This one graphic shows how Cal has grossly underachieved!
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Exactly we are nothing but an NBA g league and all that matters is draft. You don’t win with this NBA first attitude. You have to keep kids in the program and develop them and chemistry. For Cal this is success. For UK basketball it isn’t.
You would think that Calipari would be embarrassed by this. I believe the guy is immune from shame
Oh how I wish we could let Cal continue to recruit, but get the hannibal lecter lockdown on the sideline. C’mon Welch!
And it could very easily be more.
Fox got screwed and ABSOLUTELY would’ve been selected if he played in the East. Murray probably would’ve too. And we have several other guys who are knocking on the near “borderline” all star door.
It's incredibly embarrassing. And the kicker is, he takes so much pride in his NBA 'accomplishments' and all he's really doing his highlighting his own underachieving in what he's actually paid to do. "Look at how bad I've been at my job."
If they were here 3-4 years I would agree.
I don’t disagree but I would caveat it. Cal has these guys for about 10 months at the very beginning of their careers in big time basketball. If it were the old days where players stuck around 3-4 years and he wasn’t winning championships then this would be a major embarrassment. As it is, most of these guys start becoming stars in their second or third year in the league, about the same time they would be juniors or seniors at UK.
He isn't paid to coach G League or promote NBAers (especially, as you say, he only had them first a couple months. He's paid to win games and give Kentucky the best possible chance at hanging banners. He can't have it both ways. Needs to focus on what he's paid to do.
This. I don't agree with the underachieving narrative. Cal sucks but those guys were 18 year old freshmen when they played here
Yeah, the state of the program and the years of underachieving are 100% on Cal, but this criticism is pretty bs. "It doesn't matter how much talent you have, you can't win with a bunch of inexperienced freshmen" morphed into "look at all that talent, how didn't he win more?" Unfortunately, he hasn't done well with more experienced players and he hasn't gotten elite results out of talented freshmen lately. So it's more an overall indictment of his coaching and team building, but it's not at all valid to look at guys and say "look at how good all these 24, 27, 30 year old players are, how didn't you win when you had them as a scrawny 18 year old who'd only played other kids in AAU before their 5 months in college ball?"
I think Cal has underachieved regardless of how many NBA All-stars there are. Plenty of guys get to the leage and improve - vastly improve - since their college days, so the number of All-Stars doesn't really matter to me. But lack of post-season success DOES matter and does raise alarming flags for underachievement.
People want to pretend that individual talent will go out and win you games. It can, and sometimes it will, but you need TEAMS to go out and have sustained success. So pointing to All-stars as some kind of hard evidence doesn't really solidify any kind of argument. It's more his inability recently to mold teams together for sustained success.
People want to pretend that individual talent will go out and win you games. It can, and sometimes it will, but you need TEAMS to go out and have sustained success. So pointing to All-stars as some kind of hard evidence doesn't really solidify any kind of argument. It's more his inability recently to mold teams together for sustained success.
You answered a different question than the one posed. The question was should he be embarrassed by having all those NBA all stars but has won more at Uk. My answer still stands - Nope. He had them when not developed into men yet. Talented but not yet mature. A 25 year old Devin Booker is much different than 18 year old Devin Booker.
You want to talk about what his job is or isn’t which is a different question.
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I Think Cal should be getting paid by the NBA and not the Kentucky Taxpayers he does more for the NBA than he does for UK.
If we had a good AD he would send Cal packing to some other school and get us a normal coach who only wants to win games and run a good basketball team. It's not Cal's fault that we have let him use UK to make NBA players.
I believe He gets kickbacks from players and agencies like Klutch.
The man puts money above everything.
it doesn’t bother him one bit to basically steal 9 mil per year from UK!
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