The NCAA speaks out of both sides of their mouth
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This is at least the third time this week we've seen this double-talk from the NCAA
It says one thing on the NCAA webpages about their role
It says another when their lawyers get up in court and have to defend their idiocy to a judge and jury
Perception v reality
The NCAA is a sick joke and needs to go away somewhere and quietly die
It says one thing on the NCAA webpages about their role
It says another when their lawyers get up in court and have to defend their idiocy to a judge and jury
Perception v reality
The NCAA is a sick joke and needs to go away somewhere and quietly die
12 schools in Atlanta just got hammered with racketeering convictions for cheating way beyond what UNC was up to. I wonder what's taking the Feds so long to get around to UNC:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/us/atlanta-schools-cheating-scandal/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/us/atlanta-schools-cheating-scandal/index.html
This is what happens when you have a monopoly. They eventually become so large and powerful, they don't feel any connection or obligation to even their own rules, purpose, roots...let alone common law and common sense.
It's not like colleges can shop around for a better Athletic Association.
The NCAA want's the money, the power, the control, the boasting.....but none of the responsibility.
I lost all faith in the NCAA, first with the bizarre Derrick Rose ruling (he's cleared...oh wait, we f'd up so it's your fault) and then with the equally absurd Enes Kanter decision.
Imagine....If you sued your city over a zoning issue and a judge ruled in your favor for building a home and then later ordered you to bulldoze the house over and pay 1 million to the city because he screwed up....that's the Derrick Rose case.
Thank god our legal system isn't run like the NCAA. Nobody could ever depend on a court decision...every court ruling would be "temporary". Thank god our legal system follows the centuries old doctrine of res judicata (Res judicata pro veritate accipitur - A thing adjudged must be taken for truth).
Rose was cleared (judged) and if the NCAA cannot stand by it's own decisions....it should get out of the deciding process.
I hope the lose their homesick asses in the lawsuit. The NCAA is a co-conspirator in the UNC case.
It's not like colleges can shop around for a better Athletic Association.
The NCAA want's the money, the power, the control, the boasting.....but none of the responsibility.
I lost all faith in the NCAA, first with the bizarre Derrick Rose ruling (he's cleared...oh wait, we f'd up so it's your fault) and then with the equally absurd Enes Kanter decision.
Imagine....If you sued your city over a zoning issue and a judge ruled in your favor for building a home and then later ordered you to bulldoze the house over and pay 1 million to the city because he screwed up....that's the Derrick Rose case.
Thank god our legal system isn't run like the NCAA. Nobody could ever depend on a court decision...every court ruling would be "temporary". Thank god our legal system follows the centuries old doctrine of res judicata (Res judicata pro veritate accipitur - A thing adjudged must be taken for truth).
Rose was cleared (judged) and if the NCAA cannot stand by it's own decisions....it should get out of the deciding process.
I hope the lose their homesick asses in the lawsuit. The NCAA is a co-conspirator in the UNC case.
Good post, you seem to have a legal background Barry. So what can the Universities like UK and the other blue bloods do? Is there anything that will get the attention of the NCAA and put enough pressure on them to straighten up their act?
I'm not a lawyer...just had plenty of battles, learned a lot researching. I've won several battles and never gone to court (against local govt). Just letting them know that you understand your rights under law is 70% of the fight.
It's going to take losses like the one the NCAA is facing over the UNC scandel for the NCAA to get their shit together.
The problem is the cost of litigation. The Universities have the loot but are under jurisdiction of the NCAA so for them it's an issue of not taking a dump on the bosses desk. The players don't have the money to fight an NCAA legal team.
It's like being bullied by the zoning dept...they know their denial of a zoning certificate is unconstitutional but they also know that you'll lose in the BZA, lose in common plea's court and have to get to appeals court to win. That's 2 years and $40k for you to be able to build a $2k shed. People just surrender to the logic of the mathematics.
Pricks at the NCAA play this same cost/benefit gamble when screwing people.
I think UNC is very very guilty of Academic fraud. I do agree had a student athlete that really wanted a good education at UNC could have gotten it.
Reminds me of the White House's stance on O'Care...first it was not a tax when they sold it to the pee-pul...then it was a tax in the Supreme Court argument.
Obviously you have to learn from how the government conducts its business.
barryn2000 posted on 4/2/2015...
This is what happens when you have a
monopoly. They eventually become so large and powerful, they don't feel
any connection or obligation to even their own rules, purpose,
roots...let alone common law and common sense.
It's not like colleges can shop around for a better Athletic Association.
The NCAA want's the money, the power, the control, the boasting.....but none of the responsibility.
I
lost all faith in the NCAA, first with the bizarre Derrick Rose ruling
(he's cleared...oh wait, we f'd up so it's your fault) and then with the
equally absurd Enes Kanter decision.
