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Oklahoma State attempting to strongarm Gundy out of a job (attached his record for reference).

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I’m sure many of you have seen that Oklahoma State is trying to get Gundy to agree to a “restructured contract” after their bad season and they’re either still at a standoff, or depending on source, some smoke he’s been let go tonight. This is an interesting case because we hear from Stoops supporters that “it’s one bad season”. Even Vince himself said the same on KSR. However, stumbled on a tweet with Gundy’s full tenure detailed. Check out those 10 win seasons, the recent success, etc. They’re still trying to chop his head in spite of those things. The idea that Stoops should be approached with a reduced buyout offer isn’t unique or crazy at all.

 
He's a man, he's 40, he'll be ok.
this is 40 man GIF
 
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I’m sure many of you have seen that Oklahoma State is trying to get Gundy to agree to a “restructured contract” after their bad season and they’re either still at a standoff, or depending on source, some smoke he’s been let go tonight. This is an interesting case because we hear from Stoops supporters that “it’s one bad season”. Even Vince himself said the same on KSR. However, stumbled on a tweet with Gundy’s full tenure detailed. Check out those 10 win seasons, the recent success, etc. They’re still trying to chop his head in spite of those things. The idea that Stoops should be approached with a reduced buyout offer isn’t unique or crazy at all.

From Thamel, "There has been discussion about firing Gundy for cause if he doesn't agree to the new contract, sources said. It's unclear what Gundy might have done to potentially be fired for cause."

UK doesn't appear to have the leverage to fire Stoops for cause, so that's a big difference here.
 
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I’m sure many of you have seen that Oklahoma State is trying to get Gundy to agree to a “restructured contract” after their bad season and they’re either still at a standoff, or depending on source, some smoke he’s been let go tonight. This is an interesting case because we hear from Stoops supporters that “it’s one bad season”. Even Vince himself said the same on KSR. However, stumbled on a tweet with Gundy’s full tenure detailed. Check out those 10 win seasons, the recent success, etc. They’re still trying to chop his head in spite of those things. The idea that Stoops should be approached with a reduced buyout offer isn’t unique or crazy at all.

Wish UK would do that. Top 50 results equals top 50 pay.
 
From Thamel, "There has been discussion about firing Gundy for cause if he doesn't agree to the new contract, sources said. It's unclear what Gundy might have done to potentially be fired for cause."

UK doesn't appear to have the leverage to fire Stoops for cause, so that's a big difference here.

If the Stoops probation had come to light in the midst of this season rather than sooner, I wonder if perhaps the leverage discussion would look a little different.

I do wish these exorbitant contracts would include clauses that lay out very specifically what would constitute “for cause” on a win/loss basis. You want to make the big bucks with lengthy guarantees? That’s cool, but you’re going to guarantee us some minimum threshold of success in return.
 
For one it seems they are trying to fire him for cause for 2 id argue that considering he was in the championship last year this is stupid. Seems like him and the administration are at odds
 
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From Thamel, "There has been discussion about firing Gundy for cause if he doesn't agree to the new contract, sources said. It's unclear what Gundy might have done to potentially be fired for cause."

UK doesn't appear to have the leverage to fire Stoops for cause, so that's a big difference here.
This is horse manure. If they really have "cause" to fire him, then why negotiate a pay cut? Shouldn't it be imperative to fire him if they really have "cause"? They don't have "cause" to do jack shit. They're just trying to reduce a buyout.
 
They’d take an inevitable step back at first, but have the wealthiest booster ( Pickens ) known. I think a bit like UK , occasionally winning 10 is about maximum one can hope right now if everything goes right . OSU is now recruiting against the SEC ( Oklahoma and Texas) and it’s just not as hip a spot right now. Tough job and I can almost guarantee the next guy after Gundy will be fired within 4 yrs. Within a yr , if the new coach isn’t trending toward 9 wins by the third yr…which was about what was expected with Gundy …he’s out. Gundy gutted his staff , I’d see how that works if I’m OSU
 
How could not signing a new contract to supersede your old contract get you fired for cause?? The party that drafted the contract doesn’t like the contract anymore and doesn’t want to honor it?

I’d probably take my chances if I’m Gundy
 
Tough call , Gundy has had a ton more talent there, huge recruiting base with OK and TX where HS football is a religion ..has been favored to win the league many times, but somehow it usually falls apart . He gets all the cash for any NIL or anything he needs from T Boone Pickens , etc . Very stubborn and doesn’t like firing assistants
 
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This sport is an absolute dumpster fire. There's no patience cause of the portal/NIL.



Not sure if this is sarcasm.

His 2011 team deserved to be in the BCS Championship.

