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How will they rule ??!

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Some good points. What do you think about federal laws being preposed that inact child support payments upon conception since the fetus is considered a person?

Preposed? Inact?

Good lord dude. Just stop posting.

And fyi, my phone tried to change inact to inactive so don't use that excuse for your idiocy.

And it did change preposed to proposed, thus the edit here. So your phone didn't autocorrect you, you're just dumb.
 
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This about 2-3% of abortions. Who are you kidding?
And to make that more clear... some of those kids were viable to be forced birthed but the mom was talked into abortion. It's sick in my mind. After 24 weeks a baby has a decent shot of making it outside the womb. You can take the baby out without killing it. Don't listen to abortion rights activist on this. Talk to a surgeon. Saw an interview with a surgeon who couldn't even think of a situation where you had to kill the baby to save the mom without trying to remove it alive first.
 
Name one person who was forced to have a Covid shot. No law forces you to take a shot in your arm. Wth are you even talking about??
I literally work with hundreds of people that were forced through coercion to take the jab. A small % of us had enough insight AND sufficient intestinal fortitude to stand up to this tyrannical administration. And we are in court now.

So ... when this admin argued their EO was a "lawful order", are you suggesting that it was not a LAWful order? Are you suggesting that EOs do not carry the effect of the law?

You might need to sit the rest of this one out, champ. I humbly accept your defeat.
 
Reports that FBI is looking into several corporate media outlets for formenting civil war.

Said NO headline ever unfortunately.

Look for the corporate left to quickly move to pack the court bc trump was "illegitimate" as potus (yes, the irony from that argument will exceed all imagination) and thus the need for 3 more faaaar-left judges/activists.
 
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Pregnancy is not a communicable illness. No comparison except I do support an individual's right to refuse the vaccine. Their body...their choice.
Abortion is no longer a choice in some states now. Women have lost all control over their bodies in Ky.
Not only will they be raped but they will be forced to have the rapists baby.
No comparison at all to COVID vaccines. Not one person has been forced to get a vaccine by law.
Every word in those 3 paragraphs is an untruth and will you please give the rape thing a rest . You act like all the millions of babies murdered have been the product of rape or incest. Deal with the real problem and encourage who are having unprotected sex with every Tom Dick and Harry that comes along to protect themselves if they are not making the men to wear condoms.
 
Reports that FBI is looking into several corporate media outlets for formenting civil war.

Said NO headline ever unfortunately.

Look for the corporate left to quickly move to pack the court bc trump was "illegitimate" as potus (yes, the irony from that argument will exceed all imagination) and thus the need for 3 more faaaar-left judges/activists.
They’ll only need one more if Breyer doesn’t retire, Brown has already been confirmed when there wasn’t an opening.
 
Let me lay this out for you. We'll start from step 1: There are 3 branches of government.

The judicial branch does not care about your feelings, they do not care about the majority or the minority..thats all irrelevant to their purpose. As much as democrats think it's a political mechanism to push through what they favor its not. If laws are bad or good it's irrelevant. Good/popular laws can be unconstitutional and bad laws can be constitutional. Their job is to apply laws to the constitution. They arent here to make policy, they wrent to decide an issue, they aret here to decide whats right or wrong. Let me know where the confusion is?

It just so happens Roe is unconstitutional, but it's also terrible law. Again, you have to remove your feelings and look at it from a legal standpoint. But to your point...the democrats have deeply abused the law for financial gain. Thats why the keep pushing for more and more abortions, later and later, there is no care about rights. If they would have just said 13 weeks unless it's life threatening or some circumstance it wouldve probably been left alone. Again, democrats blocked over the counter birth control...is that not a right to you? It always amazes me that anytime R's do something it's because of a lobby or something but when it's a democrat, ppl just assume it's because it's altruistic and they have such a big heart. Lol you think chuck schumer cares if you shit a baby in a dumpster? Anyway..so the judicial branch kicks it back to the ppl, who used their right to vote, so states can decide. That's called democracy...you hate that now insurrectionists?

Now, step 2. Good news for you. Theres a process thats built in! There's this thing called the legislative branch. It's their job to make bills. Since Roe is unconstitutional, they can make a bill, pass it, then send it to the third branch, called the executive branch, who van send it back to the judicial branch. Extra good news for you: democrats control both of these! There's nothing or no one saying that an abortion law can't be constitutional...Roe just happens NOT to be. So ppl getting "rights" taken away is nonsense...they have the right but one party isn't interested in reasonable and common sense (you not interested in that talking point anymore?) Your legislative branch is keeping them from this "right".

Abortion hasn't been banned...are you under the impression the scotus is a monarchy over you?
For someone that talks as much as you did on this post, you couldn't be more wrong. You have never studied Constitutional law. I will break it down for you.

