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Steve Kerr.....Man of Principle and Courage

Liberals are the most closed minded group you’ll find. Just this week Ellen Degeneres had to defend herself because she sat with George W Bush. You’ll never see conservatives up in arms because someone is friends with someone. Liberals will. That’s not to there aren’t any close minded white supremacist nuts on the far right. Just by and large, liberals are far less open minded than a conservatives.

To your point about defending human rights on this board, I’m not a political activist. I’ll engage in some political topics on this board here and there, but I’m not a political enthusiast. Kerr is. That’s the point of contention I had. He’ll be up in arms about something moronic Trump tweets. His twitter feed is very political. He’s not shy about voicing his beliefs, nor should he be, but he doesn’t have an opinion on China’s human rights violations? Come on, that’s ridiculous.
I really do not know what his views on China might be.
That "US Journalist" part is open for discussion.
Why would that be up for discussion?
 
Liberals as a rule do not hate America. They are generally very openminded and Their overall world view is different than yours.

I am not taking up for Kerr. I simply do not know the timeline of his interview. If you guys want to bash him, fine with me. If we are going to now take a stand on human rights on this board, I think all of you know that China is one of many countries that violate human rights. Saudi Arabia murdered a US journalist, they got a pass. This pass was given even with a taping of the incident and, in the face of horrendous human rights violations for decades. Turkey is another example but there are many, many others. I honestly just come here for basketball discussion.
But that's not the point. Kerr is super woke...until his paycheck is involved.

Several companies are involved with china financially...but several companies dont claim to be outspoken on what's right and justice. So when a GM in your own company supports democracy and is silenced by an authoritarian regime and you wont speak up on liberty Then you arent woke, you're a coward, and nothing you say moving forward means anything.

They bent the knee to china. And said it's okay that many dont have freedom. Not everyone is expected to take a stand on everything...but when you are directly involved you probably should. And when another country is directly taking freedoms away from you at home...it may be something to speak on.

Muhammed Ali would quit boxing if he were a boxer today a china told him to shut up.
 
I don't have a personal or political agenda when listening to this. I think it is entirely possible that he did not have a great deal of info when discussing this topic. He said he has just started reading about it.
Like most thoughtful people, he wanted more information before he made a statement that will belong to him (and) be repeated. Until knowing more about the time frame of this interview I am not sure bashing him is warranted, unless you do have a political agenda.

You CANNOT have as many opinions as he does and at the same time have no idea what communism is. Puh-leeze.
 
Kerr is very politically outspoken. If Kerr didn't want to be known for his politics then he should have kept his mouth shut over the years.
I see nothing wrong with being politically outspoken.
But that's not the point. Kerr is super woke...until his paycheck is involved.

Several companies are involved with china financially...but several companies dont claim to be outspoken on what's right and justice. So when a GM in your own company supports democracy and is silenced by an authoritarian regime and you wont speak up on liberty Then you arent woke, you're a coward, and nothing you say moving forward means anything.

They bent the knee to china. And said it's okay that many dont have freedom. Not everyone is expected to take a stand on everything...but when you are directly involved you probably should. And when another country is directly taking freedoms away from you at home...it may be something to speak on.

Muhammed Ali would quit boxing if he were a boxer today a china told him to shut up.
I am sure Mohammed Ali would speak up in some manner. Kerr is no Ali. IF, Kerr had all the information at the time of his interview he should have voiced his opinion like he does on other matters.
I was a young boy when Ali refused to go to Viet Nam and I still remember it well. He did so in a very direct way. At the time, he was crucified by many. The public backlash was severe in some circles. He could have lied and said he had bone spurs but he did not. Very few of us are like Ali.
 
Because he was a Saudi citizen. Simply writing articles with a dissident Saudi/pro Islamist slant for the Washington Post does not make him a US Journalist. No matter where he resides.
He was a Saudi citizen. His college degree was from the US. His children received their education from the US. He was here on an O Visa which is granted to those with extraordinary ability and achievement. He was an American journalist and your right it doesn't matter where he resides. I don't why that bothers you?
Come on now, who do you think will be the next commitment to UK?
 
He was a Saudi citizen. His college degree was from the US. His children received their education from the US. He was here on an O Visa which is granted to those with extraordinary ability and achievement. He was an American journalist and your right it doesn't matter where he resides. I don't why that bothers you?
Come on now, who do you think will be the next commitment to UK?

