USMNT/Soccer Thread
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There's already a rule in place for each MLS team to have an academy. There are somewhere around 100 academies in the US. Also it's been very successful - there are somewhere around 100 MLS players that came through the academies. All of the teams that are vying for MLS expansion teams are setting them up already, including Cincinnati.
Actually, this isn't true. They all have "academies" but most are "pay to play".
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...-eve-cincinnati-city-councils-vote/896553001/
Yeesh. Looks like FC Cincinnati is going to fumble away their chance at an expansion team this time around... how in the world did the city let this happen?
Yeesh. Looks like FC Cincinnati is going to fumble away their chance at an expansion team this time around... how in the world did the city let this happen?
I wouldn't call it a fumble. Why would any city finance a stadium when it has budget issues? Giving public money to a private entity is a bad idea. The lack of transparency from the owners group does not help. The only reason it's under consideration is the Lindners, one of the owners, give big bucks to politicos voting on this.
I'm surprised it got this far considering how bad the Baseball and football stadium deals are viewed in the city. I'd have to guess that Newport is the spot as was mentioned above. But will they have enough finished to be able to have that be their site? Isn't MLS voting next month?
Their bid will be fine and as good as Nashville and Sacramento's - it's just deciding if it's in Cincinnati or Newport.
Your original point that the MLS should require each team to have an academy. They already do. And now you're incorrect about this. This link is a couple of years old, but most are free http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...e-pay-to-play-within-their-academy-structure/
Actually, Cincinnati Council approved the Oakley plan 5-2 today. Another vote by the county on Wednesday and things will start looking up.
They are $20M short of what they asked for right now, but I think they will be able to find that.
Linders just need to look thru the socks drawer.
Pretty sure they're just getting this on paper for the MLS bid and are working behind the scenes to secure the west end/OTR location. Apparently there are ~90 properties they need to purchase to make that happen but a stadium in the urban core would be much better IMO. Sounds like Newport effectively is out.
I'd say that Cincinnati will miss out this time but will get one next time. Nashville already has the entire site they need and in control. The financing structure is also already approved. Sacramento is a shoe in as well. If I'm Cincinnati I might even consider stepping back and making sure you have a perfect deal for next time instead of rushing this through and potentially causing permanent damage.
One major thing that Cincy has that Nashville doesn't is a carzy supportive fan base. You know it works.
Nashville's USL team has yet to play a single game.
Nashville's USL team has yet to play a single game.
Honest question, did Nashville have a highly attended minor league hockey team prior to the predators?
I don't know, but were they competing against another city who had all of the same advantages plus a minor league team with record breaking fan support to get that hockey team?
Yes- they were up against some cities that probably had a lot more hockey-town feel, and I believe Atlanta was another city during that expansion- and at that time the city alone was kind of exploding.
I believe Nashville already had Bridgestone ready- assuming they were going to get an NBA team... the other cities were either building or willing to build hockey venues. All of the cities in that expansion discussion, I believe, eventually got a team. Nashville was just the first.
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If Cincinnati doesn't get in this time, they aren't getting in.
And their bid will be just as good as Nashville's. They aren't rushing into anything. The FCC owners know what they're doing and have been talking to the MLS about expansion for 2 years. Also, they've had an actual team. No offense, but you should leave the discussion about FCC to people that live here and follow this much more closely.
And none of that had anything to do with the question. I award you you no points and you owe me 3 shots next time I see you. wcc has moved back on top of the official Chad rankings.
The fact that Cincinnati has an existing USL team that has better attendance than the rest of the league put together (an incredible pre-existing fan base) is an advantage that other cities just don't have. Add in deep pocketed owners and you have your winner as long as the stadium issue (a major hurdle) gets worked out, which appears to be happening. If not, it will go to Nashville and I believe Detroit will be in line for the next round of expansion in the East.
A major twist would be Columbus moving to Austin. Sacramento appears to be a shoe-in now, but would the MLS take 2 East teams instead (Nash, Cincy)?
Well your question was stupid to begin with- as is the "established fan base" argument. Youre a Cincy homer- which is fine. Does Cincy have other established fan bases for its professional sports teams? How do their attendance numbers compare to the rest of their leagues? What happens when the new wears off, or ticket prices fluctuate?
Imo's > LaRosa's.
Pretty easy choice for St. Louis IMO.
Also, Louisville is making a name for itself on the pizza scene. So watch out for them in the future.
Pretty easy choice for St. Louis IMO.
Also, Louisville is making a name for itself on the pizza scene. So watch out for them in the future.
Clark, I'm sorry Alabama lost. I hope you cheer up soon.
You would think I would have some inside info of what was being relayed to FCC by MLS with me being in meetings with FCC staff all of the time or something... nope I'm just a Cincy homer.
St. Louis was sitting pretty until their own stadium plans fell through.
Louisville - We make decent NY and Chicago style pizza if you go to the right place on the right day. Helluva slogan.
You would think I would have some inside info of what was being relayed to FCC by MLS with me being in meetings with FCC staff all of the time or something... nope I'm just a Cincy homer.
St. Louis was sitting pretty until their own stadium plans fell through.
Louisville - We make decent NY and Chicago style pizza if you go to the right place on the right day. Helluva slogan.
I would think they'll pick 2 out of Sacramento, Nashville, and Cincinnati - all have great bids and probably deserve to get in. But a couple of things throw a wrench into this:
1 Columbus moving to Austin. Does this open up another spot in the east? Does KC move to the east?
2 The Miami MLS team which was originally supposed to start in 2018 then delayed, has been delayed again and it looks like their stadium deal is going to fall through. Does this open up another spot?
The 2 new teams they're apparently announcing in December were supposed to start in 2020 - do they move one of them up to 2019?