First, Roe was not a law that was determined to be unconstitutional. Roe was a Supreme Court case where the court decided that a woman had a constitutional right to decide if she wanted to end a pregnancy, up to a certain point. The Court was clear that what "that point" was is debatable. You keep saying Roe was unconstitutional. Roe was not a statute. It was a Supreme Court opinion determining that a Texas statute was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court today said that the former Supreme Court was wrong, and although we said it was a constitutional right in 1973, we have now changed our minds (different justices mind you) and we don't think that it is a woman's right to end a pregnancy. ROE IS A SUPREME COURT DECISION AND IS NOT UNCONSTITUIONAL.

So where we are now is that each state can decide whether abortions, at any stage, given any conditions, are legal. Kentucky has already passed a law that says all abortions are illegal unless the mother needs it to save her own life. Rape, incest, none of that matters. If a 12 year old is raped by her uncle and becomes pregnant, it is a Class D FELONY for a doctor to perform an abortion on her.

For you to say "rights" weren't taken away is completely inaccurate. In the Roe decision, the United States Supreme Court decided that women have a constitutional RIGHT to have abortions (with certain state regulations concerning timing, etc.) The United States Supreme Court now says although we told you it was a "right", we have changed our minds and have now decided it is not a "right". So yesterday it was a right, today it is not, so it was taken away.

Anyone knowledgeable about Constitutional law should be concerned because once a partisan (either party) court starts taking away "rights" that have been determined in the past, no one knows where it ends and what other "rights" they will decide to take away.

Your comment about "if democrats would've just left alone the 13 week" issue it would have probably been left alone" is equally misplaced. The Court had before it a statute out of Mississippi that banned abortions after 15 weeks. Keep in mind, the Supreme Court is not supposed to be political. They decided a case today between 2 litigants, the State of Mississippi and Dobbs. The state of Mississippi said our law, banning abortions after 15 weeks is constitutional, Dobbs said it wasn't. That is really all the Court should have decided, that 15 weeks was a reasonable restriction on abortion. Neither political party was involved (at least not in litigating the case.) There was no reason for the Court to overturn Roe v. Wade when it could have said, Mississippi you win, your statute is good. But instead, the Court went against traditional history and precedent and said we are going to go further and eliminate a right that we previously said that people have.

While I doubt many, if any, of you have read the opinion, including concurrences and dissents, I have. It is long. But the most concerning thing in any of this is Justice Thomas' concurrence. He says clearly in his separate opinion that the Court should overrule cases that give us all the right to contraception, gay marriage and sex with someone of the same sex. If you are OK with the Supreme Court saying that we don't have those rights, celebrate, because Justice Thomas actually said clearly that those rights should not exist as constitutional rights. He curiously left out Loving v. Virginia which guarantees the right to interracial marriage.

To conclude, I don't like people that don't know what they are talking about "laying this out for me". You are wrong. I don't care about your political beliefs and whether we are on the same side. Just be correct when you decide to put someone in their place.
 
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Every word in those 3 paragraphs is an untruth and will you please give the rape thing a rest . You act like all the millions of babies murdered have been the product of rape or incest. Deal with the real problem and encourage who are having unprotected sex with every Tom Dick and Harry that comes along to protect themselves if they are not making the men to wear condoms.
so would you agree to an amendment to the Kentucky anti-abortion statute that exempted victims of rape?
 
Lol they've went from its a clump of cells (which if you take the pill in the first like 8 weeks it is) to full on yeah I murder so what.

This is why the D party nembers are actually upset...they don't want to have to debate on a new bill why late term abortion is needed other than the abortion industry lobby's them to keep their business up

 
For someone that talks as much as you did on this post, you couldn't be more wrong. You have never studied Constitutional law. I will break it down for you.

First, Roe was not a law that was determined to be unconstitutional. Roe was a Supreme Court case where the court decided that a woman had a constitutional right to decide if she wanted to end a pregnancy, up to a certain point. The Court was clear that what "that point" was is debatable. You keep saying Roe was unconstitutional. Roe was not a statute. It was a Supreme Court opinion determining that a Texas statute was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court today said that the former Supreme Court was wrong, and although we said it was a constitutional right in 1973, we have now changed our minds (different justices mind you) and we don't think that it is a woman's right to end a pregnancy. ROE IS A SUPREME COURT DECISION AND IS NOT UNCONSTITUIONAL.

So where we are now is that each state can decide whether abortions, at any stage, given any conditions, are legal. Kentucky has already passed a law that says all abortions are illegal unless the mother needs it to save her own life. Rape, incest, none of that matters. If a 12 year old is raped by her uncle and becomes pregnant, it is a Class D FELONY for a doctor to perform an abortion on her.