It doesn’t bother me, but he wasn’t a US journalist.

Askew or Cunningham, I’ll take either one.
 
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I see nothing wrong with being politically outspoken.

I am sure Mohammed Ali would speak up in some manner. Kerr is no Ali. IF, Kerr had all the information at the time of his interview he should have voiced his opinion like he does on other matters.
I was a young boy when Ali refused to go to Viet Nam and I still remember it well. He did so in a very direct way. At the time, he was crucified by many. The public backlash was severe in some circles. He could have lied and said he had bone spurs but he did not. Very few of us are like Ali.

I agree. Ali would not have allowed anything or anyone, be it dollars or bosses, to prohibit him from voicing his opinion or tell him what to say,like Kerr did.
 
I don't have a personal or political agenda when listening to this. I think it is entirely possible that he did not have a great deal of info when discussing this topic. He said he has just started reading about it.
Like most thoughtful people, he wanted more information before he made a statement that will belong to him (and) be repeated. Until knowing more about the time frame of this interview I am not sure bashing him is warranted, unless you do have a political agenda.
Unfortunately, this makes way too much sense for the typical Rafters poster to understand.
 
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Kerr is entitled to his opinions, but it’s of no more or less value than the opinion of a random average Joe.
 
Funny that it takes a no comment from an NBA coach to make republicans care about the plight of the Chinese. What a time to be alive.
 
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I really do not know what his views on China might be.
It’s not about speculating what his views on China are. It’s that he more than likely has some opinion on China with how involved he is in political discussions, but today he acted like he had never heard of China. He comes across as being a brass guy not afraid to speak his mind, but when it’d be financially risky to do so, his values went out the window. He’ll be principled when it gets him Twitter likes and retweets but won’t do it when it isn’t convenient to do so.

We can argue about whether it is wise for Kerr to do what he did, but he can’t portray himself as a political spokesman anymore if he’s going to punt on this issue.
 
It’s not about speculating what his views on China are. It’s that he more than likely has some opinion on China with how involved he is in political discussions, but today he acted like he had never heard of China. He comes across as being a brass guy not afraid to speak his mind, but when it’d be financially risky to do so, his values went out the window. He’ll be principled when it gets him Twitter likes and retweets but won’t do it when it isn’t convenient to do so.

We can argue about whether it is wise for Kerr to do what he did, but he can’t portray himself as a political spokesman anymore if he’s going to punt on this issue.
IMO, the financial risk is not just a Kerr thing, but a player thing. No coach, in their right mind, is going to be the reason that a Chinese shoe company pulls an $80 million endorsement deal from Klay Thompson, or the millions that guys like Evan Turner, Lou Williams, Matthew Dellavedova and Kevon Looney get from Chinese shoe deals.

I could not imagine if I was a player making millions from a Chinese company and a coaches tweet or comment cost me my endorsement deal. No way Kerr is getting involved in that.
 
Thanks to rq/fuzz for confirming that athletes and celebs that preach and virtue signal are not really all that principled and do so just for show.
 
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NBA coaches could take a lesson from “Football Guy” in terms of commenting on current, political issues. You think Saban, Dabo, and/or Belichek would answer that question? Hell, do you even think any journalist would think to ask them a political question?

I don’t even know what day it is. I just know when it’s game day. Oatmeal Cream Pies. My wife gets one hug from me a year; she’s a saint. We are builders of men. Recruiting season! We’re just focusing one game at a time. Durrr, derp, fart.
 
NBA coaches could take a lesson from “Football Guy” in terms of commenting on current, political issues. You think Saban, Dabo, and/or Belichek would answer that question? Hell, do you even think any journalist would think to ask them a political question?

I don’t even know what day it is. I just know when it’s game day. Oatmeal Cream Pies. My wife gets one hug from me a year; she’s a saint. We are builders of men. Recruiting season! We’re just focusing one game at a time. Durrr, derp, fart.
I don’t see many coaches being asked about political issues at the rate Kerr does. He often times offers up his opinions regardless
 
There is a difference between being a journalist and an opinion writer.

Khashoggi knew a lot. He was not just the media officer of intelligence chief Prince Turki. He was one of his main advisers and was said to have worked for the secret service for a while. Khashoggi was extremely familiar with sensitive issues of the kingdom. And he was a member of the super-elite. He might have known too much.


high-level operative for the Saudi intelligence service, an intimate of Osama bin Laden, and the nephew of the shadiest of all Arab arms dealer
 
Not speaking out against China is easy for Libs. The steps are short from liberalism > socialism > communism.

