The AI thread

[wildcatadam6]

Folks, AI is upon us. It’s not going away. It’s helpful/useful in some respects, for sure. It also has its downsides/dangers. This is the place to discuss everything AI-related. What are your thoughts? What will our world look like in 1 year? 5 years? 50 years?

Go.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

The king of steak sauces imo

 

[wildcatadam6]

Tangy. Gets ya heeah.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

Year 1:

Year 5:

Year 50:

 

[RunninRichie]

 

[WayneDougan]

Here's my take on what is going to happen:

Already:

• Big companies are running their enterprise software on SAP and Oracle, but that sits on hyperscaler technology like AWS and Google Cloud.
• AWS and Google Cloud are selling solutions that take that data and solve complex business challenges using AI with that data
• SAP, Oracle and other enterprise software companies are adding AI to do the roles that people used to do.

Starting Now / Soon:

• In the short run, you're going to see pretty significant business improvement due to the use of these tools.
• Big companies use a lot of 3rd party labor for back office support. They will shed these jobs first.
• Then companies will start shedding lower level jobs - slowly at first - but then with greater speed.
• White collar job market starts to show weakness - then goes into full recession.

Positive Impacts:

• If you have capital invested, this is going to be fantastic for a while. Although you better be invested in the right stuff.
• I would assume if you are a patient you're going to like the benefits AI provides in terms of treatments
• Costs will (hopefully) go down - so as a consumer you'll be pretty happy.

Negative Impacts: Anybody who has specialized knowledge is going to be in trouble (like me).

The killer where all bets are off:

• Humanoids: I am hearing that in 3 years we'll basically have humanoids that will be as good as a human in many blue-collar related tasks, but it will be smarter than any human that ever lived. This, at scale, will end a significant portion of work.

My guess for a short-run scenario:

• Companies are going to adopt a lot of this stuff
• People are going to start losing their jobs and get really pissed off
• Government is going to get involved and license where AI can be used
• Monied interests are going to expand that to a lot of use cases
• Some sort of UBI is going to get implemented

 

[funKYcat75]

AI helped me do a cool conditional formatting thing in Google Sheets today, so I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

 

[wildcatadam6]

• People are going to start losing their jobs and get really pissed off
• Government is going to get involved and license where AI can be used

I read a week or two ago that a universal income will be necessary because of the massive shift in jobs lost.

 

[TucsonCat]

Remember when self driving cars were right around the corner?

The reason you hear about AI now is that's is a product. Someday, it'll do things. But right now, were just hearing the marketing spiel. It's basically a search engine that can provide results you can use to maybe copy and paste in to other screens.

 

[kywildcatsfannumber1]

I find spell check and Google translate very useful.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

Looking forward to being a battery for our robot overlords tbh. Bobby Heenan warned us about humanoids for years but we refused to listen.

 

[BlueThruAndThru]

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

I read a week or two ago that a universal income will be necessary because of the massive shift in jobs lost.

I can believe that. In just my working career I’ve seen some manufacturing facilities use half the workforce to get the same level of production. That’s primarily due to pretty basic robotics that have been improved with advances in processors, vision, etc. I can’t imagine where AI could take them in another 20 years.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

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Al

 

[Hank Camacho]

These predictions have occurred about every single important technological innovation. Sure, things will change, but the thought of the majority of a nation being jobless in a span of a year or two strikes me as unbelievably farfetched.

It gives me great optimism that Wayne thinks it will take over because he's a waterhead who is almost universally wrong.

 

[FirewithFire]

 

[WayneDougan]

NVIDIA is worth more than Apple right now. It's all AI. This shit isn't a joke.

 

[BeaveUKGT]

I love how all the TV commercials for AI - whether it's Google's AI or Apple's or anybody else's - have tiny fine print that says you, the user, should verify everything the AI tells you because they can't guarantee that it's accurate.

When the large language models use the entirety of the internet - and the internet is full of BS - then much of what the AIs spit out will also be BS.

On a technical forum I participate in, one of the users asked a tech question to one of the AI services. The answer was complete garbage. The user then queried the AI to show the sources it used for the answer. It immediately returned a list of sources. Several of them were not even real. It made them up. It was like a kid getting caught lying and doubling down by lying some more.

 

[funKYcat75]

Worth it. Minus the killing.

 

[funKYcat75]

Except for you, self driving cars.

 

[Hank Camacho]

NVIDIA is worth more than Apple right now. It's all AI. This shit isn't a joke.

 

[cole854]

AI will have it's time and place in a multitude of industries, home life, etc, but we are not turning into George Jetson or Max Headroom anytime soon in regards to it "taking over". But hey, if it does, then the goverrnment cheese better have a lot of zero's on that monthly check.

 

[Creed Bratton]

 

[M4CAT]

I wish we had AI around when I was in school to do homework.

 

[The-Hack]

I read a week or two ago that a universal income will be necessary because of the massive shift in jobs lost.

If taken to it’s logical extreme, isn’t human wealth limited only by raw resources fed into production?

In a thought experiment, envision AI as a massive combination of computing and manufacturing capability.

For simplicities sake, imagine a long (miles long) corridor in which AI/manufacturing pushes end products out like we do excrement. You simply place the raw materials into the feeding end, and finished products pop out the other end.

If AI is as powerful as we now conceive, it could smelt, or process any and all raw materials, and manufacture all goods more efficiently than humans. And it could self-correct all processes necessary in the “production tube.”

This tube, presumably could be reproduced, and gain greater perfection by the further use of AI.

Ultimately, cars, planes, condoms, blue jeans, baseballs, etc., etc, could be spat out/shat out, again, limited only by the amount of raw resources pushed into the feed, and the time it takes to finish the products.

