It depends on how long Ukraine wants to fight and how many sacrifices they are willing to make. Sure hope so.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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So tell me if this is wrong: the government of Canada proved with a standing ovation that Ukrainian nationalism has ties to Nazism. The thing that Putin was saying, that many here denied?
Don’t get me wrong. American nationalism has ties to some bad stuff. All nationalism does (although it is still a far superior ism than Marxism).
But at what point will journalism do it’s damn job instead of being hacks for this regime in DC?
Don’t get me wrong. American nationalism has ties to some bad stuff. All nationalism does (although it is still a far superior ism than Marxism).
But at what point will journalism do it’s damn job instead of being hacks for this regime in DC?
Yeah, Canada looked like idiots.
I mean, I assume they were honoring him for his military service. They didn’t think to actually look it up? Lol
Shouldn't even need looked up. Should know anyone fighting the Russians in that time period didn't deserve applause and certainly not the celebrity status. The whole thing is bizarre
It’s like they just plucked any old Ukrainian off the streets lol.
It’s not up to me, it’s up to Ukraine. You like to ask ?s and critique our posts, what’s your position?
Two more strategic towns in the south about to be taken back.
Them saying him ''fighting against Russian invaders in ww2 for Ukrainian independence'' or whatever is bizarre. That man is not to be celebrated. And the fact that my great-grandfather almost died to waffen SS artillery at the battle of the bulge makes it worse. But, that's Canada.
“That’s Canada”. And Ukraine. It was Zelensky’s propaganda tour.
And if Zelensky doesn’t know Ukraine’s history, what the hell are they even fighting about.
I think people who favor war in any circumstance should be able to answer questions. That seems like a reasonable take. It should not be too onerous to evince the decision for more war.
I have stated my position. This war is unsustainable without escalation. Mitch McConnell’s perspective that it is worth it because it degrades Russia is immoral, in my opinion. Ukrainians and Russians dying so Mitch can appease his fear of Russia is not a reason to place peace off the table. And, that is not to say Russia is trustworthy. Of course not.
We don’t hear our leaders talk about achieving peace. The cost of the war in lives and resources is unsustainable. It just is. And, as I said months ago, support will wane. I have never seen a pathway to winning for Ukraine, yet posters here claimed it could be. Where is it?
Peace is less achievable today because of our policy. More people have died because of our policy. Those people, not us. The cost of peace has increased dramatically because of our approach. We did very little, IMO, to dissuade Russia before it attacked. Maybe that was the McConnell plan.
Posters here boasted about Russia’s ineptness and then with the same mouth told us the war must go on because of fear Russia would not stop at Ukraine. Huh???
Support will continue to wane without some dramatic event, because more and more people will wonder (1) what is our real interest and (2) what is a realistic end-game? Especially if our economy tanks even more than it has. Let’s pray there is no dramatic event.
Posters have assumed that a peace strategy exists, but that our leaders just are not talking about it. I hope that is true. For the young people in Ukraine and in Russia. Applauding war around the world that requires others to die for an unattainable goal is ugly, IMO.
Do I get satisfaction that Russia is in a quagmire of its own making? Sure. The side of me that avoids thinking about people being blown apart and dying for the sake of war is tempted to enjoy that fact. But, when I see death and people applauding death, it sobers me quickly.
Did Zelensky parade that man before the Canadian parliament? If so, that is a real problem.
That is an old man. I have no idea who he was then or who he is now. BUT, praising him for his past as an enemy to Canada in a war where so many died because of Nazi evil makes ZERO sense.
Regardless of what we thought about Russia then or now, we wanted that old man to lose THEN and should still stand and clap because he lost. Creating a fictional link between then and now is nothing short of weird.
Maybe one of our historians can explain what Canada is thinking. Anyone?
That was Poet but here ya go, now prove it.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
Something is about to happen, and I wonder how, if any, it goes different than when Russia took Crimea. Putin labeled two regions within Ukraine as independent regions today. (there had been a russian separatist movement in each of these regions for years now) And now he is sending in a...
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It was a central tenet of the pro-war thesis that if we don't stop Putin at Ukraine, it would be the first domino in an eventual reconstruction of the USSR and an attempt to take over Europe.
Putin (Putler) was the new Hitler, and must be stopped no matter the cost, lest we relive the lessons of pre-WWII appeasement.
You can't as easily revisionist history that as you did other aspects of your argument. We were just there;l it just happened. No, we are exactly where I said we would be, needlessly wasting lives for profit over an otherwise meaningless sliver of disputed European land.
Putin (Putler) was the new Hitler, and must be stopped no matter the cost, lest we relive the lessons of pre-WWII appeasement.
You can't as easily revisionist history that as you did other aspects of your argument. We were just there;l it just happened. No, we are exactly where I said we would be, needlessly wasting lives for profit over an otherwise meaningless sliver of disputed European land.
Russian Black Sea commander Sokolov shown on video call after Ukraine said it killed him
MOSCOW, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Admiral Viktor Sokolov, the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, was shown on Russian state television on Tuesday attending a defence leaders' meeting remotely, a day after Ukrainian special forces said they had killed him.