I think the MLS will delay their decision which will upset everyone. From their perspective, is there any harm in delaying until February or March?
1 Columbus moving to Austin. Does this open up another spot in the east? Does KC move to the east?
2 The Miami MLS team which was originally supposed to start in 2018 then delayed, has been delayed again and it looks like their stadium deal is going to fall through. Does this open up another spot?
The 2 new teams they're apparently announcing in December were supposed to start in 2020 - do they move one of them up to 2019?
I think the MLS will delay their decision which will upset everyone. From their perspective, is there any harm in delaying until February or March?
They are still in better shape than your buckeyes- so all is not lost.
Look man, i'm simply saying that while it is great of you to list all of the positives that Cincy would have in their bid, this whole "established fan base" is a bit of a reach. Theyve been established for what, 18 months? Is it far fetched to think a place like Nashville, a more thriving city, celebrity influence, a better auto sponsor, kindly, etc, wouldnt surpass that established fan base within the year? (No- it isnt)
But now as someone without a dog in the fight, I am rooting against Willy and Cincinnati- just as it seems the rest of the more civilized world has been for some time.
Now I know why your wife and her family hate you, you lowdown dirty sonuvabitch. 
We're out as FCC's jersey sponsor anyway. Mercy Health ponied up 5.5 Million.
All I am saying, is that IF Cincinnati finalizes the stadium deal people at MLS have told them it is their bid to lose. Also, MLS has given them their blessing to play at Nippert while a new stadium is being built.
The 4 official finalists for the 2 spots were announced today: Nashville, Detroit, Sacramento and Cincinnati. Detroit being in there worries me. They have Gilbert, the owner of the Cavs. I am positive they will get in the next go around if they don't this time.
We're out as FCC's jersey sponsor anyway. Mercy Health ponied up 5.5 Million.
All I am saying, is that IF Cincinnati finalizes the stadium deal people at MLS have told them it is their bid to lose. Also, MLS has given them their blessing to play at Nippert while a new stadium is being built.
The 4 official finalists for the 2 spots were announced today: Nashville, Detroit, Sacramento and Cincinnati. Detroit being in there worries me. They have Gilbert, the owner of the Cavs. I am positive they will get in the next go around if they don't this time.
The Newport/West End talk is leverage for the preferred Oakley site. Plus the Lindners didn't get billions by spending their own money and it sounds like a costly outcome in the West End. As if they had any real interest in building so close to housing projects in Newport or the West End in the first place.
The Bengals are 31st in attendance ahead of only the Chargers who play in a soccer stadium. Their stadium is a shithole that the owners refuse to spend a dime on due to their lease that requires the county pay for maintenance and improvements once a certain percentage of the league gets the same improvements.
The Reds were 26th in attendance but unlike the Bengals, they spend money to improve the stadium & fan experience and of course to profit. However, they probably offer a worse product on the field having started the rebuilding process 3 years ago. The economics of MLB are difficult with a market the size of Cincinnati and lack of revenue sharing that football has achieved.
The new Taft Road ramp is open and also gets you into Oakley thru Walnut Hills. I took it on Tuesday to go to a Xavier Game.
The 4 possible expansion teams presented to the MLS in NYC this week. 3 teams checked all the boxes (Cincinnati, Sacramento, Nashville) and Detroit was all-in on using Ford Field. Reporters from each city all think their city is getting in, from what I read. If I had to guess, I'd say Sacramento and Cincinnati get in. Cincinnati has proven they can support a team while Detroit and Nashville haven't yet.
The league will vote on the 14th and it will likely be announced on the 18th.
Also, Don Garber just had his "state of the MLS" ahead of tomorrow's match and mentioned that a team could potentially bump Miami and join the league in 2019 instead of 2020 when these teams are supposed to join. Apparently Miami's bid is a huge mess.
The league will vote on the 14th and it will likely be announced on the 18th.
Also, Don Garber just had his "state of the MLS" ahead of tomorrow's match and mentioned that a team could potentially bump Miami and join the league in 2019 instead of 2020 when these teams are supposed to join. Apparently Miami's bid is a huge mess.
Actually, the West End is near Over-the Rhine's bars/restaurants & is actually the preferred site. The government $$$ being offered up could be used there too. Newport's housing projects are (near?) completely torn down. AA Highway being extended thru Newport to end at that improbable stadium site & the bridge to Covington.
The west end may be the preferred site, but it's not what city council and the county commissioners just spent 2 weeks debating. It's not the location they just presented to the MLS.
I would be shocked if building near downtown is cheaper than the Oakley site. I've read nothing that says it's preferred to begin with. In Newport, the projects and section 8 Victoria Square are still there south of the 4th street bridge. As are plenty more in the West End areas bordering OTR between the expressway and Central Parkway.
The ownership and ownership groups that compose the MLS will base their choices for expansion based on the same model used in all major American sports...media rights and less franchise as market. They don't care a whit for attendance.
For the soccer lover the MLS model is antithetical to growth of the sport or the quality of the soccer itself.
For the soccer lover the MLS model is antithetical to growth of the sport or the quality of the soccer itself.
The ownership group may prefer the west end and I think most fans do, but it's much more complicated than the Oakley site, which is basically ready to go.
They'd have to tear down a brand new urban school which would be a pretty big problem politically along with razing numerous homes and placing a lot of low income residents. 100% chance it gets super political and controversial if they try to move down there.
They'd have to tear down a brand new urban school which would be a pretty big problem politically along with razing numerous homes and placing a lot of low income residents. 100% chance it gets super political and controversial if they try to move down there.
Taft HS? I didn't know that. There is a pretty decent sized property very near there that's vacant so they're desperate to stay away from the projects as I suspected.