It would little matter where “production tubes” were located. Labor cost differences would melt away as AI and fully automated production would require no human construction or maintenance.

And in reality, isn’t this conception a rough description of our gain in material wealth the last 450 years as pluralism has combined with science and capitalism to our current level of production and wealth accumulation? A good pocket watch in 1800 was priced higher than the equivalent weight of gold, hence early pocket watches were often covered with gold cases, as few could afford them, anyway. Now you can buy a Watch accurate to a second or two per year for less money than a portion of the daily wage of “cheap” foreign workers.

It looks utopian, assuming mankind could access massive amounts of raw materials from asteroids, etc.

Capture/mine/recycle enough raw resources, and material abundance could become virtually infinite.

It all looks utopian, until AI decides to start cramming humans into the feeding end of the production tube.

 

[Hank Camacho]

I love how all the TV commercials for AI - whether it's Google's AI or Apple's or anybody else's - have tiny fine print that says you, the user, should verify everything the AI tells you because they can't guarantee that it's accurate.

When the large language models use the entirety of the internet - and the internet is full of BS - then much of what the AIs spit out will also be BS.

On a technical forum I participate in, one of the users asked a tech question to one of the AI services. The answer was complete garbage. The user then queried the AI to show the sources it used for the answer. It immediately returned a list of sources. Several of them were not even real. It made them up. It was like a kid getting caught lying and doubling down by lying some more.

The hype vs. the reality of AI is unlike anything I've ever seen. Everything I've tried with AI is initially shockingly impressive and then utterly disappointing to the point of being useless in any practical sense.

How, exactly, are we going to be using an unreliable technology with unknown processes to base civilization on? ChatGPT, so far as can be publicly known, appears to be getting less reliable and useful rather than better. It was released on November 30, 2022. By now it was supposed to have revolutionized many industries, mine included. Thus far it is not just useless but is a liability nightmare where the thought of trying to implement it for anything of any importance is laughable.

@WayneDougan and his MBA dork ilk may be dreaming of humanoid field hands to replace themselves but consider me dubious.

 

[Irish Beck]

Maybe Wayne knows something we don't, but, until AI can correctly tell me how many R's are in the word strawberry, I'm going to consider my job safe.

 

[catlanta33]

AI would spend 5 mins talking to one of our techs or customers before it looks for a way to self-destruct.

 

[d2atTech]

The hype vs. the reality of AI is unlike anything I've ever seen. Everything I've tried with AI is initially shockingly impressive and then utterly disappointing to the point of being useless in any practical sense.

How, exactly, are we going to be using an unreliable technology with unknown processes to base civilization on? ChatGPT, so far as can be publicly known, appears to be getting less reliable and useful rather than better. It was released on November 30, 2022. By now it was supposed to have revolutionized many industries, mine included. Thus far it is not just useless but is a liability nightmare where the thought of trying to implement it for anything of any importance is laughable.

@WayneDougan and his MBA dork ilk may be dreaming of humanoid field hands to replace themselves but consider me dubious.

The general population facing AI is so pervasive we've forgotten it's there (e.g. credit card fraud detection). where i think it will make a big impact is in layered sophistication in areas where we have not envisioned it (e.g. optimizing stock keeping units for small businesses that don't have the logistics of Apple, but need the same efficiency). On a personal level, there are things that AI is enabling me to do, that weren't mathematically feasible till recently. That's pretty mind blowing, but I'm not threatened by the robots. They still need me to keep the lights on, and I need them to pay for my beer -- it's a mutually beneficial arrangement.

 

[WayneDougan]

I feel like I’m Sarah Connor in T2 screening at the people of the world who are going about their daily business while society is about to be destroyed. Everything I see i think to myself - here is how AI will take over that. We’re so f’d.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Hate AIGPT. Totally takes the human creativity out of it.
Also, if I know a spoken tv or radio ad is SI, I'm changing the channel. Just an insult to what intelligence I have left in this skull. I might as well watch a cartoon have a serious talk to me about diarrea

 

[Creed Bratton]

 

[TriangleUKCat]

I used AI for a rendering of a model cottage court product just to see what it would do and it parked all the cars on the front porch of the houses. Rear driveways clear. It got the rest strangely correct but missed the biggest component of a cottage court development.

 

[BC_Wader]

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Remember when self driving cars were right around the corner?

The reason you hear about AI now is that's is a product. Someday, it'll do things. But right now, were just hearing the marketing spiel. It's basically a search engine that can provide results you can use to maybe copy and paste in to other screens.

There are already self driving cars. I believe Phoenix, san fran and Austin have them. Theyre impressive as hell.

I mostly agree with the rest of your post. Sadly not only is this being marketed but its being sold like wildfire. It isnt there yet but that isnt yet mattering.

Although it is very good at basic data entry stuff. So it isnt completely worthless. It just doesn't nearly do what we're told.

 

[WayneDougan]

It’s f’ing there and you guys don’t know what’s about to hit. The new model open ai is about to drop is supposed to be 10x better than 4o. And 4o is legit.

I think that there is going to be serious backlash against this if the unemployment rate starts ticking up. Like can you imagine those cocksuckers running AI ads when 100K jobs are being lost a day over it?

If you wipe out the earning potential of 100’s of millions with a product that makes you billions, you better hope that they can’t find where you are. It’ll be ****ing pitchfork time.

 

[JumperJack]

I read a week or two ago that a universal income will be necessary because of the massive shift in jobs lost.

And yet we’re flooding the country with unskilled labor.

 

[WayneDougan]

And yet we’re flooding the country with unskilled labor.

Yep, it is absolutely insane.

 

[WayneDougan]

I read a week or two ago that a universal income will be necessary because of the massive shift in jobs lost.

This is what the tech co’s want. They make all the money and the government picks up the tab. This will be our generation’s WWII moment.