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Dude just said Frank Mason > Mashburn. That’s what we're dealing with here. Even Frank Mason wouldn't agree with him.
LMAO...there isn't even a damn comparison between Mash and Mason...Dude can't be serious
I said I would take Mashburn. You said, are you joking when I said they produced similar. So I ask for you to provide facts, not opinions on how Mash ever had a better year than senior frank mason. Then you try to put words in my mouth and say I said I would take Mason over mash. Typical Rupptard.
You literally said : "So you’re saying Mashburn had a drastically better year than Senior Frank Mason? Show me"
You asked me for proof that shows Mash was the better player. Why else would you ask me to show you??? Are you drunk?
Okay, so is Luka Garza better than Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, or Wayne Turner? I hope you ask me to list what Turner accomplished here, compared to Luka.
But, in your world, Luka is obviously the better player, because he won a NPOY award.
But I'm the one making this up??????
But wait, Frank Mason won a NPOY, so, by your own made up standards, that means Frank is better than Mashburn, but now you're singing a different tune.
Yeah and that's the other thing I think people need to realize as well.
2 years at WVU.
2 years at UK.
He is what he is at this point. Can he improve especially on defense? Yeah sure. But if he was to come back, I don't think anyone should expect some massive transformation.
Define better? Better college or NBA player? What they accomplished in college? NBA? Potential?
Or what they provided to their team in college?
1) why the hell would we be going off NBA stats?
2) earlier you said yesterdays players couldn't compete with today's players.
3) NOW, you're saying it's about what players did for their team.
You're trying hard, I'll give you that, but you're on your own little island here. Nobody is going to agree with you, because you're wrong.
I’ll PayPal $10,000 today if you can provide unedited proof that I said yesterdays players can’t compete with todays players??? Man up or admit that you have to twist my words in an attempt to keep up.
You do realize nobody is with youon any of this, right?
You make everything worse with every post.
Says the guy who thinks his opinion holds a special weight or something. Lol No facts, no stats, just opinions. Wouldn’t expect anything different, honestly.
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It’s hard to gauge a player from the 70’s against a guy from today.
As far as Mash and Mason, early 90’s is still hard to compare to today. I will say they produced very similar for their college teams. I personally would take Mash but Mason had a monster senior season.
You said it, unless you're now going to say you meant something totally different with this statement.
My Paypal address is KYJEFF1ownsUKAlum88
Pay up bitch.
When did I say my opinion holds special meaning?
Do I really need stats to make you understand that Luka Garza and Frank Mason were nowhere near the level of player Mash was?
You're the one that came up with the criteria, I'm just trying to get you to understand just how stupid your thoughts are on this.
In an attempt to prove you don’t twist my words, you twist my words. 😂 🤯
The game was different back then which makes it hard to debate a player from that era of basketball to today.
My PayPal is: UKAlumOwnsJeffOnAConsistentBasis
Pay up, young one.
Again, where did I say Garza or Mason were better than Mash???? If all you are going to do is twist my words, there’s no need for me to play along. You’re just going to twist what I said to what want me to say in an attempt at a gotcha moment.
You said Graza and Mason were better, the second you made the criteria about which players won NPOY. That is your criteria. You said Oscar is a top 10 UK player of all-time and you said it was because he won NPOY.
2+2=4
So then explain what you meant when you said it's hard to compare players from different eras.
Yup, Oscar 2022 would kill it back in 1965, but man for man in 1965, Dampier dominated. He didn't win NPOY, but he earned his spot among UK's best all time players.
Jamal Mashburn dominated his position, he didn't win NPOY, but he is way ahead of Oscar when you rank the all time best UK players. Mash, Wall, AD, Issel, Dampier, Walker, Walker, Delk, Turner, Fox, Ulis, Randle, MKG, Goose and many many more past UK players, are well ahead of Oscar and all but one of those guys didn't win the NPOY honor when they played?
Your criteria is garbage, but you keep trying to argue.
Why is that money not siting in my Paypal account yet?
