As you've been shown before, Panchenko is a pro Russian propagandist. I guess she's one of your sources that makes you far more informed than the rest of us.
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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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The Ukraine war is complex. Russia is at fault, and denying this is ridiculous. This does NOT mean NATO is also not at fault, and it does not mean one cannot criticize the West for not doing enough to END the war. Voters, the media, and lawmakers, need to take steps in DE-ESCALATING this war rather than criticizing those who do so. I don’t want to sound alarming, but if this war gets out of control, the world is at risk of more destruction than both World Wars combined. Although slim, this is the closest we've been to such a position since the Cold War. Russia is known to bluff, and people like to compare this to the ‘Boy That Cried Wolf’. What those people forget is that eventually, the boy cried wolf and the wolf was actually there, killing the boy. This is a risk the world CANNOT AFFORD.
Welp looks like Biden’s $6 billion to Iran has gotten them a new war to use to funnel money to the MIC now that controls have been put on the Ukrainian laundry room.
Congrats to all the Warhawks here.
Congrats to all the Warhawks here.
The defense of spending by commenting there is greater spending in other areas is like a a person explaining why they should not save money by cooking their own meals because their mortgage is the greatest part of their monthly budget. The do nothing until you do everything approach is not working.
It appears that everyone who disagrees is a pro-Putin/pro-Russian propagandist.
Nope but she is. Perhaps you should read up on it a bit. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/0...ors-russia-war-espionage-occupation-security/
I will read your link, but maybe you should counter with facts rather than ad hominem conclusions.
EDIT: reading that, I am reminded of Biden’s comment that a little invasion might not draw a response from the U.S. I wonder if that comment and the failure of pre-war negotiations led to the deaths of a lot of Ukrainians.
It is that or don't "understand" foreign policy.
We were instrumentally involved at every step of the way in instigating this civil war to further our geopolitical goals, profit the MIC.
Which is/was poor strategy.
But it's a "cheap" one. No one really cares about the probable upwards of half-million Ukrainian dead in this unnecessary conflict, which only ends one of two ways: 1) we stop funding it, 2) we intervene militarily.
Since you posted that here, it must all be Ukraine's fault.
So we could do enough to end it by supplying Ukraine with enough weapons to drive Russia out. Thanks for agreeing with me. I mean that's only one of the two ways to end it, the other being to let Russia overrun U as Putin is all-in for the long haul of wearing out the West.
Yet opponents of spending for Ukraine over & over use examples of where the money could alternatively be used - such as building a border wall.
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False number by a long shot. But don't let that get in the way of confirmation biases. What nonsense.
Juncker: Ukraine is totally corrupt
Former European Commission chief bashes Kyiv’s EU candidacy.
www.politico.eu
Yes, but that's not agreement, just your logical incompetence showing... yet again.
It's a foregone conclusion for you that we can just give them enough weapons and they'll surely win. At best, it's a Hail Mary.
What is actually going to happen through this myopic ignorance is we are going to just exhaust the battlefield through death. The Ukrainian people and nation will be completely decimated due to their, and our, leadership's complete incompetence and corruption.
No, it isn't. Why would your pro-war ForeignAffairs articles or your Youtube videos tell you the truth?
Sad. You throw out a bogus number with no source & then claim anything else is bogus. Same ole from you over & over.
Poor analogy. But I’m sure you’ve already made up your mind that Ukraine aid has vastly contributed to our debt.
Just another unbelievable f—k up from this President. The cabal that runs this old fool wants you to think they have a plan in Ukraine when their handling of Afghanistan and Iran have been gold-plated disasters.
And people here in this thread fall right in line. The blind leading the blind.
Vastly or minimally, it doesn’t matter.
Sane people stop digging when they’re in hole they can’t climb out of.
Sane people put their house in order before worrying about the neighbor.
Spewing that line you need to be specific - words written here & names - or it's your usual bs.
It's not knowable, only estimable, but they were giving us "official" 500k casualty numbers in the spring, with some 200k of those dead.
When this is over and someone independent goes to get an accurate number, it's going to be shockingly large: lives lost or otherwise ruined for nothing. That's what's genuinely sad. Wait and see.
Yeah, I dont know. I think Putin was doing this regardless but we'll never know. What ad hominem conclusion?
This will escalate up to the world being absolutely terrified that it will go nuclear. And a lot of you douche bags have been brainwashed into thinking that’s a good thing.
Liars gonna lie. Cheaters gonna cheat. Motivations yesterday are relevant to actions today.
It’s a poor analogy because you say so? Spending billions is contributing to our debt. Period. Prove me wrong.
Yeah, Juncker huh? He hates Trump but loves Putin. https://amp.france24.com/en/20180320-eus-juncker-under-fire-nauseating-putin-letterJuncker: Ukraine is totally corrupt
Former European Commission chief bashes Kyiv’s EU candidacy.
Time to funnel billions and billions to Israel and intervene in their fight against hamas and Iran.
I don't agree with that position but thems the rules I repeatedly saw here in this thread. Surely none of the pro Ukraine people will oppose that..... right?
Ah, so here's my reasoning.
1. Believes his knowledge superior to anyone else.
2. He constantly makes posts that are unsupported and/or supported by very dubious sources.
3. The issue with Panchenko has already been shown to him with myriad sources and samples.
4. His abject arrogance doesn't allow him to even consider the fact he may be very wrong.
5. These issues and more leave no option other than to see him as a clown.
Perhaps the next time he infers how stupid and uninformed we all are you'll see him for what he is, a clown.
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I don’t care about your claimed reasoning. It’s an ad hominem argument.
It was an ad hominem that followed an ad hominem. You dismissed his source by merely calling her a Russian propagandist and then sealed the deal with name calling. I am sure you are a good smart dude, but that was useless.
