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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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The-Hack said:
Ours are not, but I’m relieved to know there are still those to my right who have not succumbed to the moral relativism and difference to authoritarianism reflected by other “conservatives” in this thread.

The thoughts I have expressed throughout this thread are virtually identical to those I argued with, to those then far to my left, in my college years.
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Politics aside, as I’m center-right yet not far to the right, amazes me how indifferent/apathetic & how little attention this major geopolitical event gets in the American audience & populace, hardly anyone cares or talks about it out in public or in my in social circles. I get everyone has lives and some prefer to tune out bad news, but seems like an event of this magnitude, regardless of viewpoint,
should attract some more attention and conversation? It’s this whole “well, I don’t really care as it doesn’t affect me” mentality.

Sorry, got a little off-topic.
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
How do you stand the radical progressives who seem to dominate your party now?
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Idiots have controlled both parties for most of my life.

The Brownshirts concern me a tad more than the socialists, as I actually know a few.

Frankly, I wish I could put all the putative “right” from January 6, and the putative “left” who tore up sh!t in the cities post George Floyd, and put ‘em in a jar like two spiders, like when I was a kid.

Maybe they would all agree to get a bath and a job! And yeah, that sounds like my Dad and George Wallace, both great Southern men!
 
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bcw1029 said:
Politics aside, as I’m center-right yet not far to the right, amazes me how indifferent/apathetic & how little attention this major geopolitical event gets in the American audience & populace, hardly anyone cares or talks about it out in public or in my in social circles. I get everyone has lives and some prefer to tune out bad news, but seems like an event of this magnitude, regardless of viewpoint,
should attract some more attention and conversation? It’s this whole “well, I don’t really care as it doesn’t affect me” mentality.

Sorry, got a little off-topic.
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Maybe we don’t want to support either side when both governments have been found to be hugely corrupt? Zelensky completely shuts down any opposition to his leadership in Ukraine. Isn’t that authoritarian as well? There is a member of Congress who is native Ukrainian. I think from Indiana. I believe she has expressed some misgivings about Zelensky publicly. Is she a Putler lover as you all so cleverly call it as well? It is possible to feel for the innocents in Ukraine and even also in Russia while not wanting to throw billions of dollars of the American tax payers money at their corrupt government.
 
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bcw1029 said:
Politics aside, as I’m center-right yet not far to the right, amazes me how indifferent/apathetic & how little attention this major geopolitical event gets in the American audience & populace, hardly anyone cares or talks about it out in public or in my in social circles
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I guess it depends on your social circles. Mine are staunchly pro-Ukraine, of both political parties, (in a small farming town) and we are conversing about doing mission work, there, post-war.
 
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I'm not a conservative. This isn't at all political, but that's reflective of the fact you folks don't get it.

You wouldn't say things like "putin gonna nuke Kiev or Odessa if we don't stop him now!" if you eeven remotely got it. This war has absolutely nothing to do with stupid American domestic politics or "democracy vs autocracy:" zero, zip, zilch, nada.

BigBlueFanGA said:
I'm sorry but that isn't rational.
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It is. I get that you don't get it. Trust me, I get it.
 
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SDC888 said:
This war has absolutely nothing to do with stupid American domestic politics or "democracy vs autocracy:" zero, zip, zilch, nada.
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And I guess our last 500 years of (generally) defending Democracy and the integrity of national borders, the international rule of law, etc. were all for the service of the Illuminati, the Free Masons, the Gray’s, George Soros, the Calitalists, or whatever other imaginative boogeyman you get off imagining is under the bed of our Republic.

The war in Ukraine fits nicely with our shared experience since 1588, and I prefer Pax Britannia and Pax Americana over Russia Mir, in part, because the former trend heavily toward democracy and the latter toward authoritarianism. Yes, there are other (just as important) strategic reasons to support Ukraine, but all reasons we are doing it are good for the US.
 
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Mash 2.4 said:
Maybe we don’t want to support either side when both governments have been found to be hugely corrupt? Zelensky completely shuts down any opposition to his leadership in Ukraine. Isn’t that authoritarian as well? There is a member of Congress who is native Ukrainian. I think from Indiana. I believe she has expressed some misgivings about Zelensky publicly. Is she a Putler lover as you all so cleverly call it as well? It is possible to feel for the innocents in Ukraine and even also in Russia while not wanting to throw billions of dollars of the American tax payers money at their corrupt government.
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That isn't true, he did not shut down all opposition. He did shut down Russian supported parties/groups.
 
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SDC888 said:
I'm not a conservative. This isn't at all political, but that's reflective of the fact you folks don't get it.

You wouldn't say things like "putin gonna nuke Kiev or Odessa if we don't stop him now!" if you eeven remotely got it. This war has absolutely nothing to do with stupid American domestic politics or "democracy vs autocracy:" zero, zip, zilch, nada.



It is. I get that you don't get it. Trust me, I get it.
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Lol, whatever. You're awfully impressed with your opinion on this and that is all it is, your opinion.
 
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Mash 2.4 said:
news.yahoo.com

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

Sounds pretty authoritarian to me. I know it would concern me if it happened here.
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Um, if we were at war with a bigger more powerful country who has a history of installing political puppets into our presidency, you'd be concerned if we told political parties run by that country that they couldn't exist? That makes no sense. That other country's influence needs to be purged, that is a proper reaction.