The unspoken part of all this.

There’s a growing wing of their party that OPENLY ADMIRE what China is.
 
Liberals as a rule do not hate America. They are generally very openminded and Their overall world view is different than yours.

I like a lot of your comments in this thread but this one I've got to disagree vehemently with. Let's consider the number of liberal colleges that have refused to allow any dissenting voices to be heard on their campus as if hearing a well-reasoned, thoughtful opposing view of an issue would violate someone's 'safe place' or be, god forbid, 'offensive'. Comedians like Jerry Seinfeld won't perform at universities anymore for this very reason.

For years, liberals have tried to rein in conservative talk radio unsuccessfully. Ask Brett Kavanaugh if liberals are open-minded and fair-minded and hold the rule of law very near and dear to their hearts. PC culture is all about NOT being open-minded, imo. If you don't think/act/talk how we decide is best then your job/friendship/(sometimes)physical well-being is in danger. My son lives in Boston and he's not a Trump lover. But he's told me that there are situations he's in quite often where if he spoke out in defense of Trump or one of his policies he would be in fear of being physically assaulted. For Pete's sake, the Democratic presidential candidate described those voters who didn't agree with her as 'deplorables'. That's open-minded liberalism for you.

Having said all that, I still like many of your comments, especially those urging everyone to think before speaking and gather a bit more information. Kerr and Popovich are only too glad spout their opinions on issues they know very little about, imo, but denigrate a communist regime with no respect for human rights that also happens to put $4 billion annually into the NBA coffers? Crickets...Like many other outspoken liberals (conservatives, too), they can be hypocrites when an issue will affect them personally.
 
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The issue is that its easy for the NBA and their players and coaches to be principled when they know its not going to cost them anything...in fact, the fanboy sports media here applaud them because they generally agree with their views. But, in this case, its affecting the NBA's bottom line and its not as easy pontificate on your worldview then. So, educated men like Kerr and Pop will now appear to be disingenuous whenever they comment on anything. I mean, they are towing the NBA company line, but it is still makes past and future commentary seem empty.

And, to those excusing them because they needed to know more facts....do you think they all know all the facts the other times they want to spout off about Trump or any social justice topics of the day?
 
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The issue is that its easy for the NBA and their players and coaches to be principled when they know its not going to cost them anything...in fact, the fanboy sports media here applaud them because they generally agree with their views. But, in this case, its affecting the NBA's bottom line and its not as easy pontificate on your worldview then. So, educated men like Kerr and Pop will now appear to be disingenuous whenever they comment on anything. I mean, they are towing the NBA company line, but it is still makes past and future commentary seem empty.

And, to those excusing them because they needed to know more facts....do you think they all know all the facts the other times they want to spout off about Trump or any social justice topics of the day?

Agree with most of this, but I excuse question dodging for millions of dollars. If I was going to risk a multimillion dollar a year salary taking to the press, everything would be a complicated issue with many layers that I would like to research before coming back with an answer.

Hopefully what you said will come true and people will see through the bullshit pandering next time, but I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.
 
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Funny that it takes a no comment from an NBA coach to make republicans care about the plight of the Chinese. What a time to be alive.
Not surprised that's how you see it.

Maybe you didnt notice, but a country on the other side of the world is denying rights to Americans while in their home country with the help of an american company. I dgaf about chinese.

I see that one flew way over. But I guess that's what you get when your country is ran by Trudeau, who wouldnt answer to the public about his black face so filmed a video talking about it to children.....just as he sees it citizens.





Uyghurs isnt a slur...that's like saying a new englander or southerner. I mean that gaurd could say f you nba and if you fire me I'll see you on national news tomorrow
 
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This is a lie... and a whopper at that.

Somewhere... Pinocchio's nose just grew at least 6 inches.
Not a lie. You seem to be upset that someone truly believes and lives something that you will never get. Simply calling someone a liar because you don't agree is lazy and unimaginative.
 
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Not a lie. You seem to be upset that someone truly believes and lives something that you will never get. Simply calling someone a liar because you don't agree is lazy and unimaginative.
Youre pretty good at this "lying" concept.
 
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