The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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US eyes weapons stockpiles as concern grows about supporting both Ukraine and Israel’s wars
Concern is growing within the Pentagon over the potential need to stretch its increasingly scarce ammunition stockpiles to support Ukraine and Israel in two separate wars, according to multiple US defense officials.
I can't tell if this is Ukraine, Israel, or somewhere else. It's out there in a vacuum (not me).
Certainly, the Hamas attack on Israel was horrible, but it isn't even close to what Russia has unleashed on Ukraine. Hamas committed a single horrific act of terror, while Russia has brought war and devastation to an entire country for over a year. To compare the two is absurd. Hamas isn't more 'vicious' or 'sinister'. What Hamas did in one day has been repeated multiple times across Ukraine on a much bigger scale.
Russia has created a refugee crisis that numbers in the millions, killed thousands of civilians and leveled multiple cities, and this is just the normal actions of war. They will be sorting through the war crimes aspect of this war for years. There is already significant evidence of rape, torture and executions. Russia has openly admitted to child abductions that will most likely mean these children will never see their families again.
I can understand the Pro-Ukranian or the anti-interventionist arguments when it comes to this War. What I will never understand is the pro-Russia arguments. They always fall apart immediately. Ukraine was not going to become part of Nato. We have seen how difficult it was for Sweeden and Norway to join and they were both welcomed and on the "fast track" for membership. Russia started a war of aggression because they want/need the resources that Ukraine provides. That is the sum total of it. Nato has a process for bringing in new members and there was no effort to make Ukraine happen, and even if there was, it could have easily been blocked by Hungary, Turkey or Germany who all had political/business interests to side with Russia.
Whether the US should be involved in Ukraine is certainly debatable, but let's not sugar coat the fact that Russia started this war, and that the Ukranian people have suffered, and continue to suffer, significantly as a result of it.
This is a strawman. The entire premise of my post was holding accountable all the hypocrites who demand intervention in one instance yet demand no intervention in the other.
Your post focus around Russia man bad. That's irrelevant to my premise and not something anyone really debates.
Respectfully, this is a false dichotomy and presupposes that those supporting assisting Ukraine believe thay the U.S. should be intervene in everything, everywhere. Sure, let's get involved in a land war in the Middle East/Asia again, it worked out so well the last two times. 🙄
It isn't. This post and all the other social media messages all implored us to get involved at all cost because Putin was evil and something something about Ukraine's impact on our economy with fertilizer.
Hamas is evil and oil in the region will impact our economy.
It's literally the exact same equation. Predicably the same bunch fall on different sides because that's what they're told.
Well, I guess if you're that hard-headed, refuse to recognize nuance, and fail to see the differences regarding completely different situations, then there's no point in discussing this further with you.
Absolutely an absurd post. Can you show us a post in this thread that clearly displays someone said to “get involved at all cost” and go further than weapons aid? Answer: You can’t.
It's amazing the lengths people will go to defend the position they're told to take by msm. If you can't agree hamas is evil and the war in the middle east will impact oil, then it's just an attempt to dissociate to avoid confronting your own hypocrisy.
I advocate no intervention in either. But there cannot be any logical argument for intervention in Ukraine and not in Israel
Lol oh I agree it's absurd. Unfortunately more than one member of Congress said that and their actions along with the president enforce that notion. Posters here cheer that view on as well
Norway co-founded NATO, I believe. Sweden and Findland just joined, but it was not as if they had been trying for years to get into NATO. Ukraine and NATO were on a path. Not a fast track, and for good reason.
Swedes historically did not favor joining NATO, so it’s not as if Sweden has been attempting since the 50s to get into NATO. Sweden applied on May 18, 2022.
Some will label the Ukraine geocide statements you make as fake news. I've seen them do it. Really sad.
But thanks for the sanity.
Berdyansk airbase and a number of KA-52 and MI-28 choppers destroyed by ATACMS long-range missiles. With these now entering the war theater, the occupiers are about to see some real pain.
Good sign. Really wish the admin hadn't dragged their feet on providing them.
OUr media, politicians and thinktanks, are no less the propaganda, moreso even. If we hadn't just lived through the complete chitshow that was Covid and the Trump years, I wouldn't have evern believed we could get here in America.
The mass psychosis that is the warlust is no less the delusion that Covid hysteria or TDS was. I genuinely thought we were "better" than this. We are not.
The mass psychosis that is the warlust is no less the delusion that Covid hysteria or TDS was. I genuinely thought we were "better" than this. We are not.
Guy with anti-soviet sig cheers on russian imperialism. More at 12.
Scrolling through Twitter, and saw the attack was a big failure and the damage to helicopters would easily be patched. Didn’t think much of it because I assume everything regarding Ukraine and Russia is propaganda from one side or the other. Obviously see the other pro Ukraine version here.
All that to say, thankfully we are at least getting video immediately following events from Israel/Gaza and right now and aren’t just relying on propaganda from both sides like is seemingly happening with Ukraine at this point.
The Russians themselves confirmed the following losses:
Berdyansk: 3 reconnaissance and attack helicopters of the Ka-52 Alligator type were destroyed, 5 multi-purpose helicopters of the Mi-8 type were destroyed.
Luhansk: 1 reconnaissance and attack helicopter of the Ka-52 Alligator type was destroyed, 1 multi-purpose helicopter of the Mi-8 type was destroyed.
They also lost two ammo depots and a Pantsir air defense system w/ its crew.
All the links you've posted are propagandized narratives telling you what already wanted to believe is true.
You literally believed Bandera was just a nationalist hero; that is no less willfully ignorant and ridiculous than claiming al-Baghdadi was simply an austere religious scholar.
You've posted a classic conspiracy theorist statement. No matter what I say or link, you know better and my sources are effectively in on it.
Amazingly, you're the guy who literally post known propagandists along with any Joe Bubba on Twitter. You really are amazing.
It's not a conspiracy theorist statement. His history is whitewashed by Ukraininan propagandists: you naively believe whatever you google.
ANyone can figure it out on their own for themselves. It's not debatable. He was directly responsible for the genocide of Jews, Poles and others. Ukrainians today proudly proclaim him, a racist nationalist ideologue as terrible as the rest of them in Europe during the time, their Father, the land their Mother. It's disgusting. No other European nation does such a thing.
I'll post all sorts of things from persons whom I might disagree with on various things... but that doesn't rpeclude them from being right.
Russia only had 30 ka-52 helicopters (their most advanced and modern attack helicopter) from a pre-war total of about 100. Supposedly the atacm strike took out 3. Not looking good for the Russian Airforce.
Or wrong. I'm willing to bet i spend lots more time researching before I post a link than you do. What I said before is Bandera is complicated. The Russians hated him and Hitlers Germany hated him. Poland did as well. Lots of evil was done in his name but if I remember correctly, he was imprisoned during much of the worst things that were done.
Or navy or infantry for that matter. There will come a time when Putin runs out of disposable men.
It doesn't matter if he was imprisoned during some of the atrocities when the explicit goal of his movement was the establishment of an ethnically pure Ukraine via ethnic cleansing with him as the authoritarian over it.
There's absolutely nothing commendable about him. It's not complicated; there's no nuance there. He's exactly the same POS as so many other ethnofascist europeans of the period. His veneration as a national hero is unacceptable, full stop, with my broader point being this ignorant whitewashing is how we get here: where everything you don't like is propaganda and we find ourselves literally cheering nazi soldiers in our parliamentary houses while useful idiot clamor "who'da thunk it!"
Since SDC's oddball twitter babblers haven't signed off on it, it is automatically propaganda. Once they speak, we'll know the real truth.