I'm no fan of marshal law but look at the situation Ukraine was in. Once the war is over, if these limitations are continued then I will be concerned.
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
Lol, whatever. You're awfully impressed with your opinion on this and that is all it is, your opinion.
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That's right, but it's not impressive.

IF the average American knew why this war was actually being fought, no one would support it.

That's no coincidence.
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
Um, if we were at war with a bigger more powerful country who has a history of installing political puppets into our presidency, you'd be concerned if we told political parties run by that country that they couldn't exist? That makes no sense. That other country's influence needs to be purged, that is a proper reaction.

I'm no fan of marshal law but look at the situation Ukraine was in. Once the war is over, if these limitations are continued then I will be concerned.
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He has complete control over the media and opposition views get no voice. That type of control has been given to leaders in the past and I can’t think of one instance where it turned out well for the people.
 
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SDC888 said:
That's right, but it's not impressive.

IF the average American knew why this war was actually being fought, no one would support it.

That's no coincidence.
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It's also only your opinion on why the war is being fought. I don't agree with you and I'm far from average.
 
Mash 2.4 said:
Maybe we don’t want to support either side when both governments have been found to be hugely corrupt? Zelensky completely shuts down any opposition to his leadership in Ukraine. Isn’t that authoritarian as well? There is a member of Congress who is native Ukrainian. I think from Indiana. I believe she has expressed some misgivings about Zelensky publicly. Is she a Putler lover as you all so cleverly call it as well? It is possible to feel for the innocents in Ukraine and even also in Russia while not wanting to throw billions of dollars of the American tax payers money at their corrupt government.
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You completely misinterpreted my post, wasn’t even talking about taking a side per se, just making a general point that most Americans are indifferent and apathetic towards it. That shouldn’t be a controversial take.
 
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He has complete control over the media and opposition views get no voice. That type of control has been given to leaders in the past and I can’t think of one instance where it turned out well for the people.
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Not all opposition, why do you continue to claim that?
 
bcw1029 said:
You completely misinterpreted my post, wasn’t even talking about taking a side per se, just making a general point that most Americans are indifferent and apathetic towards it. That shouldn’t be a controversial take.
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I do agree that as it drags on Americans have lost some interest and I agree that it’s very important. We do have some problems of our own here though.
 
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Not all opposition, why do you continue to claim that?
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Ok. Point me out an opposition party in Ukraine and I’ll shut up. Or a media outlet that isn’t state run. I’ll post this story below and you tell me if you wouldn’t be concerned if you were a Ukrainian citizen.

 
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jameslee32 said:
It's all the USA's fault typically. It's also a damn shame NATO was more prepared than your imperialist pal Putin. You guys waving the American flag all these years for everyone to see, sure seem to hate America and the people living here.
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This is completely deluded.

If you can recognize how one might be fully convinced of this, how such domestic ignorance could be fully congealed today through media narratives, maybe you'll be able to see how the Ukraine narrative given to you is qualitatively identical.
 
SDC888 said:
His approval rating went from 15% to 90% with this war... cui bono?
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It went from 28% to over 90%. That 28% also carried 15% who didn't know and/or answer. His disapproval rate peaked at 56%.

Your inference to a conspiracy is just sad but then, you are the One who understands why this war happened. Sheesh
 
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Ok. Point me out an opposition party in Ukraine and I’ll shut up. Or a media outlet that isn’t state run. I’ll post this story below and you tell me if you wouldn’t be concerned if you were a Ukrainian citizen.

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Abraham Lincoln (possibly the greatest leader the world has ever known) suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War and did a ton of other unconstitutional acts in wartime. I despise government tyranny but if your country is invaded and quite literally fighting for its very existence, it is no longer time for civic debate or free speech, imo. Just don't make it a habit.
 
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SDC888 said:
This is completely deluded.

If you can recognize how one might be fully convinced of this, how such domestic ignorance could be fully congealed today through media narratives, maybe you'll be able to see how the Ukraine narrative given to you is qualitatively identical.
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This is rich coming from a Trump/Putin guy. Perhaps I should have said hugging and kissing the flag instead of waving it.🤣
 
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This is rich coming from a Trump/Putin guy. Perhaps I should have said hugging and kissing the flag instead of waving it.🤣
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Part and parcel of your delusion is that conflation, further conflating anti-war with being pro-Putin. It's ignorance, you're no less propagandised than some schleb in Siberia watching his one TV channel constantly bombarding him with mother Russia propagand," defenders "of European culture from nazism and/or western hedonism.




Hank Camacho said:
Abraham Lincoln (possibly the greatest leader the world has ever known) suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War and did a ton of other unconstitutional acts in wartime. I despise government tyranny but if your country is invaded and quite literally fighting for its very existence, it is no longer time for civic debate or free speech, imo. Just don't make it a habit.
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But that is their politics, in its entirety; namely, a pro western west vs a smaller pro Russian east.

BigBlueFanGA said:
It went from 28% to over 90%. That 28% also carried 15% who didn't know and/or answer. His disapproval rate peaked at 56%.

Your inference to a conspiracy is just sad but then, you are the One who understands why this war happened. Sheesh
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It's not a conspiracy... he was "elected" on a pro reconciliation platform, he chose the opposite.

My claim is not that I'm the "One" who understands it, but that you (pl.) clearly don't.
 
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