For you to say "rights" weren't taken away is completely inaccurate. In the Roe decision, the United States Supreme Court decided that women have a constitutional RIGHT to have abortions (with certain state regulations concerning timing, etc.) The United States Supreme Court now says although we told you it was a "right", we have changed our minds and have now decided it is not a "right". So yesterday it was a right, today it is not, so it was taken away.

Anyone knowledgeable about Constitutional law should be concerned because once a partisan (either party) court starts taking away "rights" that have been determined in the past, no one knows where it ends and what other "rights" they will decide to take away.

Your comment about "if democrats would've just left alone the 13 week" issue it would have probably been left alone" is equally misplaced. The Court had before it a statute out of Mississippi that banned abortions after 15 weeks. Keep in mind, the Supreme Court is not supposed to be political. They decided a case today between 2 litigants, the State of Mississippi and Dobbs. The state of Mississippi said our law, banning abortions after 15 weeks is constitution, Dobbs said it wasn't. That is really all the Court should have decided, that 15 weeks was a reasonable restriction on abortion. Neither political party was involved (at least not in litigating the case.) There was no reason for the Court to overturn Roe v. Wade when it could have said, Mississippi you win, your statute is good. But instead, the Court went against traditional history and precedent and said we are going to go further and eliminate a right that we previously said that people have.

While I doubt many, if any, of you have read the opinion, including concurrences and dissents, I have. It is long. But the most concerning thing in any of this is Justice Thomas' concurrence. He says clearly in his separate opinion that the Court should overrule cases that give us all the right to contraception, gay marriage and sex with someone of the same sex. If you are OK with the Supreme Court saying that we don't have those rights, celebrate, because Justice Thomas actually said clearly that those rights should not exist as constitutional rights. He curiously left out Loving v. Virginia which guarantees the right to interracial marriage.

To conclude, I don't like people that don't what they are talking about "laying this out for me". You are wrong. I don't care about your political beliefs and whether we are on the same side. Just be correct when you decide to put someone in their place.
You didn't read the opinion well. They went to extreme lengths as did alito all the way back in the draft that this doesn't have anything to do with interracial, gay marriage, etc and all these fear mongering talking points

Here's the funny thing about the incompetence of one party in particular. Look how insane they behave when the Supreme Court grants them more authority. It's weird ppl keep skipping over the legislature when they keep talking about rights. Do ppl understand the difference in a Court and a legislature and what the role of each is?
 
so would you agree to an amendment to the Kentucky anti-abortion statute that exempted victims of rape?
Possibly if proven true, but all abortions must be illegal from time of conception. Question... should the father of the child have right in the say of the abortion? It is after all half his. If he wants the child to raise , should he have a say in the decision? I say yes.
 
You didn't read the opinion well. They went to extreme lengths as did alito all the way back in the draft that this doesn't have anything to do with interracial, gay marriage, etc and all these fear mongering talking points

Here's the funny thing about the incompetence of one party in particular. Look how insane they behave when the Supreme Court grants them more authority. It's weird ppl keep skipping over the legislature when they keep talking about rights. Do ppl understand the difference in a Court and a legislature and what the role of each is?
I promise you, I understand the separation of powers better than you do. I read the opinion well. Note that I said that I was concerned about Thomas' concurrence (not the majority opinion) about gay marriage, etc. (As I said, he curiously left out interracial marriage when he was saying what rights needed to be nixed.) I understand that now the state legislatures can completely ban abortions, as Kentucky already has. So if a child is raped and impregnated, she has to carry that child to term. If you agree with that, I disagree with you. Just don't tell me how to read Supreme Court cases when you obviously don't know how to.
 
Possibly if proven true, but all abortions must be illegal from time of conception. Question... should the father of the child have right in the say of the abortion? It is after all half his. If he wants the child to raise , should he have a say in the decision? I say yes.
Does he have to pay 1/2 of the expenses relating to the pregnancy and birth?
 
Possibly if proven true, but all abortions must be illegal from time of conception. Question... should the father of the child have right in the say of the abortion? It is after all half his. If he wants the child to raise , should he have a say in the decision? I say yes.
You actually raise the only conundrum of the debate for me. While I am pro choice for women, I don't think I'd advise anyone to ever have an abortion. Bear in mind that I'm 85 years old, so my time of impregnating women has passed. But, I get the point that if I made a woman pregnant, and she didn't want the kid, but I did, that creates an interesting debate. I think that debate should be had, potentially in court on a case by case basis. But a law like Kentucky's that just bans all abortions, even in the case of rape or incest, is wrong.
 