LOL, I think you might want to check the rosters Mash played on. Now go back and delete your post. I dare you to try to argue from here.
Oscar played with more NBA potential players than most of the guys ahead of him.
Mashburn led a team of walk ons to the doorstep of a final 4 and had a loaded national champion duke team by the throat.
You guys can't be this clueless.
Oscar played with more NBA potential players than most of the guys ahead of him.
Mashburn led a team of walk ons to the doorstep of a final 4 and had a loaded national champion duke team by the throat.
You guys can't be this clueless.
What part of it was jacked up? Hopefully you say the part about Oscar having a supporting cast that was not as good as the guys I had on my list. Delk, Wayne, Goose and Antoine Walker had better, more well rounded/better coached players, but the rest didn’t, especially Mashburn.
Yes, when some of our fans have to bash a kid for reasons to say how far we’ve fallen is a great example of how far some fans have fallen.
He wanted to know how he stacks up. Now he knows. Back to the grind stone.
Exactly. The idea that Oscar, who has been UK's most recent NPOY isn't in the running for Top 10 (atleast in the modern era) is crazy. It's still a prestigious award IMO.
A NPOY award is something to be proud of indeed but in the history of UK basketball there have been numerous players that weren't NPOY winners that clearly did more and performed better than Oscar and that's not even debatable really.Im not knocking Oscar at all,just being honest in his assessment but you still haven't named the other 8 UK NPOY winners you wanted to know about and since UK has had only 5,there isn't 8 others.
You said Oscar wasn't in the top 10 all time UK players and I asked you to tell me about the other 9 (8) UK players who were better and also won NPOY.
My point is that NPOY means quite a bit and Oscars numbers the last two years certainly elevate him to at least be discussed as a top 10 UK player.
My more relevant question is, where would UK have been the last two seasons WITHOUT Oscar?
I understand he isn't Jamal Mashburn or John Wall, etc. But, Anthony Davis was NPOY and averaged a lot fewer points and rebounds compared to Oscar.
Obviously, AD's upside was fully realized when he got established in the NBA. And while Oscar may have a lower ceiling than guys like AD, Wall, Mashburn, etc. that doesn't make him any less of a player for the ages while at UK.
The attempts I see posted here that try to marginalize Oscar and diminish his importance to the last two UK teams is just ridiculous.
Oscar is not a complete basketball player.
He got exposed as a very poor defender this year. He was able to hide it in 21/22, but coaches realized they could score in the paint at will, right in his face, because he doesn't guard the rim, he backs off. Yes, he’s trying to stay out of foul trouble, but so is everyone else.
Problem is, he was doing it at the end of games when the game was on the line. Know why? Because he’s wired to get rebounds, not block shots.
He has way too many deficiencies to be considered a top 10 UK player of all time. That’s crazy.
I love Oscar, but one could make a case he is not even top 10 all time at UK for centers. We have been blessed with some incredible players at the post:
Leroy Edwards
Alex Groza
Bill Spivey
Cliff Hagan played center in 1952
Bob Burrow (2 time AA)
Cotton Nash
Dan Issel
Jim Andrews
Rick Robey
Mike Phillips
Melvin Turpin
Sam Bowie
Kenny Walker played the post in 1985 and 1986
Demarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
Julius Randle
Towns
Leroy Edwards
Alex Groza
Bill Spivey
Cliff Hagan played center in 1952
Bob Burrow (2 time AA)
Cotton Nash
Dan Issel
Jim Andrews
Rick Robey
Mike Phillips
Melvin Turpin
Sam Bowie
Kenny Walker played the post in 1985 and 1986
Demarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
Julius Randle
Towns
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I'd add KAT to that list too and Nazre and Magloire wouldn't be too far behind.
2023 wasn't a good year for Oscar. He got exposed quite often. Alabama and Missouri made him look pretty bad and he got scored on at will.
I get it, he’s an incredible rebounder and he can't be single covered in the paint, but the rest of his game has big holes that most ball watchers don't see.
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