Imagine....If you sued
your city over a zoning issue and a judge ruled in your favor for
building a home and then later ordered you to bulldoze the house over
and pay 1 million to the city because he screwed up....that's the
Derrick Rose case.
Thank god our legal system isn't run like the
NCAA. Nobody could ever depend on a court decision...every court ruling
would be "temporary". Thank god our legal system follows the centuries
old doctrine of res judicata (Res judicata pro veritate accipitur - A
thing adjudged must be taken for truth).
Rose was cleared (judged) and if the NCAA cannot stand by it's own decisions....it should get out of the deciding process.
I hope the lose their homesick asses in the lawsuit. The NCAA is a co-conspirator in the UNC case.
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Barryn2000, You are correct about Rose being cleared to participate in NCAA, however you failed to mentioned that NCAA told Memphis officials that his SAT test was being investigated and later found to be someone else's handwriting. Memphis decided to play Rose anyway. Later Rose was declared ineligible for not cooperating with NCAA officials. The NCAA doesn't have the man power to investigate all violations on a timely basis.
Its a shame that so many Coaches, AD's and Presidents of these schools has to be watched over like little children to stop the cheating. Schools have been known to hire coaches that have been fired from their two previous jobs for cheating..
The NCAA doesn't have subpoena power like a court of law, so its takes longer. The bottom line is we as fans tend to blame the NCAA for everything and say nothing about the Adults that make multi-millions and do the cheating. Odd isn't it?
"Winning, whatever it takes" jmho
This post was edited on 4/2 11:02 PM by knotonalog
This is what happens when you have a
monopoly. They eventually become so large and powerful, they don't feel
any connection or obligation to even their own rules, purpose,
roots...let alone common law and common sense.
It's not like colleges can shop around for a better Athletic Association.
The NCAA want's the money, the power, the control, the boasting.....but none of the responsibility.
I
lost all faith in the NCAA, first with the bizarre Derrick Rose ruling
(he's cleared...oh wait, we f'd up so it's your fault) and then with the
equally absurd Enes Kanter decision.
Imagine....If you sued
your city over a zoning issue and a judge ruled in your favor for
building a home and then later ordered you to bulldoze the house over
and pay 1 million to the city because he screwed up....that's the
Derrick Rose case.
Thank god our legal system isn't run like the
NCAA. Nobody could ever depend on a court decision...every court ruling
would be "temporary". Thank god our legal system follows the centuries
old doctrine of res judicata (Res judicata pro veritate accipitur - A
thing adjudged must be taken for truth).
Rose was cleared (judged) and if the NCAA cannot stand by it's own decisions....it should get out of the deciding process.
I hope the lose their homesick asses in the lawsuit. The NCAA is a co-conspirator in the UNC case.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Barryn2000, You are correct about Rose being cleared to participate in NCAA, however you failed to mentioned that NCAA told Memphis officials that his SAT test was being investigated and later found to be someone else's handwriting. Memphis decided to play Rose anyway. Later Rose was declared ineligible for not cooperating with NCAA officials. The NCAA doesn't have the man power to investigate all violations on a timely basis.
Its a shame that so many Coaches, AD's and Presidents of these schools has to be watched over like little children to stop the cheating. Schools have been known to hire coaches that have been fired from their two previous jobs for cheating..
The NCAA doesn't have subpoena power like a court of law, so its takes longer. The bottom line is we as fans tend to blame the NCAA for everything and say nothing about the Adults that make multi-millions and do the cheating. Odd isn't it?
"Winning, whatever it takes" jmho
This post was edited on 4/2 11:02 PM by knotonalog
I think you have your timeline wrong.
A - invalidated May 2008
B - letter(s) warned he would be invalidated if he didn't respond
C - first letter was during NCAA tourney.
A) The NCAA originally ordered Memphis to vacate the season and forfeit money on Aug. 20. Memphis had appealed, arguing the penalties were unprecedented and that the school was held to a strict liability when Rose was ruled retroactively ineligible for an SAT score that was invalidated by the Educational Testing Service in May 2008.
B) The decision was based on a letter from the testing agency to the athlete that "not only made the student-athlete aware that his eligibility was in serious jeopardy, but that he would be declared ineligible if he did not respond to the letter," according to the committee's report to the NCAA.
C) The letters ETS sent Rose asking for more information were dated March 17, 2008 - while he was playing in the NCAA tournament - and April 10, 2008, days after the championship game loss. The only address the ETS had for Rose came when he took the test in high school while living in Illinois.
Finally....this gem
Memphis also asked the NCAA to take several steps to avoid this kind of problem in the future.
The
university wants the NCAA to require the Educational Testing Service to
notify universities of any investigations of student-athletes,
something officials want the NCAA to start immediately to work out a
plan to do just that. And Memphis wants the NCAA Eligibility Center to
provide guidance and keep both schools and student-athletes informed on
test score questions.
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