In video and photographs released by the defence ministry, Sokolov was shown as one of several fleet commanders on video apparently joining an in-person meeting of Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and other army chiefs, although not speaking. It was not clear when the video was filmed.
Ukraine's special forces said on Monday that Sokolov had been killed along with 33 other officers in a missile attack last week on the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet in the port of Sevastopol in Crimea, seized from Ukraine in 2014.
In response to the Russian video, the Ukraine special forces said on Telegram: "Since the Russians were urgently forced to publish a response with Sokolov allegedly alive, our units are clarifying the information."
Russian Black Sea commander Sokolov shown on video call after Ukraine said it killed him
Russia simply needs to leave, as in reverse their effort to conquer a sovereign nation, and the dying will be over for both sides.
That is correct, is it not?
I wonder why Russia is trying so hard to convince the world Sokolov is still alive. That in itself gives me pause.
It's hard to believe you're serious. How about that proof of me saying Russia was going to attack a NATO member.
Yeah, I’m serious. Your pro-war peeps cheered an old Nazi. It was all over the interweb.
But don’t worry. I’m sure YOU never said there were Nazis in Ukraine, so you’ve still got the high ground, right?
There are some Nazis fighting for Ukraine. There are some Nazis fighting for Russia. One was a Wagner leader. There’s likely dozens of neo-Nazis in the U.S. armed forces. Now can we put this stupid argument/debate to rest?
No because SCD thinks he's found a gotcha. What you said is accurate.
They aren't my peeps but if you think they were intentionally honoring a Nazi, you've lost it.
Now, I gave you a link to the original thread. When are you going to back your mouth up? Its ok if you can't, everyone but wildcat, Bill and scd know you're lying.
Even Karina Gould gave a standing ovation. The thing is, she's the granddaughter of holocaust survivors. She didn't know who the guy was. None of them did. Turn your brain on.
lol
Doesn’t really help your argument for unconditional support of Ukraine when those in favor of continuing blank check support with no checks and balances don’t even know enough to know they’re standing and cheering for a Nazi.
And even if you excuse everyone else for being completely ignorant of Ukrainian history, how do you excuse Zelensky?
And, if the president of Ukraine doesn’t know shit about Ukrainian history, why is it so important for the US to protect its current borders?
Not your peeps? They are. You’ve all cheered this disastrous war from day one. Own it.
Not intentionally? That’s pathetic. It’s been made clear from the start that there are deep Nazi ties regarding Ukraine’s history with Russia. Knock yourself out pretending otherwise. (As you call somebody else a liar. That’s rich.)
Lastly: I couldn’t care less whether you said it specifically. If you think that’s a lie, that’s your problem. Maybe that helps you save face in knowing that everything you believed about this mess was wrong. Pissing away 150 billion while being invaded at home is absolutely unforgivable. It’s time to admit it.
Just underscores that none of them knew anything about it except trendy Ukrainian flags and muh Russia.
But, that's on her not everyone else. Why would other people, that didn't celebrate a Nazi, need to turn their brains on?
Right now the US is being invaded at its southern border, and politicians in Washington are tripping over their own dicks to quickly send as much money to Ukraine as possible. There’s embarrassing misstep after misstep on the world stage - US government commuting an act of ecoterrorism, Ukraine bombing Poland and blaming Russia, Zelensky cheering for Nazis, etc. The IS is draining stockpiles of weapons and piling more debt on future generations.
How can anyone view this as a deterrent to China ultimately taking the Taiwanese chip industry and not just emboldening them?
How can anyone view this as a deterrent to China ultimately taking the Taiwanese chip industry and not just emboldening them?
Did they slip on a rug causing their hands to slap together repeatedly as they fell?
Of all the insane social programming with this conflict, the craziest is definitely convincing a segment of people it was actually a good thing to provide a state celebration for an actual Nazi.
They're not great, but improving.:
Ukraine Takes On Corruption: Amid public outrage at home and criticism from the West, leaders in Kyiv are getting serious.
"In 2022 Ukraine ranked 116th among 180 countries in Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index, up from 144th in 2013. “The progress with fighting corruption compared to what we had in 2014—it’s like a miracle,” says Daria Kaleniuk, a co-founder and director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center, a Ukrainian nonprofit that receives some of its funding from the U.S. government. Ten years ago, Ukraine functioned “like a mafia state.”US is 24th.
Opinion | Ukraine Takes On Corruption
Amid public outrage at home and criticism from the West, leaders in Kyiv are getting serious.
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Seems like for every problem the US has, people here want to connect it to spending in Ukraine when each are independent issues. I.e., Ukraine is their go to punching bag. I guess it's an attempt to relieve burrs up their a$$.
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You missed the entire point. The question is if they honored him knowing who he was. To think they knew and still honored him is ludicrous which is why I gave the example of the Jewish representative. I know you're smarter than this.
That entire post is like you only pay attention to buzz words from the far right.