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I promise you, I understand the separation of powers better than you do. I read the opinion well. Note that I said that I was concerned about Thomas' concurrence (not the majority opinion) about gay marriage, etc. (As I said, he curiously left out interracial marriage when he was saying what rights needed to be nixed.) I understand that now the state legislatures can completely ban abortions, as Kentucky already has. So if a child is raped and impregnated, she has to carry that child to term. If you agree with that, I disagree with you. Just don't tell me how to read Supreme Court cases when you obviously don't know how to.
And their is nothing in the constitution protecting abortion as a right. Thank goodness we finally have justices that interpret and apply the law as it is written. They ultimately decided it was a state issue and took power away from the federal government.
 
The prevalence of rape and incest in Democrat worlds is truly astonishing. Rather than complaining about one of the most poorly reasoned decisions of all time being overturned, maybe you should start wondering why so many women are being raped by their uncles in your social circle.

In cases of rape and incest that are so prevalent in Democrat families, the vast majority of states are going to allow it.

As the father of a 7 week old, when he smiles at me, it’s hard to think there’s a vocal, influential minority that would have supported my wife if she wanted to kill him 8 weeks ago. When you see the 4D ultrasounds and know he looks like you and see him yawning, the thought of killing him at that point is barbaric.

I really do think we need to split as a country. Lefties who want late term abortions are as barbaric as the middle eastern countries who murder gay people, or China enslaving races of people in labor camps.

I’m ok with early term abortions. Certainly health of the mother cases. Plenty of states in the union are going to allow those. A few will allow late term, and the lefties can all move there and celebrate their barbaric rituals.
 
I think you are splitting hairs. Look, I lean left as you know....but I am not a Marxist. I didn't even use that term in general. I was generalizing the fact that some progressives seemed to think it ok to excuse Will Smith for his violence and kept saying...."Yeah he shouldn't have done it BUT......but.....but.....".
Those same people can't continually bash cops for sometimes losing their cool in the heat of battle with a violent criminal, make no exceptions for a racial or sexual slurs committed but then make all kinds of excuses for their favorite movie star when they walk up on a stage on national tv and slap the shit out of someone for an off color joke.
I hate hypocrisy and call it out whether on the left or right.
 
ESPN told me that the Supreme Court just struck down a constitutional right...they said it was a terrible day. I was just trying to check to see if my bet on the Dodgers won last night...

Pretty soon post game shows will be about political issues. The players and coaches will give their opinion on things like the constitution, the current state of America, abortion, LGBTQIPPA+++, and racial issues… assuming they do not think like Jack Del Rio.

You can place bets on which issue it’ll be that night. Odds are it’s the current thing.
 
Pretty soon post game shows will be about political issues. The players and coaches will give their opinion on things like the constitution, the current state of America, abortion, LGBTQIPPA+++, and racial issues… assuming they do not think like Jack Del Rio.

You can place bets on which issue it’ll be that night. Odds are it’s the current thing.

Yeah my original post said they are going interview mookie betts about killing babies...the liberal freak out in cities the next few days is going to be really crazy. Sometimes funny, but mostly just sad.
 
the liberal freak out in cities the next few days is going to be really crazy

The problem is a lot of ignorant people think abortion is banned across the country now. I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve seen that think this is the case.

Hell, we had a poster here thinking a miscarriage would result in a woman having to carry a dead fetus to term… ignorance and the internet are a detrimental combination to everyone.
 
Pregnancy is not a communicable illness. No comparison except I do support an individual's right to refuse the vaccine. Their body...their choice.
Abortion is no longer a choice in some states now. Women have lost all control over their bodies in Ky.
Not only will they be raped but they will be forced to have the rapists baby.
No comparison at all to COVID vaccines. Not one person has been forced to get a vaccine by law.
Sam I hate to tell you this but you're full of s***.
 
so would you agree to an amendment to the Kentucky anti-abortion statute that exempted victims of rape?
Call,email,text,visit your rep.

That's how that works.


If the rep doesn't see it your way, work with others to vote them out.

If you can't vote them out, maybe your views aren't as popular as you think.


You want a court to rewrite law instead of interpreting. You have relied on the liberal courts your entire life to do what you couldn't do at the ballot box.




I promise you, I understand the separation of powers better than you do.
Listen,Fat



Bear in mind that I'm 85 years old,
We also have an old contrarian who resides here, goes by the name of vh, you two should get together and go bowling.
 
I’m ok with early term abortions. Certainly health of the mother cases. Plenty of states in the union are going to allow those. A few will allow late term, and the lefties can all move there and celebrate their barbaric rituals.

Wait a minute…are you telling me that We the People of this Republic have a choice? That’s downright unconstitutional!

They aren’t marching and crying because Roe v Wade, they’re marching and crying because they hate this country and everything it stands for.
 
At the end of the day, I presume the Biden administration will use an end around like withholding Medicare and Medicaid from health care organizations that do not provide abortions. The people running the Biden administration have never been a group of people that let the Constitution stand in their way.
 
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