Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Bill, the very best outcome one might hope is if former President Trump hopped on his plane right now and flew to Moscow. After landing, he requests Vlade calls off this BS invasion. RUS retreats to some agreed-upon border.
Trump goes down as a monumental peace-broker. RUS saves face. Win-win for our entire planet. At best, with their inept forces, RUS might be looking at a stalemate. Nearly every civilized Western nation currently sits in UKR corner. They cannot win. RUS sits in the same position as Nazi Germany back in 1943. They shot their wad.
It's all the USA's fault typically. It's also a damn shame NATO was more prepared than your imperialist pal Putin. You guys waving the American flag all these years for everyone to see, sure seem to hate America and the people living here.
Lol, do you think this is a real vote? Putin gets 100% of the votes every time. Same system.
You've been wrong at every turn so far. We'll see and my guess is you and your ilk will disappear again.
I don’t know, but since they’ve been fighting to get away from Ukraine for 8 years now I’d tend to think they mean it.
You know there’s a PredictIt market on Putin being president by the end of the year. Really good payout if a Russian savior throws him out a window or gets the Gaddafi treatment. Might take that bet for shits & giggles.
Keyword being “were”.
HIMARS doesn’t give a shit about a sham/fake referendum, just means more strikes and more bloodshed which could have been avoided by Putler
Seperatists funded, armed and guided by the Russians? You can obviously use a computer so you can't possibly be that stupid.
No shit, the fact remains that they’ve been fighting for 8 years. Which would lead one to believe they mean it, and don’t want to be part of Ukraine.
A part of them do. Do you know the %? I dont and I bet you have no idea either.
Yeah, I’m sure that “vote” will be fair. Most likely males will get sent to the front line if they vote no. That’s 3’rd world Russia.
You may be right. I’m not familiar at all with the political structure of these districts. Sounds similar to our current system which labels you a domestic terrorist for questioning an election.
I’m just asking the question. If Ukraine is on the verge of or has reclaimed control of these areas wouldn’t the citizens be less likely to worry about Russian scare tactics?
This may help. Its kinda like the Dims would do if they could get away with it.
Five years after Crimea’s illegal annexation, the issue is no closer to resolution
Crimea will remain a problem between Kyiv and Moscow, and between the West and Russia, for years—if not decades—to come.
They've only retaken part of the area. There is a lot to do to take back Donbas.
The provinces was not their objective. The objective was to blitz kyiv, capture the government, and then turn Ukraine back into a full puppet state.
If the vote is in Russias favor? Is that a joke? The Crimea vote was 97% yes. This vote will be 95%+ yes because it will be whatever Putin tells them to make it.
If by "they" you mean Wagner group and off the books Russian spec ops. The only provincincial civilians fighting for Russia are the ones the FSB rounded up at gunpoint. It's sad how deep you have fallen for Putlers propaganda.
“If” the vote comes back in favor of Russia? That’s a joke, right?
How will nato step in and end it? They are already in it, prolonging the inevitable. Nato doesn’t have the ability to force anything on Russia. A vacuum in Russia would be an absolute global nightmare. China won’t allow for the destabilization of Russia. Nato will have to step back or go into a full blown hot war with Russia. Do you realize the consequence of that!?
I love this story about the Ukrainian response to the Ruskies holding sham elections:
Ukrainian partisans, sometimes working with special operations forces, have blown up warehouses holding ballots and buildings where Russian proxy officials preparing for the vote held meetings. Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that they are engaged in a campaign to assassinate key Russian administration officials; more than a dozen have been blown up, shot and poisoned, according to Ukrainian and Russian officials.
www.nytimes.com
Ukrainian partisans, sometimes working with special operations forces, have blown up warehouses holding ballots and buildings where Russian proxy officials preparing for the vote held meetings. Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that they are engaged in a campaign to assassinate key Russian administration officials; more than a dozen have been blown up, shot and poisoned, according to Ukrainian and Russian officials.
Russia-Ukraine War: Ukrainians Express Fear and Defiance as Staged Voting Begins
Residents in Russian-occupied territories said their homeland was being usurped by force in what they called a sham vote. Russia announced that some workers will be exempt from the draft.
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Maybe as a historian, the truth is his only incentive.
I already read what they say at his institute for war study, but thanks.
No, I don’t, but we’ll have an idea after the vote I would imagine.
It's something like this... their "politics" always is
This fissure is the whole
the obvious solution to actually end the war is let them govern themselves, but not annexed by russia, some sort of autonomy within ukraine
that's win/win for everyone and lets the rest of the world avoid famine/recession this winter
Dear lord, you can't be that obtuse, you just can't. Basically the entire world, outside of Russian influence, says the elections are illegal and a sham. Its you who is waving his hand ignoring the truth. This is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen.It's something like this... their "politics" always is
This fissure is the wholereasonexploit for the war in thge first place; it'll be too easy to handwave away as fake to an ignorant and propagandized public by nyt commentators,, generals and talkingheads, or whomever... it would be like they told you Martha's vineyard was Trump country and you just accepted it because they're experts, no different whatsoever
the obvious solution to actually end the war is let them govern themselves, but not annexed by russia, some sort of autonomy within ukraine
that's win/win for everyone and lets the rest of the world avoid famine/recession this winter
BTW, as you should know, my politics are the same as yours.It's something like this... their "politics" always is
This fissure is the wholereasonexploit for the war in thge first place; it'll be too easy to handwave away as fake to an ignorant and propagandized public by nyt commentators,, generals and talkingheads, or whomever... it would be like they told you Martha's vineyard was Trump country and you just accepted it because they're experts, no different whatsoever
the obvious solution to actually end the war is let them govern themselves, but not annexed by russia, some sort of autonomy within ukraine
that's win/win for everyone and lets the rest of the world avoid famine/recession this winter
I know they are illegal and a sham.
That doesn't mean they don't accurately reflect the will of the people.
That doesn't mean they don't accurately reflect the will of the people.
Ours are not, but I’m relieved to know there are still those to my right who have not succumbed to the moral relativism and difference to authoritarianism reflected by other “conservatives” in this thread.
The thoughts I have expressed throughout this thread are virtually identical to those I argued with, to those then far to my left, in my college years.
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I have a feeling you're pretty centrist and we probably share a quite a few views.
I‘ll hold a gun to your head, and rob you.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want you to have a nice day.
I’m a Center-Right Southern Democrat - have lived and will die as such.
How do you stand the radical progressives who seem to dominate your party now?
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