No they didn't. Alabama and LSU were clearly the best 2 teams.

I know you have this fascination with let the cupcakes have their chance and you get it with the 12 team playoff so there's that.
 
How could not signing a new contract to supersede your old contract get you fired for cause?? The party that drafted the contract doesn’t like the contract anymore and doesn’t want to honor it?

I’d probably take my chances if I’m Gundy
They’ll never get away with ‘with cause ‘ , but it puts on the onus on the coach to lawyer up …that usually leads to a settlement, instead of a 1-2 yr process. Why not try every firing ‘with cause ‘
 
If the Stoops probation had come to light in the midst of this season rather than sooner, I wonder if perhaps the leverage discussion would look a little different.

I do wish these exorbitant contracts would include clauses that lay out very specifically what would constitute “for cause” on a win/loss basis. You want to make the big bucks with lengthy guarantees? That’s cool, but you’re going to guarantee us some minimum threshold of success in return.
Never understood why poor coaching decisions, annually losing games you shouldn’t, constant on field mistakes, and poor leadership and team discipline are not considered “for cause”. If I continually made mistakes at my job, I’d be fired too. Performance on the field should be a factor. If it’s a performance based contract with incentives for numbers of wins, bowls, playoffs, etc. then falling below a threshold should come with some cuts in pay too.
 
‘For cause ‘ reasons are listed right on the contract, and never are about performance. It’s about NCAA rules , morals , behavior, a bit about what’s expected of the coach ‘outside the lines’ , etc
 
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Tough call , Gundy has had a ton more talent there, huge recruiting base with OK and TX where HS football is a religion ..has been favored to win the league many times, but somehow it usually falls apart . He gets all the cash for any NIL or anything he needs from T Boone Pickens , etc . Very stubborn and doesn’t like firing assistants
Pickens been dead for like 5 years.
 
From Thamel, "There has been discussion about firing Gundy for cause if he doesn't agree to the new contract, sources said. It's unclear what Gundy might have done to potentially be fired for cause."

UK doesn't appear to have the leverage to fire Stoops for cause, so that's a big difference here.
They probably don’t have a legitimate “cause”, either. But unlike our AD, they are willing to push it to the limit and then make him go to court. By the time it all shakes out they will be out of his contract and will end up paying less than the original buyout amount.


Plus, has anyone determined that the NCAA violations are not cause for termination in Stoops’ contract? Is there a time limit on when that can be the “cause”?
 
Tough call , Gundy has had a ton more talent there, huge recruiting base with OK and TX where HS football is a religion ..has been favored to win the league many times, but somehow it usually falls apart . He gets all the cash for any NIL or anything he needs from T Boone Pickens , etc . Very stubborn and doesn’t like firing assistants
Good points.
 
As I was reading this i said he's been dead for years, unless he had one of those crazy catalyst wills that donated his estate annually to OK. ST he isn't boosting anything.
What happens is you endow a lump sump …say $300+ million in your family name I believe I read…and let the athletic dept have the interest. Money stays with you or family , essentially, but OSU benefits . $350M invested conservatively ought to bring in the athletic dept about $1.5-$1.8 million per month . That’d buy a heck of an offense
 
I get Uk is in sec and has more money…but stoops is nearly double and longer contract…geez Mitch

Uk is 44M and thru 2031 I think



Also included in Oklahoma State's request to Gundy, according to sources, is a significant drop in his buyout, which is currently near $25 million. Gundy is under contract through 2028
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No they didn't. Alabama and LSU were clearly the best 2 teams.

I know you have this fascination with let the cupcakes have their chance and you get it with the 12 team playoff so there's that.
Clearly? Based on what? You give them two chances to beat the same team? A team who didn’t even win their own division or conference gets a second shot? That decision is what gave birth to the playoff because it was such blatant biased bullshit.
 
B12 is so wide open and easy now without Horns n Sooners, he could be competing for it and easily sniffing playoffs next year.

He had an off year but he’s basically built that program into being a perennial top 20ish program.

I’d take him in a heartbeat over most names folks are throwing around here to bump stoops.
 
Gundy …normally stubborn to hang on to staff ….has gutted everyone from it this offseason. See what he can do with new blood and new ideas is fair enough with his history there. That said , ‘25 is likely a ‘prove it ‘ yr for him
 
From Thamel, "There has been discussion about firing Gundy for cause if he doesn't agree to the new contract, sources said. It's unclear what Gundy might have done to potentially be fired for cause."

UK doesn't appear to have the leverage to fire Stoops for cause, so that's a big difference here.
So we’re either going to fire you for cause OR give you a new contract. LOL. I call BS on the “for cause” crap.
 
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