Or mistrial due to hung jury. By wed at the latest we ll know whether we have the first former president convicted of a felony. Your prediction???
"These people"
"They"
And then saying anyone who doesn't believe what I believe is naive.
I love social media lol.
I dunno, I'll say guilty and he'll pay a fine or whatever and both sides will still be equally angry at "they" and "those people."
...what, 15 years ago?
I take a different view on your last sentence. I tend to think if guilty verdicts start attaching themselves to Trump, people will not automatically jump to his side. Have his numbers occasionally improved a little during various "attacks"? Sure. But there's a continued talking point from the right that if Trump is found guilty in any court of law, then by god that helps him! How exactly and would you say this about any other person in America? We all need to realize people in general do not like these two old bastards and people aren't going to suddenly be hyped to vote one of them back in. If Hunter Biden is found guilty, voters won't suddenly jump to Biden's side and claim Hunter was a misguided victim of the swamp. So why does Trump get that same talking point? And the answer is not "because it's all a lie and the swamp and blah blah blah." The media didn't like Bush II yet he hasn't found himself in and out of courtrooms since his presidency ended. I don't know what this verdict will be but I do know if Trump is sitting at say, 40% right now in some poll, a guilty verdict is not going to drive that number north to say, 45%+.Guilty, but tossed in a fortnight.
All of it is for naught. It will more than likely drive up his poll numbers (as it should)
Alright. I mean, that's your opinion. You also predicted around the holidays in another thread that you feared it wouldn't be long before Americans would be outlawed from saying 'Merry Christmas.' Sometimes your takes are a little off. You also didn't really answer my question. How does a guilty verdict actually help Trump and would you say this about any other American? To me it's clearly a built-in excuse but there's no actual reasoning behind it. You can't just say "It'S nOt LeGiTiMaTe" point blank period and think I'm going to take that seriously. In your mind, the trial is bunk, Trump is innocent, he's going to be found guilty anyway, that verdict will get tossed, and his numbers will rise. That's one rosy picture you just painted.If it was a legitimate case, with actual evidence, I would agree with you. But, in this case it, you know, ISN'T.
I know you don't do any actual research into any opinion you have on here but.... Even CNN legal experts are commenting on how weak this case was.Alright. I mean, that's your opinion. You also predicted around the holidays in another thread that you feared it wouldn't be long before Americans would be outlawed from saying 'Merry Christmas.' Sometimes your takes are a little off. You also didn't really answer my question. How does a guilty verdict actually help Trump and would you say this about any other American? To me it's clearly a built-in excuse but there's no actual reasoning behind it. You can't just say "It'S nOt LeGiTiMaTe" point blank period and think I'm going to take that seriously. In your mind, the trial is bunk, Trump is innocent, he's going to be found guilty anyway, that verdict will get tossed, and his numbers will rise. That's one rosy picture you just painted.
I'm guessing like everyone else. Maybe he's found innocent. What I take issue with is creating a scenario where Trump is always the winner no matter what. If he's found innocent, he wins. If he's found guilty, guess what? He wins again! That...doesn't make sense and we don't use that line of thinking for any other American.The only question is: are the charges legitimate crimes, or political operations? I think it's very clearly the latter. But hey, I would love to hear your legal opinions on the matter. Enlighten me.
Otherwise, find someone else to obsess over. You're kind of creepy.
I'm pretty sure I remember his asking why Disney laying workers for 2 years in a row was bad, but Elon laying off workers immediately after taking over twitter was good... LOL I didn't even respond because of how absolutely moronic that question was. Like... what level of economic education did he get? LOL.All of that aside, I'm pretty sure Nightwish has printed off copies of my posts, going back years, pinned up on the wall of his den, with string running between them and photos, to try and "find the pattern" 😄😄😄😄
What an oddball...
Pushing back in good faith is fine but you just push back from a completely ignorant basis of any facts about an issue. I will bet you haven't followed this trial for 1 second.I'm guessing like everyone else. Maybe he's found innocent. What I take issue with is creating a scenario where Trump is always the winner no matter what. If he's found innocent, he wins. If he's found guilty, guess what? He wins again! That...doesn't make sense and we don't use that line of thinking for any other American.
As for your second point and an entire new post you just wrote, that's pretty weak and the trolling from the political thread is rubbing off on ya. If you can't handle a conversation where someone pushes back on something you said, just admit it. That seems to be a trend by a few of you. You don't want an actual back and forth about the subject so you go personal and troll, which is an odd reaction because I'm pretty sure you, like most here, are older than me. Figured trolling and ducking out of a conversation would be beneath someone middle aged.
