decisions to say the least. That team needs Boogie back in a bad way.
On a better note, WCS may already be one of the best defenders in the league. Any center that can defend James Harden as well as he did in the few opportunities that he was out there on him, you have to tip your cap to that. Goes with the 2 blocks and 2 steals that he also logged.
On a better note, WCS may already be one of the best defenders in the league. Any center that can defend James Harden as well as he did in the few opportunities that he was out there on him, you have to tip your cap to that. Goes with the 2 blocks and 2 steals that he also logged.
i love the kings, i love boogie, and i love WCS, but they will always suck making picks like WCS over Mudiay, Winslow, and Johnson. Actually regardless of ownership and upper management going back almost 10 years now to 2007 the Kings have been in the lottery every year and Boogie was their only good pick literally. Every other year just total cluster f.
Actually the Kings have sucked making picks like Mudiay and Winslow while not having a rim protecting big man. WCS provides something that the Kings have lacked for many years, and that's a guy who is a potentially great defensive player who can rebound and provide rim protection. (The closest one they had was Samuel Dalembert who was only there one year in 2010-11 and wasn't that good anyway.)
I think Willie Cauley-Stein is a perfect compliment to Cousins.
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If it wasn't for the Rocket's rash of injury problems, Chuck would already be out of the league this year.
I do think he will be an excellent assistant coach in the NBA, as I think everyone in the league respects how he is able to study and break down the tendencies of the guys he is going to face in preparation for a game.
That's a skill that is lacking among most players and readily transferrable to a coaching job in the league.
Unfortunately that's what happened last year. The Kings started the season hopeful of being an improved team that might make some noise in the race for a playoff spot. They started off well but then Boogie got sick for an extended time, they quickly started losing and then the coach was fired and the wheels fell off the bus.
This year although they lost two early games to the Clippers, the team was looking improved but since Boogie's injury they've looked lost (although I didn't see the Houston game, I can only assume that hasn't changed.)
Hopefully this time around he'll be back this Monday (as apparently he's said he will be) and they can get the team turned around quickly before people start to get discouraged once again.
It's remarkable he made it this long - a 6'6" big man with a limited offensive game who was probably seen as a two to three year career guy when he first entered the league. Just an incredible career.
agreed - when I heard Chuck was re-signed by the Rockets I was surprised; thought he had already retired.
I'm happy for him - he'll always be one of my favorite Wildcats
The Kings roster is much improved. You cannot expect turnarounds to happen overnight. Look at the Cavs last year. They looked like a bust early in the year and ended up making a run to the Finals. Give these guys time to jell with each other and a new coach and you will see a much improved product.
Tyreke wasn't a bad pick in 2009. I know they passed on Curry and all, but any time a guy averages 17, 5, and 5 over the course of his first 6 years, you can't really fault the GM who drafted him at #4.
Tyreke is pretty good NBA player. The problem is he has always played for teams that needed him to be great. That's just not who he is. I fear that New Orleans will employ the Cavs strategy the first go around with LeBron and will only surround AD with role players. To win in the NBA, you have to have three All-Star caliber players. Not three All-Stars, but three guys who are at least in the discussion. The second best player on that team is probably Eric Gordon, and he's far from elite.
Weird, I viewed Evans as the second best on that team. May not hurt for the Pelicans to tank, and get their hands on one of Skal Labissiere, Ben Simmons, or Jamal Murray. Davis can play center on that team. Let Labissiere or Simmons play PF, or if you draft Murray, you're getting a very talented PG.
Explains why New Orleans made the playoffs with him last year and suck this year when he's out
I go with Gordon over Reke because Gordon seems to be more consistent. When Tyreke is on, his is pretty good though.
I don't think New Orleans will be bad enough to get a top 10 pick. They will have to go out and spend some money on a proven commodity if they ever hope to win at a high level. I don't see it happening and hope AD finds a way to get traded to a contender soon. Same goes for Boogie.
You can't be serious. If John Calipari was the coach of the Kings and he could pick Mudiay or WCS who do you think he would of picked? Willie is a fine player and maybe he could develop into a NBA starter at some point in his career but he will never be an all star or close to it. Mudiay or Winslow could be superstars. You don't reach for need you take talent or trade down. That is the motto of any GM worth their salt. Who besides the Kings was taking him? Pacers at 11?
I think you misunderstood my point. I'm wasn't trying to say anything in particular about the skills or long-term prospects of players like Mudiay or Winslow, as much as those are the 'types' of picks that the Kings have made over the years despite having a gaping need of a rim protector to help DMC in the middle (and while DMC is great and has improved tremendously on the defensive end, he will NEVER be an elite rim protector. And Jason Thompson, while a solid player wasn't going to give them that either.)
They already had Tyreke Evans in 2009 before they drafted DMC in 2010. In 2011 they drafted Bismack Biyombo who potentially COULD have helped in this regard but he was traded on draft night for Jimmer Fredette! 2012 they drafted Thomas Robinson who never was a great defender. 2013 Ben McLemore and Ray McCallum. 2014 Nik Stauskas.
Granted they were trying to fill another need of a knock-down perimeter shooter but those are a lot easier to pick up on the free-agent market (which they did BTW, this year with Marco Belinelli) than a legitimate rim protector, which is what WCS is.
All I'm saying is that after 5 years of letting DMC go it alone under the basket, the Kings finally got him some help, which is why I think they made a great choice in WCS.
Also, it's interesting to me that you say WCS 'maybe could develop into a NBA starter at some point in his career'. I hope you do realize that WCS has ALREADY started 4 of the 7 Kings games and going forward likely will start more games this year than he doesn't. He may never be an all-star but he could certainly be all-defensive team and soon.
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the kings suck because after cousins they picked thomas robinson, ben mclemore, and nik stauskus.
Alas Chuck's run didn't last long as the Rockets have waived him. Hopefully there's a coaching offer in the near future.
Yeah be sure you look up THAT. just whatever you do, DON'T look up Chuck Hayes free throw shooting on Youtube.
Actually I think he'd be better served getting a job in the NBA. He has the contacts and has earned respect around the league already. Also there's a number of positions with a lot of upward mobility.
In comparison the college coaching game is a long drawn-out proposition which often starts at the very bottom.
What I mean by WCS could develop into a starter is that maybe he can develop into a starter on a good non lottery team and play starter minutes for them. As far as your view on the Kings and their liability inside with Cousins defensively I totally agree. But my point is that the Kings have a history of making really poor draft choices that make no sense. You want Willie, fine, trade down and acquire players or picks and take him 4-5 spots later. You want Nik Stakus? Fine, terrible pick, but trade down, and take him later. Even if you give them Tyreke which I think was a mistake over Curry, DeRozan, Brandon Jennings even at the time I'll give them that one. Next draft you do something smart and even though you just drafted a PF/C in the lottery 2 years earlier you don't reach for need you draft talent/Boogie, bravo. Then they take Biyombo over a plethora of more talented players at the time and people were saying what are the kings thinking. And so on every year there after.
I understand wanting to construct a perfect team. Look at the last teams to win the title. You have to go back 10-11 years to Ben Wallace and a younger Tim Duncan to find teams that won with a elite C/rim protector. Everyone else is just amassing the most talent and playing whatever style that is conducive too. Just like what Cal does here, grab the best talent you can get and figure it out.
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Im not going to knock WCS to build up a former player for Duke. WCS has a PER that is more than double that of Winslow(18.24 - 8.82). WCS has just entered the association and he's already out there at disrupting whatever player he's guarding. He's going to be in the NBA for a very long.