LOL. No there isn't. The big problem with this case is that they are saying its a campaign contribution because he wanted to keep it out of the campaign... but he didn't need to disclose it until after the election. This case comes down to whether you believe Cohen on everything else. Several legal experts are arguing the Judge should bench rule innocent based on lack of evidence. The whole case is on a convicted felon with a vengeance pact against Trump.If anyone followed the case closely, there was a damning paper trail that led back to Trump's signatures before witnesses Stormy & Cohen, (I like this name as a law firm), were called to the stand.
As for conviction, there is enough evidence to get one, but it's a jury, so who knows?
You must not be watching coverage of the case. The “damning” paper trail you mention is not illegal. One they have not proved the payments were not for legal fees. Two, hush money payments are legal. Three, the very paper that was supposedly the bombshell for the paper trail was discovered to be evidence (along with his admission) that Michael cohen falsified the numbers to steal money from trump. What’s your evidence to get a conviction?If anyone followed the case closely, there was a damning paper trail that led back to Trump's signatures before witnesses Stormy & Cohen, (I like this name as a law firm), were called to the stand.
As for conviction, there is enough evidence to get one, but it's a jury, so who knows?
Yes, if judge was legitimate, he would agree with CNN that has repeatedly said there is no evidence and even they are confused about case being brought. Then judge would rule innocent to protect jury and not put them in a bad spot to decide the case.LOL. No there isn't. The big problem with this case is that they are saying its a campaign contribution because he wanted to keep it out of the campaign... but he didn't need to disclose it until after the election. This case comes down to whether you believe Cohen on everything else. Several legal experts are arguing the Judge should bench rule innocent based on lack of evidence. The whole case is on a convicted felon with a vengeance pact against Trump.
Cohen admitted to stealing $60K from Trump and wasn't dragged out in handcuffs.... Think about that.
This right here is the problem. As it stands right now, he is innocent. Anyone with an ounce of respect for the justice system would agree. Isn’t the whole concept, “innocent until proven guilty”? President Trump should never be “found innocent”.I'm guessing like everyone else. Maybe he's found innocent. What I take issue with is creating a scenario where Trump is always the winner no matter what. If he's found innocent, he wins. If he's found guilty, guess what? He wins again! That...doesn't make sense and we don't use that line of thinking for any other American.
As for your second point and an entire new post you just wrote, that's pretty weak and the trolling from the political thread is rubbing off on ya. If you can't handle a conversation where someone pushes back on something you said, just admit it. That seems to be a trend by a few of you. You don't want an actual back and forth about the subject so you go personal and troll, which is an odd reaction because I'm pretty sure you, like most here, are older than me. Figured trolling and ducking out of a conversation would be beneath someone middle aged.
Correct. I meant to say not guilty. Odd that you consider a single phrase in a post such a problem and you wanted to highlight that...but you've stayed away from other opinions here, such as the judge being a POS and other hysterical partisan takes. You can tell from this one thread that others see me as the problem lol. I was even called out in multiple trolling posts in the political thread when I hadn't even posted. Some choose to log in, pick out a person, and fight fight fight. For a handful, they've picked me. It's why I've had to put some on ignore.This right here is the problem. As it stands right now, he is innocent. Anyone with an ounce of respect for the justice system would agree. Isn’t the whole concept, “innocent until proven guilty”? President Trump should never be “found innocent”.
From day one, he urged folks here not to take the shot and lied about millions dying from it. Wayne started the thread for people who had taken it or were planning to take it. Let's stop pretending he didn't have an agenda. Posters called him out and repeatedly said alright, you're not taking it, cool. But stop trolling and saying shit like millions have already died from it when the rollout was just beginning.Accusing Bill of “scare tactics” about Covid….lol the entire *thing* was a scare tactic.
Good grief man.
I don't see any of that in the political thread. I just see Liberal stupidity exposed.@Nightwish84 appreciate the efforts but you're fighting a no-win battle. This is a message board full of white, straight, Christian, mostly 50+ year old men from Kentucky. This message board is basically their last bastion for a safe space where they can drop the f word homosexual slur, the r word, talk about African Americans as "thugs" and "them," and openly despise and think less of trans people and do it with somewhat relative anonymity. And they literally believe a guy who died over 2,000 years ago is going to come back to Earth, smite all the non-believers, and whisk them away any day now (or will it be another 1,000 years, no one knows!!), so why worry about the future of the planet? They haven't changed an opinion on any political issue in decades. Good f'n luck trying to change their minds about anything lol.